How long before HBO drops boxing from their network altogether?

So where is your thread about Showtime? Let me guess, since they are a PBC affiliate, they are killing it in the financial department and beyond scrutiny? I don't give a damn about Showtime either. It's just another bill off my current cable bill.

2014 HBO average = 978,000. 2015 HBO average = 915,000. I'm no math expert, but by my calculations, that's not an increase. 2014 SHO average = 636,000. 2015 SHO average = 576,000. Again, I'm no math expert, but that doesn't seem like down 50%. Networks don't pay fighters; promoters do. Haymon using his fund to pay fighters means Showtime probably has to pay less. 0-for-3 on accuracy, buddy. But why let facts get in the way of a post? I have no clue where you are getting those figures. But numerous reports state HBO had higher viewership in 2015 then the year prior. There is a link 2 posts before yours stating this. And Showtime's numbers took a nose dive after PBC launched. No clue what their avg was in 2014 but it's a fact the numbers are way down since march/april when PBC launched. Prior to that they got strong ratings because of Golden Boy promotions which are no longer dealing with Showtime. Losing Golden Boy and Haymon forming PBC has crippled Showtime. Again just look at the last cards Wilder 500k viewers a year ago well over 1mil. Jacobs vs Quillin only 300k despite paying both them guys 3mil, Broner only 500k. No matter how you slice it Showtimes drop in ratings is more alarming then anything we have seen from HBO. And what are you talking about Haymon don't pay his fighters purses when they on Showtime. Only time Haymon/PBC pays fighters purses is when it's a PBC event. Otherwise the promoter/manager comes up with the fight shops it to Showtime and Showtime pays for it.

The first HBO main event I ever watched was Pryor/Arguello I, now all I get are GGG/Kov mismatches and Manny PPV replays. How the mighty have fallen.

Please explain to me how HBO boxing (not PPV, HBO) generates revenues and turns a profit. Exactly where are those revenues coming from? HBO doesn't monetize boxing telecasts. From unique subscribers. If a boxing show gets 1mil views on average then you can make a guess based in marketing etc that maybe 40% of those viewers only have hbo for boxing. Now assume there's 2 viewers per household then you can say there's 200k subscribers that will not pay for hbo without boxing. Then you workout what they pay per year and that's your boxing profit. There's obviously a lot more to it but you can't just dump boxing and replace it with a series about elves and expect not to lose out, even if that new show has huge ratings because all those viewers are already paying for GOT etc.

Subscription tv doesn't work on ratings. It's about who subscribes for what content. People who get hbo for boxing aren't going to just keep it because they replace it with a new series and bringing in a new series isn't going bring in many new customers as most will already be subscribed for got etc. It's like saying maccas should stop selling apple pies and instead sell a different version of the Big Mac. It's a different market.

HBO Boxing saw increase in ratings last year. 2014 HBO average = 978,000. 2015 HBO average = 915,000. I'm no math expert, but by my calculations, that's not an increase. Showtime boxing is down 50% in ratings from just last year. 2014 SHO average = 636,000. 2015 SHO average = 576,000. Again, I'm no math expert, but that doesn't seem like down 50%. despite paying Haymon fighters more then HBO pays for their fights. Networks don't pay fighters; promoters do. Haymon using his fund to pay fighters means Showtime probably has to pay less. 0-for-3 on accuracy, buddy. But why let facts get in the way of a post?

I see some positive things if HBO drops boxing from their programming. I'm assuming fighters will all sign up with uncle Haymon. I would then wonder if Lara, for example, will still call out Golovkin knowing that his bluff can easily be called. Frankly, I'm sick of these twitter clowns calling out HBO fighters.

I would say within 5 years or so... Hbo is in boxing because when it first started boxing was huge with ali, leonard, etc.. But since boxing moved to premium channels, it has slowly lost casual fans, is no longer a mainstream sport. HBO first invested into boxing because it could build an audience in 70s n 80s.. Then PPv became a huge part of their business in late 80s to present.. But now, boxing has promoted itself so poorly, it literally has killed its ability to make PPv stars.. canelo is the only true PPv caliber draw left in boxing.. Once the PPv money dries up, hbo will bow out of boxing.. It's all about ROI

HBO Boxing budget in 2015 = LESS than $30 million. Why would HBO cancel boxing when it's boxing viewership was reporedly up 10% in 2015? HBO viewership increased 10% in 2015 from the year before, banking on champions like middleweight champions Saul “Canelo” Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin, light-heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev, junior-welterweight champion Terence Crawford and flyweight champion Roman “Chocolatito” Gonzalez http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-hbo-peter-nelson-pacquiao-golovkin-canelo-16-20151202-story.html

I voted for that because this poll is bullshtt don't take it so serious hehe got it :boxing:

Mayweather vs Pacquiao will hold them to boxing for a few years to come.

HBO is the home of boxing. They seem to consistently do good numbers, consistently turn a profit. Boxing in general seems to me to be a front for laundering some dirty cash though. Consider Bradley vs Rios or Kovalev vs Pascal. How the hell can ratings of about 1.4 million max justify the combined purses? It's insane. The same goes for PBCa except way worse. How can ratings of 2.4 million justify the purses of Garcia and Guerrero combined? There's got to be some dodgy stuff going on. Anyway just my 2 cents. Please explain to me how HBO boxing (not PPV, HBO) generates revenues and turns a profit. Exactly where are those revenues coming from? HBO doesn't monetize boxing telecasts.

Anything about Showtime?

U have to be a dummy to think HBO boxing will disapear within a year lol. Now we got to deal with network groupies :poke: Cant believe this sh*t. lol Even saw a dummy vote within a couple of months lol. Hbo boxing aint going nowhere... :boxing: I voted for that because this poll is bullshtt don't take it so serious

Im I the only one that doesnt want any type of boxing network to fail? I hate my monthly cable bill because I pay for Showtime and HBO "but" theres something about boxing on premium cable that you just cant get from free broadcasting so even though I hate my cable bill, as a boxing fan I hope HBO and showtime still do their thing along with PBC for free... No, you aren't the only one. You're just outnumbered by a pathetic group on both sides.

You're right, maybe GGG-Canelo and Kovalev-Ward don't happen this year, but Canelo hasn't ducked anyone (and obviously you think he's going to blow out Khan) so do you really think Canelo is going to be able to go back home to the world's most knowledgeable, boxing-crazed fanbase -- the Mexican and Mexican-American fans -- and say, "I dropped my title rather than face GGG"? I just really believe based on the evidence we've already seen from Canelo that he will not vacate and I think it would dramatically damage his brand. Also, Ward can't draw gate or ratings and HBO is getting tired of overpaying for garbage fights for him with no clear path in mind of where the hell his career is going. Despite his P4P credentials, he has no other money fights besides Kovalev. Similarly, Kovalev has no other big fight besides Stevenson which looks unlikely. Economics will force that one to happen IMO. However, despite these surrounding facts & circumstances that I think makes both of those fights likely, in the abstract sense, you're right, I shouldn't excuse Kovalev-Pascal II or GGG-Wade (although that is a mando) on the theory that the good fights we all really want are just around the corner. But I kind of did, didn't I, in my last post. I think a lot of other people do as well, consciously or not. And you'll often hear the Haymon cheerleaders get up in arms about double-standards but something just dawned on me: This shows you how dumb it is to have a "no speaking to the media" policy. If you give starving people a pile of sh*t but you promise that if they eat it, you'll feed them real food, you'll probably get the poor bastards to eat sh*t. And then you might come up with a good excuse as to why you weren't able to deliver the food after they ate the first bowl of sh*t, and you actually get them to eat another bowl before you finally feed them actual food. And when they finally get the food they're so happy they can forget about the sh*t they had to go through to get it. Haymon just serves the very same starving people regular helpings of free sh*t, but without saying anything at all. The people say, "Jesus Al can't you see I'm starving, what good is a bowl of sh*t going to do me?" Al just stares back blankly and says nothing. There's no empathy with their plight. Unlike rival promoters, or HBO, Haymon's bowl of sh*t doesn't come with a promise that good eats are coming soon if they'll just promise to eat a bowl of sh*t or two. And so the people just sit around and say, "Why does this mysterious stranger -- seemingly aware of my hunger -- keep giving me bowls of sh*t? ... and when is this sh*t EVER going to end? Then when Al finally throws them some food it's too late -- the people have already grown to hate him and they're thinking, "Well Jesus, he ignored us for God knows how long -- I mean, after all this sh*t, it's about time ... I'm not suggesting anything, just pointing out ODH and duva both keep saying "2016 or 2017". we can't just ignore that. Maybe its delayed because of budgetary reasons. I'm just asking if these fights are satisfying to fans and it appears they are not.

Im I the only one that doesnt want any type of boxing network to fail? I hate my monthly cable bill because I pay for Showtime and HBO "but" theres something about boxing on premium cable that you just cant get from free broadcasting so even though I hate my cable bill, as a boxing fan I hope HBO and showtime still do their thing along with PBC for free... I agree completely. Too many shills and their ****ty agenda:boxing:

It all depends on how much of their viewership they deem is derived from the boxing program. I straight up cancelled showtime when their boxing programming went to sh*t. Golovkin-Lemieux on PPV? GTFO. If they continue trending this way, I will cancel and just watch GoT through some other channel.

Am I the only one that doesnt want any type of boxing network to fail? I hate my monthly cable bill because I pay for Showtime and HBO "but" theres something about boxing on premium cable that you just cant get from free broadcasting so even though I hate my cable bill, as a boxing fan I hope HBO and showtime still do their thing along with PBC for free...

Klit/Fury 2 is a good fight. Canelo/Khan at 155 is not a good fight. Both should be fighting someone else. Added to that, Khan is coming off struggling against Algieiri. You are entitled to liek it but Notice how much NSB has collectively shat on the fight. Most on NSB agree Crawford should be fighting a higher caliber opponent than Lundy in his next fight. Manny/bradley 3 is not a good fight. we 've seen it twice. no need for a rematch. The kov and GGG fights are utter sh-t. Just say it. You have no idea if Ward/kov or GGG/canelo is next, especially the way ODH and Duva are talking. Don't use possible fights to justify these. That just reinforces how sh-tty they are. Chocalito isn't fighting Estrada or ruemerong (spelling may be off) the 2 fights people most want to see. I never asked what Kind of year we were shaping up to have. That is a deflective answer. You seem not satisfied but unwilling to criticize, which seems really wierd. if its bad, just say so. You're right, maybe GGG-Canelo and Kovalev-Ward don't happen this year, but Canelo hasn't ducked anyone (and obviously you think he's going to blow out Khan) so do you really think Canelo is going to be able to go back home to the world's most knowledgeable, boxing-crazed fanbase -- the Mexican and Mexican-American fans -- and say, "I dropped my title rather than face GGG"? I just really believe based on the evidence we've already seen from Canelo that he will not vacate and I think it would dramatically damage his brand. Also, Ward can't draw gate or ratings and HBO is getting tired of overpaying for garbage fights for him with no clear path in mind of where the hell his career is going. Despite his P4P credentials, he has no other money fights besides Kovalev. Similarly, Kovalev has no other big fight besides Stevenson which looks unlikely. Economics will force that one to happen IMO. However, despite these surrounding facts & circumstances that I think makes both of those fights likely, in the abstract sense, you're right, I shouldn't excuse Kovalev-Pascal II or GGG-Wade (although that is a mando) on the theory that the good fights we all really want are just around the corner. But I kind of did, didn't I, in my last post. I think a lot of other people do as well, consciously or not. And you'll often hear the Haymon cheerleaders get up in arms about double-standards but something just dawned on me: This shows you how dumb it is to have a "no speaking to the media" policy. If you give starving people a pile of sh*t but you promise that if they eat it, you'll feed them real food, you'll probably get the poor bastards to eat sh*t. And then you might come up with a good excuse as to why you weren't able to deliver the food after they ate the first bowl of sh*t, and you actually get them to eat another bowl before you finally feed them actual food. And when they finally get the food they're so happy they can forget about the sh*t they had to go through to get it. Haymon just serves the very same starving people regular helpings of free sh*t, but without saying anything at all. The people say, "Jesus Al can't you see I'm starving, what good is a bowl of sh*t going to do me?" Al just stares back blankly and says nothing. There's no empathy with their plight. Unlike rival promoters, or HBO, Haymon's bowl of sh*t doesn't come with a promise that good eats are coming soon if they'll just promise to eat a bowl of sh*t or two. And so the people just sit around and say, "Why does this mysterious stranger -- seemingly aware of my hunger -- keep giving me bowls of sh*t? ... and when is this sh*t EVER going to end? Then when Al finally throws them some food it's too late -- the people have already grown to hate him and they're thinking, "Well Jesus, he ignored us for God knows how long -- I mean, after all this sh*t, it's about time ...