Stevenson be clamin' HBO refused 50/50

no1 gives a fk about stevenson

Huh so I guess Haymon doesn't wanna make inroads with HBO, OK, and puts his clients interests behind his loyalties. Loyal guy that he is. But PBC is on all the networks so this loyalty must go off and on lol clients interests give me a break his clients make more money

Mega - Very easy to call me an idiot, much tougher to prove it. But if you ever want to compare intellectual credentials, let me know. PBC is the name of a television show on CBS, FOX and NBC, just as "World Championship Boxing" is the name of a television show on HBO. The poster claimed HBO is boxing's biggest platform and that is 100% false. HBO's boxing audience is dwarved by CBS, FOX and NBC. HBO is now the fourth biggest boxing platform in the United States. You say Stevenson's ratings weren't successful, but twice as many people watched him as watched Kovalev. So what is the bigger platform? The network that gets you nearly 2 million viewers or the network that gets you 1 million viewers? Do the math. Interesting that you want me to go away. It's human nature in the face of factual information contrary to your previously held beliefs to want to avoid the messenger. Haymon is Stevenson's manager. Viacom is Stevenson's television partner. Were you under the impression that if a fighter has a manger that they can't also have a television partner? Would you like me to make you an itemized list of all of the false information you managed to cram into one paragraph? Again, PBC is the platform in which haymon is shopping amongst different service providers. But the Networks are not the platforms in the case of PBC. That's why there's no PBC on showtime as showtime provides their own platform "showtime championship boxing" amongst others. HBO provides its own platforms as well, BAD and HBO championship boxing. If your argument was that PBC was the bigger platform then I wouldn't have chimed in. Did any one network do more boxing numbers throughout 2015 than HBO? I didn't check, but I doubt it. PBC probably did, but again I'm speculating. I would think that you should at least know what your arguing about if your as smart as you say Also, PBC fighters (including Stevenson) only contractual obligation are to haymon at this point. No one network. Unless you could provide me proof to the contrary, your just blowing hot air. Why would any haymon PBC fighter be contracted to a network when he's still shopping it around? That would be dumb, don't you think? in the end Haymon will get the exclusive network contract for his PBC platform. Get it

Nearly two million watched Stevenson on CBS *in the afternoon.* On what basis are those "poor numbers?" And you continue to refuse to explain how HBO is "boxing's biggest platform" when boxing on NBC, CBS and FOX completely blow away the number of viewers on HBO. Those were your words. Boxing's biggest platform. How can a channel with so few viewers be a bigger platform than networks with millions more boxing viewers? Hahaha, try to explain that one away . . . You're an idiot. PBC is the platform, not CBS, they're the provider under haymons PBC platforml. Although I don't want PBC to fail there's no question they've only had a few "successful" shows in terms of ratings (Stevenson isn't one of them) and they are losing money at this point. There's no doubt about it that HBO is the biggest platform in boxing at this point. More people watched a rerun of "saved by the bell" than the Stevenson fight during that time slot. Stevensons contract is with haymon not Viacom, stop lying. Go away.

If you have such a great command of the language, why did you have no idea what "biggest platform" meant? You believed "biggest platform" meant a channel most people don't get that is in FOURTH PLACE in terms of boxing viewership. That's the "biggest platform?" Now you admit that MILLIONS watch PBC, yet claim "nobody gives a ____" about PBC. If 3.5 million watched Danny Garcia and 1 million watched Tim Bradley, and nobody gives a hoot about PBC, what does that say about HBO? That must mean that HBO is virtually irrelevant. HBO is a premium network available to a fraction of the viewers compared to CBS. Premium = monthly subscription fees. Jeeze, slow on the uptake. Was ME on NBC the biggest platform in boxing cause they did 4m+ on NBC (for a fraction of the pbc cost)? No, to have a platform you have to have a sustainable model, not some fly by night !money drain ala pbc

You didn't answer the question. Is English your first language? HBO is nowhere near boxing's biggest platform. And while it may be the most prestigious in the eyes of internet nerds, to the millions watching PBC that don't watch HBO, HBO is irrelevant. Well I have better command of English than you, so which way you wanna guess? To the millions watching Pbc on TV, pbc is irrelevant dummy. Nobody gives a sh1t about the pbc starlets. Nobody ouside these forums is gonna bat an eyelash when it folds.

Hero Bando - *NONE OF THOSE THINGS MAKE HBO THE BIGGEST PLATFORM.* Biggest platform = biggest audience. Is English your first language? HBO is boxing's fourth biggest platform. How about the biggest sustainable platform? Or most prestigious? Or best money? Or anything you wanna call #1

Nearly two million watched Stevenson on CBS *in the afternoon.* On what basis are those "poor numbers?" And you continue to refuse to explain how HBO is "boxing's biggest platform" when boxing on NBC, CBS and FOX completely blow away the number of viewers on HBO. Those were your words. Boxing's biggest platform. How can a channel with so few viewers be a bigger platform than networks with millions more boxing viewers? Hahaha, try to explain that one away . . . It's the biggest platform in terms of prestige, credibility etc. It's got the longevity, 9/10 p4pers, all of the Ppv stars, only network shown capable of making a ppv star. Helps their position that premium cable B side rival Sho is in the dumps, and this PBC thing is unlikely to last much longer

Move over Chickenson... BrometheusSOG already has a vaguely worded agreement to fight Kovalev in Q4 2016. I've spent way too much time perfecting my 'accidental' headbutts in the gym for you to come in the way of things now.

Raonic - Every single thing I said was true. You can't point out a single thing I said that isn't true, so instead you attack a position I never took. Nice try, but this ain't my first rodeo. First of all, you have *NO IDEA* what Stevenson's contractual obligations. Second of all, we know that Kovalev's HBO contract expired last year and instead of fighting Stevenson, he signed another exclusive contract with HBO. Stevenson fights exclusively for Viacom. There is no disputing that. All of his fights have been for Viacom since leaving HBO. You say he should stab Viacom in the back for one fight on HBO, but why didn't Kovalev just take one fight with Viacom last year when his contract expired? I'll wait . . . Bando - Nice try. You mention every network except for CBS. How convenient. Twice as many people watched Stevenson's fight than watched Kovalev's fight. You claimed HBO is boxing's biggest platform but you were 100% wrong. HBO is boxing's FOURTH biggest platform. NBC, CBS and FOX are all bigger platforms. Nobody forced you to post false information. Stevenson left HBO for Viacom and more people than ever watched him fight because CBS is a bigger platform than HBO. You can label that a failure if you want, but it makes you look like a fool. OK so he did poor numbers on Sho, the poor numbers on CBS, finally poor numbers on Spike. With laughable attendance for Canada's only champ in lucrative Quebec, where washed up non champs Pascal and Bute are better draw

Bando - You complain about comparing numbers from networks in a different amount of homes, but then immediately compare numbers from networks in a different amount of homes. Meanwhile, you claim HBO is boxing's biggest platform while simultaneously complaining that the comparison is unfair because it's a smaller platform. So which is it? Emre Belozoglu - All of the numbers I listed are easily verifiable. All I did was google the names of the fighters and the names of the networks to find news articles listing the ratings for the events in question. The vast majority of the readers of this site automatically buy into whatever propaganda HBO is pushing. There are two sides to every story, but since HBO knows the other side (Al Haymon) doesn't speak publicly, it allows HBO to twist the truth as much as they desire because they know nobody is going to expose their lies. If an unbiased person looks at the cold hard facts, they will see that HBO is tricking the fans into not realizing that HBO is the one blocking all of these fights. HBO had the contractual right to match any offer Stevenson received. HBO declined to match Viacom's offer. HBO could have easily made Stevenson-Kovalev, but they refused. After Stevenson signed with Viacom, Kovalev's HBO deal expired. Kovalev could have fought Stevenson, but instead signed another HBO contract. Kovalev was Stevenson's mandatory, meaning the fight goes to purse bid and ends up on whatever network pays the most. Stevenson agreed to the fight. Kovalev backed out. But since the hardcore fans have trusted HBO for decades, they believe whatever narrative HBO is pushing, whether that narrative is based in reality or not. That is why so many people here react so emotionally. It's like telling them that Santa Claus isn't real. They've trusted HBO their entire life to be the guiding light in the sport of boxing, the trusted voice in the sport of boxing and the platform where the biggest fights take place. So when you explain to them that HBO is full of it and show them the cold hard numbers that prove that HBO is now the 2nd rate boxing brand, they react the way somebody reacts when you insult their religion. Showtime has 71% of HBO subscribers. He lost 50% of the viewers in his first SHO outing, and 75% in his next. Spike is available to 3x the HBO viewers. He did half his HBO numbers there. Resounding failure

Stevenson is a VIACOM fighter (which owns all of the networks Stevenson has been fighting on, like Showtime, CBS and Spike). VIACOM is the company willing to pay the most for the fight. Why should the fight automatically go to HBO when HBO isn't offering as much as VIACOM? Except that's not close to being true. Stevenson has NO CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS with any network. He's free hopping to wherever Haymon makes him fight. Haymon is forcing ST into the issue when they don't need to be because he's still mad that HBO cut his fighters out. When you find me proof that Stevenson is obligated to fight on "VIACOM", get back to me.

This has nothing to do with HBO or Showtime and everything to do with AC not wanting it... Can you elaborate?

This has nothing to do with HBO or Showtime and everything to do with AC not wanting it...

The facts don't support your premise. Kovalev is not a slave. He chooses to fight exclusively for HBO because of the considerations he is given. Stevenson chooses to fight exclusively for Viacom (Showtime, CBS and Spike are all owned by Viacom) because of the considerations he is given. You have no idea what Stevenson's contractual status is because Al Haymon has more important things to do than run his mouth to the internet all day like Duva. So you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, but the facts don't support your position. HBO is *NOT* the biggest platform for boxing. Tim Bradley's welterweight title fight peaked at 1 million viewers. Danny Garcia's welterweight title fight peaked at 3.5 million viewers. PBC is not only the biggest platform for boxing, but it's not even close. However, you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, so your positions have no basis in reality. You then claim Stevenson's numbers have dropped since leaving HBO. Since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, I understand why you believe that. However, you are 100% incorrect and Stevenson's numbers have INCREASED since leaving HBO. His last HBO fight peaked a 1.3 million viewers during the desirable evening time slot. His fight on CBS, aired in the AFTERNOON peaked at 1.85 million viewers. Kovalev on HBO peaked at 1 million. So nearly twice as many people watched Stevenson. But since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, you believe 1 million viewers is a bigger platform than 1.85 million viewers and you believe 1.85 million viewers is a drop from 1.3 million viewers. The reason Haymon doesn't speak is because ultimately all of this is pointless. A bunch of idiots on a boxing site being tricked by HBO is ultimately irrelevant. So you guys can whine and moan all you want while millions of new fans discover the sport thanks to PBC. HBO can block fight after fight and a few nerds on a website will blame Haymon because they believe the HBO propaganda they are spoon fed, but the cold hard facts show the truth. Where do you get them numbers from

The facts don't support your premise. Kovalev is not a slave. He chooses to fight exclusively for HBO because of the considerations he is given. Stevenson chooses to fight exclusively for Viacom (Showtime, CBS and Spike are all owned by Viacom) because of the considerations he is given. You have no idea what Stevenson's contractual status is because Al Haymon has more important things to do than run his mouth to the internet all day like Duva. So you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, but the facts don't support your position. HBO is *NOT* the biggest platform for boxing. Tim Bradley's welterweight title fight peaked at 1 million viewers. Danny Garcia's welterweight title fight peaked at 3.5 million viewers. PBC is not only the biggest platform for boxing, but it's not even close. However, you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, so your positions have no basis in reality. You then claim Stevenson's numbers have dropped since leaving HBO. Since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, I understand why you believe that. However, you are 100% incorrect and Stevenson's numbers have INCREASED since leaving HBO. His last HBO fight peaked a 1.3 million viewers during the desirable evening time slot. His fight on CBS, aired in the AFTERNOON peaked at 1.85 million viewers. Kovalev on HBO peaked at 1 million. So nearly twice as many people watched Stevenson. But since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, you believe 1 million viewers is a bigger platform than 1.85 million viewers and you believe 1.85 million viewers is a drop from 1.3 million viewers. The reason Haymon doesn't speak is because ultimately all of this is pointless. A bunch of idiots on a boxing site being tricked by HBO is ultimately irrelevant. So you guys can whine and moan all you want while millions of new fans discover the sport thanks to PBC. HBO can block fight after fight and a few nerds on a website will blame Haymon because they believe the HBO propaganda they are spoon fed, but the cold hard facts show the truth. There you go again, comparing premium cable ratings with CBS. Clueless. His first fight off HBO had a 50% lower rating than Bellew, next one was another 50% drop. So from 1.3m to 300k in 2 fights. Last one on basic cable with another pathetic rating. Cut it out, shill

50/50 seems very fair. Why does the fight have to be on HBO ppv, though? Why can't it be a joint production? From what I understand that's the only thing holding up the fight. It's been explained many times. Cause only Kov has an exclusive network deal, with HBO. Also, its the biggest platform for boxing, see Stevenson huge drop in numbers since leaving HBO.

50/50 seems very fair. Why does the fight have to be on HBO ppv, though? Why can't it be a joint production? From what I understand that's the only thing holding up the fight.

Both sides? Does it make sense to you to do a PPV split for this fight? Why would Duva agree to this? Or HBO? And on a PPV why would they agree to a 50/50 split? Since the 2014 fallout Kovalev has gained steam, has had several high profile fights and risen on the P4P list. Many including ring magazine rank him as number 2. Stevenson on the other hand has become a joke and his ratings have dropped significantly. Should Kovalev and his team just accept these ridiculous terms cause Stevenson has Haymon? Yes. No, but it might be the only way the fight gets made in the current climate. DUva may have to because had she not pulled out of the purse bid by asking not to be mando anymore, Haymon's side likely wins and the fight has to be a joint PPV anyway. Yes he has. He also fought Mohammedi and Pascal rematch, garbage of the highest order. Stevenson has fought some bums but also beat Fonfara, who is ranked # 2 behind Kov as the contender to the LHW belt. I am not saying take whatever offer is made. I am saying that the ban, led to the Stevenson signing, led to the mando request, led to pulling out of the purse bid, led to asking for split ppv. Until either Haymon is back on HBO or Kov doesn't go back to HBO, I don't see how the fight gets made.

They weren't trusting-they were cutting their budget and couldn't commit to signing the fight that much in advance. You left out Duva pulling out of the purse bid by asking not to be the mando. Stevenson has an over inflated sense of self worth-no question. That said, both sides have contributed to this fight not being done. Both sides? Does it make sense to you to do a PPV split for this fight? Why would Duva agree to this? Or HBO? And on a PPV why would they agree to a 50/50 split? Since the 2014 fallout Kovalev has gained steam, has had several high profile fights and risen on the P4P list. Many including ring magazine rank him as number 2. Stevenson on the other hand has become a joke and his ratings have dropped significantly. Should Kovalev and his team just accept these ridiculous terms cause Stevenson has Haymon?