What is more valuable in a clean street fight: good wrestling or good boxing?(pick 1)

People in this thread seem to be confused. The question isn't ''Who would win in a street fight between a boxer and Wrestler," the question is "What is more valuable in a clean street fight: good wrestling or good boxing?" The average person is not a boxer or wrestler, so it would come down to applying the skills against a bum. A boxer is not going to find it difficult knocking out your run of the mill scrub and a wrestler wouldn't find it difficult grounding your run of the mill scrub. However taking someone to the ground leaves you open to outsiders where as knocking someone out leaves you more poised to deal with an interfering friend (it's also more intimidating). Oh, and size is also a factor. Someone who weighs about 130lb would have a better chance of striking a larger opponent than trying to wrestle him to the ground.

Too many variables that are not taken into consideration. Read the book of the five rings by Miyamoto Musashi.

Ok guys with an equal skill set..I still think grappling/wresting has the edge. Look at what happened to James Toney. And yes the same could be said for Tim Silva -vs Mercer but Tim Silva was a striker not a grappler/wrestler like Couture. If you have a level playing field..Boxing just isnt versatile enough. If someone faints, and shoot low, say an ankle pic, the boxer has no defense againts something like that. Mind you I am a fan of boxing and boxing in my opinion require more discipline, its hard as hell to dodge a punch, that alone is a thing of beauty. But when you get tied up..your done if you dont know how to grapple or wrestle.

Boxing is the best pure KOMBAT SPORT for a reason! All fights start standing up. Boxers with one punch can put a man's lights out and a boxer is a master of all three ranges, outside , inside and midrange. A wrestler must get on the inside and take the fight to the ground and keep it there the whole time. If you know MMA you know "sprawling" is a very easy technique to learn, a technique used to keep wrestlers off of you and keep the fight standing. In a street fight the power increases tremendously barenuckle , and "sweet spots" become more susceptible to a knockout blow. That's why when you see street fights from around the world , the fight starts standing and the guy who is using the best Boxing Techniques wins the fight by KO , TKO or the lesser boxer or the guy with no boxing technique takes the loss when he quits. 1 vs. 1 : in a street fight if a boxer is in the fight it more times then not ends with a clear winner in spectacular fashion , especially two boxers fighting . 1 vs. 1 : two wrestlers fight in a street fight you usually get two tired guys with no damage ,both trying to get a take down or defend one with it being unclear who won in the end. FIGHT FACTS BROUGHT TO YOU BY : KING$ofBOXING a.k.a REYESdelBOXEO

Every fight I have seen and been in ends up in some type of wrestling/grappliing. All it takes is 1 missed punch the guy ducks and bam your tied up. The only times I see punches been thrown and no one gets tied up is when the other guy isnt fighting back and is just there getting the snot beat out of him. I've never really seen that outside of drunks who can barely stand as it is. Most Street fights tend to be over within the first shot/matter of seconds.

Its like because people see MMA (a controlled sport, nothing like Street fighting but for some odd reason people claim it is) they assume wrestling is effective in Street fights when its hardly ever used or applied if at all ever. I'd argue judo is far more effective than wrestling in Street fighting and just about any other martial art outside of Aikido. Again how many times do we see wrestling applied in Street fights? In the millions of fights online you'd probably be lucky to find a mere handful and all they will be is two young, teens goofing around in a backyard thinking they're tough because they have had one hour training in MMA combined. It just doesn't happen and if it did you're going to be risking not only putting yourself in severe risk of injury with the concrete but you'll also be risking putting yourself in serious danger. You take someone down and hold them there or grapple with them the chances are they'll sink their teeth into you.

Good f*cking.

Boxing, every fight starts standing and how many Street fights have you ever seen where wrestling has been a factor? Seriously? Only time I've ever seen wrestling a factor is when two fat, drunken slobs have grabbed a hold of each other and one has lost balance. Every fight I have seen and been in ends up in some type of wrestling/grappliing. All it takes is 1 missed punch the guy ducks and bam your tied up. The only times I see punches been thrown and no one gets tied up is when the other guy isnt fighting back and is just there getting the snot beat out of him.

Boxing, every fight starts standing and how many Street fights have you ever seen where wrestling has been a factor? Seriously? Only time I've ever seen wrestling a factor is when two fat, drunken slobs have grabbed a hold of each other and one has lost balance.

In any case if you have 2 fighters of equal skill in there respective arts, 1 boxing and the other wrestling or grappling. The wrestler/grappler will always have the edge in a street fight or a MMA fight. Not counting out the boxer, but its harder to KO someone when they know they are in a fight and they are expecting you to throw a punch. Usually the punches you get KO'ed with are the ones you dont see. Now with that said its easier to keep your hands up cut the distance and grab someone than it is to stay on the outside pop shotting all night and not getting tied up at some point. And when you get tied up..there wont be a referee breaking it up.

The most hilarious fight I ever saw was between bench scrubs from the UWM and Marquette men's basketball teams. It looked every bit as awkward as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in that Bruce Lee movie. The bouncers couldn't even do sh*t to break it up. It took the entire male staff and random UWM/Marquette students who knew the kids to restore order.

It's best to not get in fights in the first place.

Yep, absolutely. That, and the fact that 95% of 'street fights' start out with one or both guys pushing the other and swearing. You can go for the hail mary punch and hope you land it clean and KO the guy, or you can take the initiative and take him down and you've got full complete control from there on. If you don't land the good punch, you end up trading, or wrestling because it's more likely in that instance that the person is simply going to grab you rather than engage in a stand up war. Again, we come back to wrestling. Street fights nearly always start or end up with some form of wrestling. Ask any bouncer and they'll all say the same thing. Most street fights start with pushing and swearing at each other, then it either goes straight into a wrestling, scrappy, shirt grabbing fight or a brief punch on ensues with one or two mostly wild punches being thrown, most often with both guys half grabbing the other guy with their free hand anyway and the guy that is losing or can't punch will grab and wrestle, and it becomes a scrappy, flaily, wrestling, shirt grabbing/swinging match with some vague punches being thrown here and there. It nearly always comes back to good wrestling gives you the best control in by far the most situations. Along with the "just step back and KHTFO on the way in" I think this is probably the biggest misnomer. For a boxer to punch you, he has to be in close enough that you can also grab him. I've often seen people talk as if the boxer can land his shots as long as he stays out of range of the guy trying to grab him. That just means he can't land any punches either though. If you are close enough to punch, you are also close enough to grab. Second, it's nearly impossible to land an uppercut hard enough to do damage on someone with training that's shooting in on you. Shooting in on someone puts your head at waist level and to land a good uppercut on someone that low is nearly impossible. Uppercuts don't work nearly as well, if at all, as people would imagine they do in that situation. Simple punch down to the back of the head is the much better option though it really hurts your hand and could easily break it, or try hard to keep your balance when they first grab you (spread your legs and scoot your hips back) and throw elbows to the back of the head/neck area hard and fast. You're assuming some level of proficiency in shooting though. If you're that proficient of a wrestler/boxer/martial artist you're probably a real headcase to be fighting randoms.

Yep, absolutely. That, and the fact that 95% of 'street fights' start out with one or both guys pushing the other and swearing. You can go for the hail mary punch and hope you land it clean and KO the guy, or you can take the initiative and take him down and you've got full complete control from there on. If you don't land the good punch, you end up trading, or wrestling because it's more likely in that instance that the person is simply going to grab you rather than engage in a stand up war. Again, we come back to wrestling. Street fights nearly always start or end up with some form of wrestling. Ask any bouncer and they'll all say the same thing. Most street fights start with pushing and swearing at each other, then it either goes straight into a wrestling, scrappy, shirt grabbing fight or a brief punch on ensues with one or two mostly wild punches being thrown, most often with both guys half grabbing the other guy with their free hand anyway and the guy that is losing or can't punch will grab and wrestle, and it becomes a scrappy, flaily, wrestling, shirt grabbing/swinging match with some vague punches being thrown here and there. It nearly always comes back to good wrestling gives you the best control in by far the most situations. Along with the "just step back and KHTFO on the way in" I think this is probably the biggest misnomer. For a boxer to punch you, he has to be in close enough that you can also grab him. I've often seen people talk as if the boxer can land his shots as long as he stays out of range of the guy trying to grab him. That just means he can't land any punches either though. If you are close enough to punch, you are also close enough to grab. Second, it's nearly impossible to land an uppercut hard enough to do damage on someone with training that's shooting in on you. Shooting in on someone puts your head at waist level and to land a good uppercut on someone that low is nearly impossible. Uppercuts don't work nearly as well, if at all, as people would imagine they do in that situation. Simple punch down to the back of the head is the much better option though it really hurts your hand and could easily break it, or try hard to keep your balance when they first grab you (spread your legs and scoot your hips back) and throw elbows to the back of the head/neck area hard and fast. ****....You're trying to kill somebody.....:frown:

Every time this thread comes up I always say the same thing. I bartended for several years in my early 20s. I used to see multiple brawls a week (sometimes even multiple in a night). From my personal observation whoever lands the first decent punch usually wins about 75% of the time. Similarly, going for a takedown only had like a 30-40% success rate. In UFC these guys are feinting to set up takedowns and have state/national champion wrestling backgrounds. In a street fight, you usually have some drunk ex-high school wrestler that just bullrushes his opponent. If other drunk guy successfully sprawls, the wrestler is in a real bad spot to get elbowed/punched/fishhooked/all types of nasty stuff.

wrestling is more useful for real life combat knowing how to take someone to the ground and remain on top of them is the most basic human combat skill i can think of, its how you control them, its how everything from dogs to chimps establish dominance but when's the last time you actually saw a to-the-death barehanded streetfight? most street fights are drunks or teenagers circling each other and they call if off as soon as one gets hurt so i guess knowing basic boxing would make you a god wrestling would be seen as "cheating" Yep, absolutely. That, and the fact that 95% of 'street fights' start out with one or both guys pushing the other and swearing. You can go for the hail mary punch and hope you land it clean and KO the guy, or you can take the initiative and take him down and you've got full complete control from there on. If you don't land the good punch, you end up trading, or wrestling because it's more likely in that instance that the person is simply going to grab you rather than engage in a stand up war. Again, we come back to wrestling. Street fights nearly always start or end up with some form of wrestling. Ask any bouncer and they'll all say the same thing. Most street fights start with pushing and swearing at each other, then it either goes straight into a wrestling, scrappy, shirt grabbing fight or a brief punch on ensues with one or two mostly wild punches being thrown, most often with both guys half grabbing the other guy with their free hand anyway and the guy that is losing or can't punch will grab and wrestle, and it becomes a scrappy, flaily, wrestling, shirt grabbing/swinging match with some vague punches being thrown here and there. It nearly always comes back to good wrestling gives you the best control in by far the most situations. If a wrestler can actually be successful and get their hands on a boxer then it's very possible that a wrestler can beat a Boxer, now that wrestler would have to be very fast and close at shooting on the Boxer that way his wrestling isn't compromised and give the Boxer an opening to land an uppercut on the Wrestler. Timing would be the Key factor in the outcome of who would win. Along with the "just step back and KHTFO on the way in" I think this is probably the biggest misnomer. For a boxer to punch you, he has to be in close enough that you can also grab him. I've often seen people talk as if the boxer can land his shots as long as he stays out of range of the guy trying to grab him. That just means he can't land any punches either though. If you are close enough to punch, you are also close enough to grab. Second, it's nearly impossible to land an uppercut hard enough to do damage on someone with training that's shooting in on you. Shooting in on someone puts your head at waist level and to land a good uppercut on someone that low is nearly impossible. Uppercuts don't work nearly as well, if at all, as people would imagine they do in that situation. Simple punch down to the back of the head is the much better option though it really hurts your hand and could easily break it, or try hard to keep your balance when they first grab you (spread your legs and scoot your hips back) and throw elbows to the back of the head/neck area hard and fast.

I would say wrestling is more important, because most of the time your getting bum rushed, so you need to know how to grapple/wrestle. Even if your picking the guy apart with boxing skill he can always go in and try to slam or take you down. This is when knowing how to wrestle will benefit you.

Just carry a bunch of cash on you, pay off your attacker. #BetaWay that can actually start fights, this guy confronted me one time and he was so dirty looking and so hard to understand i thought he was a hobo and handed him a dollar, it didn't really diffuse the situation

Just carry a bunch of cash on you, pay off your attacker. #BetaWay :lol1: :lol1: I'm too broke for all that. I just take my beatings like a man.

If a wrestler can actually be successful and get their hands on a boxer then it's very possible that a wrestler can beat a Boxer, now that wrestler would have to be very fast and close at shooting on the Boxer that way his wrestling isn't compromised and give the Boxer an opening to land an uppercut on the Wrestler. Timing would be the Key factor in the outcome of who would win.