Why are people saying DSG is ducking 147 fighters?

First emboldened: No it's not unfair at all; Herrera clearly beat Danny. Clearly. That was a gift. Hence, Danny "Gift" Garcia. Second emboldened: Danny's name should not be mentioned alongside Canelo's. There is no competitive equivalence there. Canelo won a couple of close decisions, but nothing like the The Gift and against much more dangerous opposition to boot. Finally, I don't know If there is an age number I'd put on it but yeah; guys like B-Hop, Marquez, Pacman, Cotto at this point and sure I've missed some names. Warriors nearing the end of a long and distinguished career, that have taken the risky fights, yeah, they can fight pretty much who they want and I'm gonna' watch. Danny Garcia ain't that guy and at the rate he's going, he'll never be. He has 2 really good wins (Khan, Matthysse), but they are getting further and further into his rearview mirror. Calling the Herrera fight a gift for Danny is completely unfair. It was a close fight and not a clear win for Herrera. We can agree to disagree on this one. The only reason I bring Canelo up is not because of any close decisions, but because he has faced fighters who a lot of people thought he wouldn't face because of the risk they posed. Garcia went is as an underdog against Khan and, I think, Matthysse as well. They've actually paid their dues for now. However, they've both had some exhibition fights(Salka, Paulie, Josesito Lopez, Kirkland, Angulo, etc), with Garcia being the worst offender of the two. They've both flirted with the idea of fighting softer touches instead of facing the best opposition in their weight classes e.g. Garcia needs to fight Thurman-Porter winner, Brook, or another top welterweight. While Canelo needs to fight GGG or another top middleweight or jr. middleweight. My point in comparing them was that they're both two young fighters with some of the best resumes in the game, but with some exhibition fights mixed in. They're still young enough to build solid overall resumes or tarnish their reputation in spite of all the good work they've done. There are some, silently, understood requirements for fighters having earned the right to pick some favorable match making at the end of their careers. Age is one of them, but not the only one. For example, GGG is already in his thirties, but his resume is not strong enough to enable him to fight a few big name fighters, like Chavez Jr or Froch, and call it a career. But he knows this, and is actively trying to face the best fighters at 160 and unify the whole division.

Because they're gay. He just came up 2 fights ago. Some fans hold other fighters to higher standards than their own favorites. Like DSG moved up in weight, he fought some of the best JWW's, Matthysse, Khan, Peterson, Herrera. Now they want him to fight the best WW's right away. But they don't want their favorite fighters to even move up.

He really hasn't duck anybody at 147 , The WBC made a plan for him let see if he fights those guys the WBC want http://i.imgur.com/kbxVMXw.jpg So going by the WBC you have vs Khan next vs ther winner of Peterson/Vasquez Jr* I see Peterson beating Berto , Vasquez beating Cosio

But he hasn't had any gifts, just the benefit of the doubt in close fights. I think it's fair for people to think he has lost some fights, but I think it's unfair to say he's getting gifts, because he's never been outscored cleanly. There's always a justified argument to see the fights go his way. What his dad said is what most people are doing, not going to start calling out by names, and I don't agree with it. But at least Danny has earned what he has now by fighting as an underdog and coming through a few times. Danny and Canelo have fought their way to credibility with their opposition, but I don't think either one is at a stage to be looking for soft touches just to extend their reigns as titlists. They should be fighting the best opposition available, and now that Danny has a title, no excuses should be afforded to him. On a side note, I think that when fighters are in their mid 30's, have a good resume and are looking to get out within the next few years, they deserve to pick and choose their fights more carefully than 20 year old's building up their resume. First emboldened: No it's not unfair at all; Herrera clearly beat Danny. Clearly. That was a gift. Hence, Danny "Gift" Garcia. Second emboldened: Danny's name should not be mentioned alongside Canelo's. There is no competitive equivalence there. Canelo won a couple of close decisions, but nothing like the The Gift and against much more dangerous opposition to boot. Finally, I don't know If there is an age number I'd put on it but yeah; guys like B-Hop, Marquez, Pacman, Cotto at this point and sure I've missed some names. Warriors nearing the end of a long and distinguished career, that have taken the risky fights, yeah, they can fight pretty much who they want and I'm gonna' watch. Danny Garcia ain't that guy and at the rate he's going, he'll never be. He has 2 really good wins (Khan, Matthysse), but they are getting further and further into his rearview mirror.

Well, there is a few reasons.. 1. Dude ran from a floyd fight after beating lucas-- now he says he wants to fight anyone, yet the idiot rejected the fame and fortune of a floyd fight.. Losing to floyd didn't hurt canelo at all, 2. Dude wouldn't commit to 147 for over a year,, how many catchweight 144 fights did danny have? 3. Dude has yet to fight a top caliber welter, even though Haymon has a loaded stable of welters 4. If danny isn't ducking, he should have no problem fighting the winner of thurman/Porter by the end of the year It's basically put up or shut up for danny..mthe guy has literally wasted all momentum he had coming off the wins over khan and lucas a few years ago

Garcia really should have moved up to 147 after beating Matthysse, he drained himself down to 140 or a catchweight as long as possible without dying. I mean, he must be the only guy from 140-160 who DIDN'T seem to keen on fighting Floyd straight away, he's content to wait it out as long as possible and only now would be more willing to fight, smart but suspect. Then you see him struggle badly against Herrera and Peterson, no wonder why he weren't in a rush to fight Floyd. To be fair I think he will fight the top guys at 147 but his dad is over protective. As mentioned, what Angel said about Thurman-Porter just sums all of this up.

It ain't just the Salka fight all by itself, mane. Add to that the gift decisions and the legit close ones that he got the nod (whichever you think are which) and the shameless cherry picks and then top all that **** off with the fact that his pops came out and straight up declared before God and everybody that elite fighters should milk it for as long as they can before they actually break down and fight one another. That's fkn sad. But he hasn't had any gifts, just the benefit of the doubt in close fights. I think it's fair for people to think he has lost some fights, but I think it's unfair to say he's getting gifts, because he's never been outscored cleanly. There's always a justified argument to see the fights go his way. What his dad said is what most people are doing, not going to start calling out by names, and I don't agree with it. But at least Danny has earned what he has now by fighting as an underdog and coming through a few times. Danny and Canelo have fought their way to credibility with their opposition, but I don't think either one is at a stage to be looking for soft touches just to extend their reigns as titlists. They should be fighting the best opposition available, and now that Danny has a title, no excuses should be afforded to him. On a side note, I think that when fighters are in their mid 30's, have a good resume and are looking to get out within the next few years, they deserve to pick and choose their fights more carefully than 20 year old's building up their resume.

I don't agree with the Guerrero fight being for the WBC belt either (Lol are people really blaming Danny for that though?). But like I said before, you have to hold Thurman to the same standard as Danny. He's been in welterweight for a while now and he's just beginning to fight someone. Danny just came up to welterweight. And all the fights you want for Danny, it's inevitable. It's going to happen. It's not like he went up to welterweight thinking he won't fight them. In a stacked division, these paths will cross. And I thought he lost against Herrera as well. And Khan hasn't done sh*t for the past year. Just waiting for big fights. Danny is at least working his way into those big fight. Nobody rates Thurman as a top 10 pfp guy though. So why hold them to the same standard?

People hate Danny. It's just the way it is. They complain about Salka, but the truth is its better to fight Salka than it is to stay inactive. Herrera and Peterson are good fighters, so I don't see a trend of him never facing goof opposition. Truth be told he would've been criticized for facing Postol before Postol proved his class against Matthysse. It ain't just the Salka fight all by itself, mane. Add to that the gift decisions and the legit close ones that he got the nod (whichever you think are which) and the shameless cherry picks and then top all that **** off with the fact that his pops came out and straight up declared before God and everybody that elite fighters should milk it for as long as they can before they actually break down and fight one another. That's fkn sad.

Doesn't matter what you addressed. Hes fought two "gatekeepers" at 147 now, and it got him a belt. Why not just fight someone worthy already? Oh yea, because he would most likely lose. Herrera was supposed to be the soft touch, and he was exposed. Since then, its been cherries. I don't agree with the Guerrero fight being for the WBC belt either (Lol are people really blaming Danny for that though?). But like I said before, you have to hold Thurman to the same standard as Danny. He's been in welterweight for a while now and he's just beginning to fight someone. Danny just came up to welterweight. And all the fights you want for Danny, it's inevitable. It's going to happen. It's not like he went up to welterweight thinking he won't fight them. In a stacked division, these paths will cross. And I thought he lost against Herrera as well. And Khan hasn't done sh*t for the past year. Just waiting for big fights. Danny is at least working his way into those big fight.

Lol. In fairness. I like Danny, but much like the whole marinate concept. Getting acclimated to a division seems to be the latest fad of bull****. :boxing: Do you really think Danny was getting acclimated with the welterweight division back then or just not killing himself to make 140? Cutting less weight is not the same as moving up to a division, just ask Canelo or Chavez jr. Just because the fights were technically in the welterweight division doesn't mean he was fighting natural welterweights. The fights before Paulie I see as a guy who just doesn't want to make 140lbs and is letting his body properly adjust to performing at a certain level with more weight. Guerrero is not the guy you want to fight for a vacant title, but regardless, Garcia was testing himself at this new weight at a higher level than before. Now he's a champ and has no excuses to not face good opposition.

Prior to Nate Cambell, Danny had made the 140 limit exactly one time in 20 fights. The majority of them being 143/144. The excuse is saying that the opponents were fine for his first dip into welterweight, when nearly 70% of the man's career has been spent at welterweight. Not to mention he is a good sized kid for 147, who by his own admission was killing himself to make 140. Also it would be four fights since he made 140 as he came in at 141 3/4 for Salka. Are you really trying to sell me on the concept that it takes two years to get acclimated to 147? Again if the kid is only going to fight twice a year. Guerrero and Paulie type opponents are not acceptable to me. Especially considering just about anyone in the top 10 would jump at the opportunity to fight him. Check my edit. I went to boxrec to confirm. I am not saying it takes 2 years to acclimated to ww, I just didn't have a problem with these 3 being the opponents. Now that I am aware of what you pointed out, I think your criticism is very fair. Hopefully his next fight is with the Thurman/Porter winner.

The fact that these are not Garcia's first fights at welterweight is being blatantly ignored no matter how many times it is brought up. You're a hater for not thinking much of Garcia beating Robert Guerrero, but how dare you not think Kovalev/Pascal II is the worst thing in boxing that shows how awful HBO is??? How dare you think Golovkin slaughtering Malignaggi and Guerrero level opponents means anything??? Lol. In fairness. I like Danny, but much like the whole marinate concept. Getting acclimated to a division seems to be the latest fad of bull****. :boxing:

Which 20 fights are these? I only know of 3 ww fights. What excuse? Who should he fight coming into the division? Prior to Nate Cambell, Danny had made the 140 limit exactly one time in 20 fights. The majority of them being 143/144. The excuse is saying that the opponents were fine for his first dip into welterweight, when nearly 70% of the man's career has been spent at welterweight. Not to mention he is a good sized kid for 147, who by his own admission was killing himself to make 140. Also it would be four fights since he made 140 as he came in at 141 3/4 for Salka. Are you really trying to sell me on the concept that it takes two years to get acclimated to 147? Again if the kid is only going to fight twice a year. Guerrero and Paulie type opponents are not acceptable to me. Especially considering just about anyone in the top 10 would jump at the opportunity to fight him.

https://youtu.be/DhyWf8QZXtw Have you not seen this video ? lol And garcia has recent history of ducking and cherrypicking- ducked herrera rematch and fought salka Danny is a warrrior. He will fight anyone Angel wants high reward low risk fights for his son whereas fans want good competetive fights Haymon matchmaking is improving . Probably because of pressure since he is losing his investors money. I think we will see garcia in good fights. No more salkas

danny is going to keep handing out L's.

Over twenty of Danny's fights have been at welterweight. Can we stop with excusing guys who want to move up 2-3 lbs at a time ffs. He is'nt a strawweight. Danny at this stage in his career has no business fighting a Guerrero or Paulie, if he is only going to fight twice a year. Not like he is short on opponents. The fact that these are not Garcia's first fights at welterweight is being blatantly ignored no matter how many times it is brought up. You're a hater for not thinking much of Garcia beating Robert Guerrero, but how dare you not think Kovalev/Pascal II is the worst thing in boxing that shows how awful HBO is??? How dare you think Golovkin slaughtering Malignaggi and Guerrero level opponents means anything???

Over twenty of Danny's fights have been at welterweight. Can we stop with excusing guys who want to move up 2-3 lbs at a time ffs. He is'nt a strawweight. Danny at this stage in his career has no business fighting a Guerrero or Paulie, if he is only going to fight twice a year. Not like he is short on opponents. Which 20 fights are these? I only know of 3 ww fights. What excuse? Who should he fight coming into the division? edit: I went to boxrec to check the weights of all Danny's fights. You are correct that in 20 fights he came in above 140.

Danny fought Petersen at 143, Paulie and Ghost. How can anyone complain that those are his 1st 3 ww fights? If you are mad Danny beat Ghost for a title, direct your anger at the WBC for sanctioning it as a title fight. ****ing f@gs on NSB still mad Danny beat Morales, Khan and Matthysse. Get over it already. Over twenty of Danny's fights have been at welterweight. Can we stop with excusing guys who want to move up 2-3 lbs at a time ffs. He is'nt a strawweight. Danny at this stage in his career has no business fighting a Guerrero or Paulie, if he is only going to fight twice a year. Not like he is short on opponents.

DSG dont duck, in fact he has very little head movement... lol