What makes Lara better than Murray or Macklin?

In terms of facing GGG he's a more interesting style. But Murray and Macklin are clearly better wins in the middleweight division. Macklin should, or at least could, have got the decision against Sturm. And he was ahead on the cards going into the 11th round against Sergio. He was also coming off a first round knockout win when he fought Golovkin. Murray got a draw with Sturm, and probably would have got the win over Sergio if that fight was anywhere except Argentina. Neither of them particularly excite me as fighters, and stylistically the Lara fight answers more questions about GGG for me as well. But they are solid wins at 160 and they show how far ahead of the pack Golovkin is.

Look at their respective resumes

Lara doesn't seem a bit overhyped? We get people here saying Lara would be the best opponent GGG has ever faced, but nothing separates him from anyone else. Macklin and Murray, when they had faced GGG, had only lost to or drew with Martinez and Sturm. Lara has never faced anyone as good as Martinez or Sturm, but hes better than the guys who lost to them? Something is not adding up when people say he would be GGGs best opponent ever. His best win is Austin Trout. Oh I get it, Trout is better than Martinez and Sturm. The hate train already begun on this thread, good job with exposing the truth once again :)

You can say what you will about his style, but Lara is elite and that is just a fact. He has been in with elite fighters and more than held his own, and with a bit of luck may have held wins over Paul Williams and Canelo. I think he definitely beat PW and I had the Canelo fight a draw. Don't get me wrong, he is not Floyd Mayweather, but he is a top fighter. He is awkward, good movement, good defensive skills (although he can be hit), he is fast, and he can punch pretty hard. Murray and Macklin are not elite, they are borderline world level/gatekeepers who have probably been a bit unlucky not to get a world title. Even as a smaller fighter at a weight division down, Lara presents more problems and more danger for GGG then both Murray and Macklin. His skills and boxing ability present a challenge which GGG has yet to face, he hasn't fought anyone that good. A lot of people overlook the fact that Lara actually has a lot of pop to keep fighters honest, whether he can do that with GGG remains to be seen, but it is definitely intriguing. GGG might go through him like the others, and that would be impressive and definitely would prove something to the boxing public. It would also create comparable competition with Canelo and is a perfect fight to build the hype for that one, as long as GGG comes through with no problems. The problem with Lara is that he is consistently inconsistent, he has never looked great really. He beat some fighters that he was supposed to lose to but at the same time he doesn't have any impressive wins. He might have some good names on his resume but the wins weren't impressive where he barely scraped by or won simply because the other guy didn't do anything. Lara is far from a stylistic nightmare to GGG, Lare is a mover, he does 1-2 and moves or 1-1-2. His defense is a high guard mixed in with movement. If the angula fight taught us anything is that Lara leaves his body wide open before he escapes. he took over 100 body shots (i think) from Angulo and was dropped twice. Now GGG isn't an Angulo but he will snatch that body from underneath Lara and it will make for a short fight. I would say that it isn't going past 6 and would be shocked if he makes it to the final bell.

I'm pretty sure that at least 50% of people in this thread have never actually seen Lara fight except for highlights. Lara is skillful, but his rep is vastly overrated. He's very mobile, but has a questionable chin, doesn't have the best head movement, is featherfisted, and tends to shell up a lot.

Two good eyes thread :boxing:

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Does not walk in a straight line, would be difficult to hit, runs a lot, even when you win you don't look good winning against him etc, He is a challenge and one i would like to see GGG in. https://nosparring.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/lara-down.jpg

Does not walk in a straight line, would be difficult to hit, runs a lot, even when you win you don't look good winning against him etc, He is a challenge and one i would like to see GGG in.

He's better than Macklin, but he's a choker like Murray. Both always come up short in big fights.

I think a big part of it is people would like to see GGG against a boxer with really good movement. Also, Lara has shown a willingness to fight anyone. He is not the type to shy away from a challenge. His style may present a challenge to GGG. Based on the eye test alone, I believe he's better than Macklin and Murray. However, I don't believe he can move up and beat Golovkin. Pretty much this ^. Lara is a technically better boxer than either Murray or Macklin - whether he would have much success at MW is a different question, but I suspect he'd do well. The main thing is he'd provide a different stylistic challenge to Golovkin that should make for an interesting fight. Personally I believe that GGG would beat him fairly easily, but that ain't a good reason for them not to fight.

I agree that resume wise there is not much separating them. But sometimes the eye test is all that's needed. If you watch Lara box and think he's on the same level as a Murray or mackin (good fighters an tough competitors, no disrespect to them) then u don't know boxing So does Laras eye test beat anyone at 160? If so, why hasnt he done it if he wants to beat GGG so bad?

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33 year old Lara is fighting Vanes in a couple of weeks. Why come he isn't fighting a middleweight instead so that way he can show he really wants to fight GGG? I mean, if I wanted a guy in a higher divison really bad, I wouldn't spend 3 years twitting my fingers and still fighting guys at 154 to prove my point. I woulnd't be fighting the guy I had a draw with 3 and a half years ago to show how much I wanted to fight a guy at 160. I'd fight an actual middleweight. So why is Lara fighting Vanes again?

lara has no wins over anybody at 160! he's just a guy who people have built up into an avoided fighter if you watch lara's fights against iffy 154 lbers and think he's got a shot to jump a weight class and compete with a p4per you're nuts :lol1:

3 pages and not a single person has said what makes Lara better than Murray or Macklin. Pathetic. Maybe losing to Paul Williams who was knocked out by Martinez makes him better, I don't know. Or Maybe it was getting knocked down by Angulo or his fight with Molina. Whatever it is, nobody has said. Techincal ability doesn't automatically make one fighter better than the other. Lara gets the benefit of the doubt because of his skin color. Lara got knocked down by Angulo and got up to stop him. Macklin got knocked out cold by Jamie Moore.

You want some reasons: - Lara is totally unranked at MW, does not have one win over a genuine middleweight. - Lara is so dull and cant even finish a guy that got knocked out by Cotto inside a couple rounds. - He gets pummeled and knocked down multiple times by caveman Angulo. - His best win is....Austin Trout who isnt even ranked in the top 10 at 154. - He got outboxed by Carlos Molina and got gifted a draw. - Almost all of Lara's fights have been extremely boring and a proven cure to insomnia. - He took part in one of the worst fights in 2011 between him and "veteran" Vanes Martirosyan which eneded in a Draw. - He does not bring any fans nor does he bring any money, but you can be sure that he is asking for alot of cash. - He is with Al Haymon and as everyone knows its always a pleasure for HBO to deal with Haymon. Haymon is known to send off his fighters to rival networks to get embarrassed. Actually here is one more, real reason for you He never wanted to fight GGG, only his childish promoter is using Lara's twitter account to trashtalk and uses GGG's name to stay relevant, Lara himself is hiding behind Haymon and has no plan to even move up in weight, they never even contacted K2 or made a formal offer, but the usual GGG haters (97k bla bla) are running out of reasons to hate on GGG so they use the poor boring cuban. just for the record, as you said Lara never contacted K2, but instead Tom Loefler heard the claim from fans, and he throw one time the name of lara on the table, and it was Abel Sanchez the one who rejected the idea of that fight. all of this is on record, so any of you can check it out. Damn Abel, I wanted that Lara to get blasted out.

I would have to disagree. The REAL reason Lara gets so much traction from the GGG hate squad is that they know full well that a GGG-Lara fight has about a .00001% chance of actually happening, for a myriad of reasons. So they are safe in running their mouths about how Lara would do this, or do that, or be the best opponent, GGG is ducking Lara, and blah blah blah, because the fight wont actually happen and prove them to be the idiots we already know they are...... That's a good point, and i don't disagree :ANYWORD: I have noticed the 'usuals' trying to put down Lara as someone who Golovkin is ducking. Which is ridiculous, and as you pointed out, more than likely down to it being a fight they know won't happen regardless.

Murray is ('was' maybe?) a good fighter. As is Lara, i rate him highly. He is a nightmare with his style. The reason Lara is being pushed on here as a possible opponent so much of late, is because Quillin and Lee lost IMO. After the Lemeiux fight, there were lots of threads on how Golovkin had to 'step up' and face Lee or Quillin. When they both lost, Lara became the next guy. Maybe most people fancy his chances better than Jacobs or Saunders. Lara is a top-end fighter i feel, i'm a fan of his. His style makes the fight interesting..i do wonder how he does against GGG though. I think he would be competitive with the other guys at 160; Quillin, Jacobs ect. I don't think he does much better than anyone else has managed so far against GGG though. I would have to disagree. The REAL reason Lara gets so much traction from the GGG hate squad is that they know full well that a GGG-Lara fight has about a .00001% chance of actually happening, for a myriad of reasons. So they are safe in running their mouths about how Lara would do this, or do that, or be the best opponent, or that GGG is ducking Lara, and blah blah blah, because the fight wont actually happen and prove them to be the idiots we already know they are......

By that reasoning, Chisora should start as favourite if he gets in the ring with Wilder as he (Del Boy) has only lost to Vitali, Fury and Haye (I would argue that despite the result, he comfortably beat Helenius). Getting beat by 10's doesn't make you a 9. Murray is a strong and honest fighter, and Macklin worked hard, but neither are at the level of Lara imho.