Why do certain posters want PBC to fail and get happy if they have low numbers?

Blak Bread - Yes, the dynamic of other sports is very different than the dynamic of boxing and Al Haymon is clearly trying to change the dynamic of boxing to make it more similar to other sports, and hopefully, benefit from the explosion in TV sports rights fees. I'm not failing to grasp the differences, I'm simply arguing that if somebody does find a way to create a boxing equivalent, it would benefit the fans. If PBC is successful on that level and becomes boxing's equivalent of the NFL, there would obviously still be lower level boxing and international boxing that would be the equivalent of the CFL, Arena League, semi-pro leagues, etc. One Punch - In 2010, I have no doubt Al Haymon was focused on what would be successful in 2015. That's just how people like him operatoe. While everyone argues over a TV rating from last week, Al Haymon is making plans for 2020. Everyons in boxing has always been focused on RIGHT NOW or NEXT YEAR that it allowed an outsider to waltz in and potentially take over. Maybe Haymon will completely fail. That's very possible. But I think you should be a little more open minded and consider the possibility that there are high level thinkers that do operate that way and are constantly operating five years in the future. I'm not saying he knew in 2010 that it would do 4 million buys in 2015, but I do think he realized there was no reason to rush the fight and it would always make more sense as the cash out fight at the end of Floyd's career. El Mero Chingon - The industry is cashing out the few big PPV fights remaining because PPV as a whole is going to fall off a cliff. It's just an antiquated business model. Pacquiao, Mayweather and Cotto were created in a different era. I don't think a new PPV attraction can be created in this day and age and ever reach their level. So no matter how you slice it, boxing was going to need an overhaul, whether that's a subscription service or something else. Longterm, PPV can't be the answer anymore. I was completely rooting for GBP to take over and Haymon's plan originally was to buy GBP and have GBP take over the sport. Oscar bailed on the deal and forced Haymon to take another approach. Big Javi - You don't believe UFC has most of the top fighters? Who has most of the top fighters then? Strange that you would call me a UFC fanboy when I'm not a UFC fan and have admitted I was working for Strikeforce and was pissed when UFC bought them. Is there really any doubt though that UFC has most of the top fighters? Norm - Bounce TV is an over the air network. My cable company does not carry BOunce, but I can receive Bounce for free over the air. So PBC is on SEVERAL free networks. NBC, CBS, Fox and Bounce.

How many people do you know watch PBC without having to pay for cable??? I don't know anyone who doesn't have cable, but the option is there for those can't afford it.

You didnt even answer my questions. You open a thread and when someone explains you the reason you come up with "I dont care bla bla bla" PBC is 95% trash fights and the PBC fighters are being encouraged to duck the best fighters because they are getting paid just as much to fight the worst cabdrivers and bums you can find. You do know that Broner vs Porter happened on PBC right? That one free fight is a better match up than GGG's whole career. PBC opened up with Thurman vs Guerrero, which at that time was a good fight on paper. Leo Santa Cruz vs Mares was good match up as well. But here's my thing. You can't say sh*t when it's free. Sure all fights won't be great match ups. That happens in any network. It's like come on. We're not casuals. We understand that fighters need to be built up. We also understand that some fights need to be built up. Some fights were meant to be on PPV. Danny Garcia vs Keith Thurman can be built up to be a PPV. I can understand if they don't want to do that fight on free TV. So can Kell Brooks vs Amir Khan. Golovkin fights on HBO and all of his opponents are considered tomato cans. And HBO ain't free. If I want to watch a champ against a tomato can, then guess what? It will always be better free. It also gives prospects exposure as well. I'm from Philly, and people over here love to talk about losing teams like the Eagles and 76ers and such. Thanks to PBC, some of my friends are talking about Julian Williams now. As you can see, I'm not supporting PBC because it's Haymon. I'm supporting PBC because it's better for boxing overall.

We know that everything PBC isn't free, but they offer boxing to those that can't afford cable, who else is doing that for english speaking people. How many people do you know watch PBC without having to pay for cable???

Since when can you get Bounce TV without a cable box..I'm not disputing NBC and ABC, if you can read, I said NBC SPORTS and FOX SPORTS...It doesn't matter to me what they call it, i'm just simply saying it's not free boxing the way you and Haymon riders call it. I'm happy there's boxing on every week but I pay to see it, the same way I pay for HBO and Showtime. We know that everything PBC isn't free, but they offer boxing to those that can't afford cable, who else is doing that for english speaking people.

Bounce TV is free, so is NBC and CBS, are they lying? No, because they do offer free boxing for some, aren't you paying for cable, why does it matter to you what they call it, if you're gonna be paying anyways. Since when can you get Bounce TV without a cable box..I'm not disputing NBC and ABC, if you can read, I said NBC SPORTS and FOX SPORTS...It doesn't matter to me what they call it, i'm just simply saying it's not free boxing the way you and Haymon riders call it. I'm happy there's boxing on every week but I pay to see it, the same way I pay for HBO and Showtime.

Bounce TV is free? ESPN? FoxSports and NBCSPORTS????? FOH Bounce TV is free, so is NBC and CBS, are they lying? No, because they do offer free boxing for some, aren't you paying for cable, why does it matter to you what they call it, if you're gonna be paying anyways.

So NBC, CBS and Bounce aren't free? Bounce TV is free? ESPN? FoxSports and NBCSPORTS????? FOH

I've never heard of free cable How much is your cable bill every month? It isn't free I bet My cable bill sure as hell isn't free, but if didn't have cable, boxing is on 3 networks that I could use a HD antenna to watch.

I've never heard of free cable How much is your cable bill every month? It isn't free I bet maybe he has rabbit ears on his tv for those NBC and CBS shows lol

So NBC, CBS and Bounce aren't free? I've never heard of free cable How much is your cable bill every month? It isn't free I bet

People are stuck on this "free" TV crap..Since when is FoxSports and NBCSports "free' TV??? HBO and Showtime and normally $10 a month and if you are smart enough, you can just get it for $5 dollars a month for 2 years if you complain..At the end of the 2 years promotion you complain again and either get it for free or for $5 again. Can you go to Best Buy, buy a TV, turn it on and get FoxSports, ESPN or NBCSports without cable???????????? Then the shiattt isn't free. So NBC, CBS and Bounce aren't free?

Please list your reasons why you want to see boxing of free television fail,its not PPV and it gives us more boxing even throughout the week. So why do certain posters get happy when it gets low viewing rates? It's because al Haymon bro If PBC fails then he has to use a network like HBO or showtime and we can get some fights we want not garbage on fee tv with no production value

Self Serving?? he takes care of his fighters,none are complaining....and short change the fans?? by giving them more fights to watch You must have drank the cool aid. Haymon has been milking careers with mismatched fights for a minute. 2014 is a prime example. He started out with exciting fights when he first launched PBC this spring, but not so much lately. More does not translate to better or even good. Try as you may Larry, you will never convince many posters here that Haymon is a standup guy, who's getting a bad rep because he's black.

People are stuck on this "free" TV crap..Since when is FoxSports and NBCSports "free' TV??? HBO and Showtime and normally $10 a month and if you are smart enough, you can just get it for $5 dollars a month for 2 years if you complain..At the end of the 2 years promotion you complain again and either get it for free or for $5 again. Can you go to Best Buy, buy a TV, turn it on and get FoxSports, ESPN or NBCSports without cable???????????? Then the shiattt isn't free.

They shook, so they just make up excuses.

Hm.. Not exactly a good comparison. Capitalism works on the assumption that you make money in your business strategy. What Haymon is doing is more like a big corporate chain coming in, cutting their prices so low as to take a loss and drive all the local mom-and-pop shops out of business. Once they are out of business, they hike their prices back up. HBO/other promoters pay their fighters and takes a cut that allows them to function as a profitable organization. PBC loses quite a lot of money, quite often. The first example is illegal in quite a lot of industries in America - for example, FERC regulates energy prices throughout the US to prevent big players from driving smaller competitors out of business. Apologies for off-topic example, but it's one I'm intimately familiar with :) Ok, that's done in America on a daily basis. HBO lost money when they started as well, as do most businesses. They then turned a profit and grew. Maybe the same happens to PBC. OK, its illegal in certain industries. That doesn't make it illegal in boxing. In NJ, the gun and drug laws are different than in Colorado and Washington. The point is-if OP can't afford to pay that sucks. Arum and ODH surely can afford it.

YOU couldn't afford to pay that but Haymon might be able. The issue is YOUR lack of resources, not them overpaying. If you can't compete, you can't compete. That sucks but that is the reality. If McDonalds did that-the affect is they would get a huge increase in applications and good cashiers would leave their jobs to go to Mc'd's. If you wanted to retain the cashier-meet that fee or lose out. Sorry dude but that is how capitalism works in America. It may not always be fair. well considering that Dibella, Shaw, Deguardia, Pelullo, and every other member of the BPA complained about the same problem, sure, it was just me. When any one entity skews the pay scale it affects EVERY other promoter, whether they can afford it or not. Nobody like losing money. But go ahead and crack jokes. Much easier than critical thinking.

Some fans would loudly back PBC up even if it were Danny Garcia against a different actual garbage man every week. On the other hand, some people would find fault in any fight PBC puts on. Its just reality. Homers exist on both sides and you're all posers. As for me, I don't want anything boxing to fail. My beef is mostly due to in house fights with recycled "opponents" coupled with a presentation that seems like a mix between UFC and a toughman competition. I know I'm not supposed to care about bad announcers and silly ring walks with no in ring announcer, but I do. Also, HUGE money for guys to take low risk fights until they get exposed is good for nobody other than that fighters bank account. No good for the fans, or for growing the sport. PBC can be a great thing, but it needs to make some adjustments.

YOU couldn't afford to pay that but Haymon might be able. The issue is YOUR lack of resources, not them overpaying. If you can't compete, you can't compete. That sucks but that is the reality. If McDonalds did that-the affect is they would get a huge increase in applications and good cashiers would leave their jobs to go to Mc'd's. If you wanted to retain the cashier-meet that fee or lose out. Sorry dude but that is how capitalism works in America. It may not always be fair.Hm.. Not exactly a good comparison. Capitalism works on the assumption that you make money in your business strategy. What Haymon is doing is more like a big corporate chain coming in, cutting their prices so low as to take a loss and drive all the local mom-and-pop shops out of business. Once they are out of business, they hike their prices back up. HBO/other promoters pay their fighters and takes a cut that allows them to function as a profitable organization. PBC loses quite a lot of money, quite often. The first example is illegal in quite a lot of industries in America - for example, FERC regulates energy prices throughout the US to prevent big players from driving smaller competitors out of business. Apologies for off-topic example, but it's one I'm intimately familiar with :)