Cotto's loss...
Margarito (plaster)
Pacquiao
Mayweather
Canelo
Trout (even though this wasn't really a big fight)
Oscar's loss...
Trinidad
Mosley 2x
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Me personally, I think the loss in big fights were better for Oscar. Just because he had Hopkins and Trinidad in there. But at the same time, we can say Canelo was Cotto's Trinidad. Oscar did better against Floyd than Cotto did, but Cotto did better than Oscar against Pacquiao. I think the only thing that ruins it for Cotto is Trout. So I'm going to say Oscar had the better loss.
Oscar never lost to Tito and Mosley in my eyes. Also, he was very much in the Hopkins fight before that weird shot, he lost a close one to a prime Floyd, and was a zombie against Pacquiao. Basically, Cotto isn't fit to lace Oscar's boots, different class of fighters.
All of this except I might have been a bit kinder in summation, being as how I'm a Cotto fan.
That said, which current 147-154 fighters could carry a more or less prime Golden jock?
Floyd and him just barely and maybe not any more.
That's it.
Cotto's loss...
Margarito (plaster)
Pacquiao
Mayweather
Canelo
Trout (even though this wasn't really a big fight)
Oscar's loss...
Trinidad
Mosley 2x
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Me personally, I think the loss in big fights were better for Oscar. Just because he had Hopkins and Trinidad in there. But at the same time, we can say Canelo was Cotto's Trinidad. Oscar did better against Floyd than Cotto did, but Cotto did better than Oscar against Pacquiao. I think the only thing that ruins it for Cotto is Trout. So I'm going to say Oscar had the better loss.
ODLH razor thin loss against Tito could had gone the other way. I thought he beat the steroid charged Mosley in their second fight. No shame in to Hopkins loss because ODLH started at 130 and lets face it, its Benard
Cotto lost decidedly to his top fighters
oscar performed better..
He arguably defeated trinidad and mosely 2
oscar only looked really bad vs hopkins and manny.. But can you blame him... oscar-hopkins would be like if cotto fought ggg,,, and oscar was completely shot when he fought manny..
both oscar and cotto fought floyd tough.
But cotto in his prime got badly stopped vs margarito and manny,,, something that never happened to oscar in his prime..
Oscar never lost to Tito and Mosley in my eyes. Also, he was very much in the Hopkins fight before that weird shot, he lost a close one to a prime Floyd, and was a zombie against Pacquiao. Basically, Cotto isn't fit to lace Oscar's boots, different class of fighters.
Prime Floyd?!!?!!! HAHAHA!
Stop it, what, so Margarito decided to start using plaster against Mosley because Mosley was the bigger threat? That punk ass cheat was working his drywall magic well before that, it's naive to believe anything else.
Any proof though?
I'll wait....
Oscar for sure. Guy was the A side most of his career and still went out and fought the best. He beat Tito and Mosley was juiced up and Oscar still won the rematch IMO. Guys in Oscar's position now wouldn't take the Hopkins fight when he did.
Cotto beat a non juiced old Mosley that was considering retirement and a one kneed Sergio that couldn't even spar in training camp. Margacheato plaster wrapped him so that loss doesn't count but the rest of his losses were clear and no robbery's. His wins since Mosley aren't that great and his losses came after he stepped up competition and couldn't cherry pick. He would have ducked Canelo for a third time if HBO didn't step in and make him take the fight.
you gotta put an asterisk on mosley for using steroids
i don't know why people forget that dude was caught using steroids.
Very true. And l still felt that Oscar won those fights, he pretty much beat a juiced up Shane.
Oscar won a couple of his "losses", so I'll go with him.
Cotto runs from the ring like a baby when he loses.
This is comparing apples to oranges. Cotto had a good career, Oscar had a great career.
Cotto's big wins are what? old Judah and Mosley, Sergio or Margarito
Oscar fought the best in their prime, Cotto won't even fight GGG.
Cross dresser is better than diva, his big fights had better opponents and Oscar was close, Cotto got dominated by Trout (no rematch, wonder why?).
Oscar never lost to Tito and Mosley in my eyes. Also, he was very much in the Hopkins fight before that weird shot, he lost a close one to a prime Floyd, and was a zombie against Pacquiao. Basically, Cotto isn't fit to lace Oscar's boots, different class of fighters.
Then you have to be fair and put a * on Tito, we don't know if he was wrapping his wraps illegally for the rest of his fights either, you have to be naive not to think he did so. Boxers actually said Titos wraps were unusually hard as a rock.
Have to be fair.
Trinidad Sr. himself said they always have, and always will wrap Tito's hands that way after he got caught.
Why asterisk the Margarito loss with "plaster"? No proof. We can't go back and say every Margarito win was done via plaster.
Cotto is a choke artist. He's a diva. And the fact that he's wildly popular actually does his career a disservice. He plays games, and posture due to his rabid fanbase. He's overrated and probably shouldn't be in those big fights.
I'm no fan of Oscar either (although I do like him as a promoter). But, he gave away the Tito fight, and the Mosley losses were tough and close fights. Besides the Manny beat down, and BHop catching him--he didn't lose as bad as Kneegul quitting, getting mopped by Manny and outboxed by Canelo
You hit alot of real points, manny vs oscar was lost on the scales. Not weighing 147 in nearly 8 yrs isnt easy. Mosley was juiced vs oscar.Yes no proof on margaritos plaster vs cotto. Cotto only beat him in the rematch because manny gave him the gift of permanently damaging tonys eye.cotto is a diva and has been overrated,wins where his opponents are compromised.
Cotto's loss...
Margarito (plaster)
Pacquiao
Mayweather
Canelo
Trout (even though this wasn't really a big fight)
Oscar's loss...
Trinidad
Mosley 2x
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Me personally, I think the loss in big fights were better for Oscar. Just because he had Hopkins and Trinidad in there. But at the same time, we can say Canelo was Cotto's Trinidad. Oscar did better against Floyd than Cotto did, but Cotto did better than Oscar against Pacquiao. I think the only thing that ruins it for Cotto is Trout. So I'm going to say Oscar had the better loss.
I think the influence of losses is judged mainly in comparison to a fighter's wins. In effect, Oscar's losses don't seem so bad when you look at the fighters he beat. Cotto's wins aren't as impressive, which makes his losses look even worse. I agree, Oscar has the better losses.
Stop it, what, so Margarito decided to start using plaster against Mosley because Mosley was the bigger threat? That punk ass cheat was working his drywall magic well before that, it's naive to believe anything else.
Then you have to be fair and put a * on Tito, we don't know if he was wrapping his wraps illegally for the rest of his fights either, you have to be naive not to think he did so. Boxers actually said Titos wraps were unusually hard as a rock.
Have to be fair.
Cotto's loss...
Margarito (plaster)
Pacquiao
Mayweather
Canelo
Trout (even though this wasn't really a big fight)
Oscar's loss...
Trinidad
Mosley 2x
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Me personally, I think the loss in big fights were better for Oscar. Just because he had Hopkins and Trinidad in there. But at the same time, we can say Canelo was Cotto's Trinidad. Oscar did better against Floyd than Cotto did, but Cotto did better than Oscar against Pacquiao. I think the only thing that ruins it for Cotto is Trout. So I'm going to say Oscar had the better loss.
Oscar actually won some big fights and in some cases, spectacularly so.
Cotto only really has Martinez, who doesn't rank close to Whitaker or Chavez and other than that...there's Mosley maybe ?
Why asterisk the Margarito loss with "plaster"? No proof. We can't go back and say every Margarito win was done via plaster.
Cotto is a choke artist. He's a diva. And the fact that he's wildly popular actually does his career a disservice. He plays games, and posture due to his rabid fanbase. He's overrated and probably shouldn't be in those big fights.
I'm no fan of Oscar either (although I do like him as a promoter). But, he gave away the Tito fight, and the Mosley losses were tough and close fights. Besides the Manny beat down, and BHop catching him--he didn't lose as bad as Kneegul quitting, getting mopped by Manny and outboxed by Canelo
Stop it, what, so Margarito decided to start using plaster against Mosley because Mosley was the bigger threat? That punk ass cheat was working his drywall magic well before that, it's naive to believe anything else.
Why asterisk the Margarito loss with "plaster"? No proof. We can't go back and say every Margarito win was done via plaster.
Cotto is a choke artist. He's a diva. And the fact that he's wildly popular actually does his career a disservice. He plays games, and posture due to his rabid fanbase. He's overrated and probably shouldn't be in those big fights.
I'm no fan of Oscar either (although I do like him as a promoter). But, he gave away the Tito fight, and the Mosley losses were tough and close fights. Besides the Manny beat down, and BHop catching him--he didn't lose as bad as Kneegul quitting, getting mopped by Manny and outboxed by Canelo
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