So, after another night of atrocious scoring in a Canelo fight, let's sum up what happened so far in this guys career:
1. Austin Trout
- I clearly remember this fight for one thing. Open judging. And it was bad. Trout was outboxing Canelo for large parts of the fight imo - I even think I had it a draw watching it live.
Slight win for Canelo maybe.
Two of the scorecards read: 118-109 & 116-111. Laughable cards.
2. Floyd Mayweather
- Was outboxed from start to finish over 12 rounds. Hardly landed a decent shot all night.
One of the scorecards read 114-114. Possibly the worst scorecard ever in a world title fight.
3. Erislandy Lara
- Canelo looked amateurish to say the least, following Lara around without really cutting the ring off and was getting countered quite easily, albeit by a guy with a negative style.
One of the scorecards read: 117-111.
Overall, it was very debatable whether Canelo deserved that decision.
4. Miguel Cotto
- For my liking he lost most of the early rounds, it was give and take BUT HE DID DESERVE the win in the end. However, I saw JMM calling it a draw - and I know he's shown bias against Canelo in the past, but it was more a draw than these cards:
118-110, 119-109, 117-111.
For fuk sake, one of the judges had Cotto winning 1 round. That's absolutely ridiculous.
What is it with this guy and favourable decisions? Honestly.
Nope.
With the exception of one judge in the Mayweather fight, the correct person has one each of the fights.
This isn't going to the judges cards anyway.
Those cards are too wide but this isn't only with Canelo. Close fights have and will continue to have outrageously wide cards under the current 10-9 system.
Trout got dropped in the first 15 seconds or so only to get up & dominate the round, it should've been a 10-10.
Dominate the round? Seriously?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gudtx4M_5d0
There's the round right there...what does he do that is even remotely dominant? Like, at all?
He gets cracked with another 4-5 big shots and throws a lot of keep off punches with nothing on them. It is a clear 10-8 round.
Well if you had Canelo-Trout a draw than Canelo wins because of the knock down.
Trout got dropped in the first 15 seconds or so only to get up & dominate the round, it should've been a 10-10.
I felt Canelo beat Trout in a close fight, but after re-watching it I lean towards a Draw. I'd say Lara too was a Draw.
At the end of the day Canelo doesn't have the amateur pedigree and will struggle with a guy who has good footwork.
That's certainly true.
But it shouldn't give him outrageous cards regardless!
hes boys with some of the guys in the cartel. maybe the judges are scared they will end up with their head being left on their mom's door step with a testicle in each eye socket
this is a very good point.
canelo does have a ton of experience, but he doesn't have the international amateur background that exposes guys to lots of different styles that employ movement. that's where you learn to fight movers.
he was fighting professionally in the second half of his teens and getting experience, but it wasn't against guys who move well. he was exposed to the styles you see in mexico.
True, but at this point he's faced Mayweather and Lara in two professional fights, can't get any better experience against movers than that.
I felt Canelo beat Trout in a close fight, but after re-watching it I lean towards a Draw. I'd say Lara too was a Draw.
At the end of the day Canelo doesn't have the amateur pedigree and will struggle with a guy who has good footwork.
Well if you had Canelo-Trout a draw than Canelo wins because of the knock down.
The fact the most popular and highest earning fighter in the sport outclassed Canelo for 12 rounds and scraped a MD, says it all
The man can't be beaten on the scorecards even if he loses the fight, not now that Floyd has retired
Canelo has an amazing run of fighters on his resume, but the fact 3 of his biggest fights were either way fights, it makes Canelo lose a lot of shine
And it's costing him respect as well.
He is the WBC's favorite fighter. I don't know if that affects the judges as much as his promoter might but it seems like he is being guided to a great career if someone doesn't score an upset over him.
So you are telling me that when they announced the scores and Canelo was way ahead that you agreed with it and that did not influence the tactics used by Trout?
No but you said the Knockdown was a result of the open scoring, which it clearly wasn't. The influence it might have had was only in the last third of the fight. In fact it influenced both fighters tactics since Canelo knew he had a huge lead. I believe Alvarez was cleanly outboxing Trout even if he gave away rounds due to inactivity.
Change tactics? Dude was dropped in the opening sequence of the round in the middle of the ring by a feint jab straight right. How did the open-scoring play a role in that? Would he have dodged the right if he didn't know the scoring?
Truth is they announced the scores to the corners during the 4th and 8th rounds. Trout knew he had no shot after the 8th round. The fight was pretty similar throughout as Trout was the aggressor from the opening bell and Canelo relied on countering.
So you are telling me that when they announced the scores and Canelo was way ahead that you agreed with it and that did not influence the tactics used by Trout?
They were announcing the open scoring in the Trout bout. Trout had to change tactics which led to the knockdown.
No way that fight Canelo was winning wide at the point they announced it. But it is true. Canelo gets way too much credit for winning a round. So far I haven't had a problem with the decisions but if this trend continues you will have one of those fights...
Change tactics? Dude was dropped in the opening sequence of the round in the middle of the ring by a feint jab straight right. How did the open-scoring play a role in that? Would he have dodged the right if he didn't know the scoring?
Truth is they announced the scores to the corners during the 4th and 8th rounds. Trout knew he had no shot after the 8th round. The fight was pretty similar throughout as Trout was the aggressor from the opening bell and Canelo relied on countering.
I felt Canelo beat Trout in a close fight, but after re-watching it I lean towards a Draw. I'd say Lara too was a Draw.
At the end of the day Canelo doesn't have the amateur pedigree and will struggle with a guy who has good footwork.
this is a very good point.
canelo does have a ton of experience, but he doesn't have the international amateur background that exposes guys to lots of different styles that employ movement. that's where you learn to fight movers.
he was fighting professionally in the second half of his teens and getting experience, but it wasn't against guys who move well. he was exposed to the styles you see in mexico.
They were announcing the open scoring in the Trout bout. Trout had to change tactics which led to the knockdown.
No way that fight Canelo was winning wide at the point they announced it. But it is true. Canelo gets way too much credit for winning a round. So far I haven't had a problem with the decisions but if this trend continues you will have one of those fights...
I felt Canelo beat Trout in a close fight, but after re-watching it I lean towards a Draw. I'd say Lara too was a Draw.
At the end of the day Canelo doesn't have the amateur pedigree and will struggle with a guy who has good footwork.
The second, the third, the 10th and the 11th were all clear rounds for Cotto.
Canelo's clear rounds were the 7th and the 12th.
I can see the closer rounds being more difficult to score, for example the first or the 8t hand 9th.
But your a **** boxing "fan" anyway so I don't give a **** if you think Cotto won any or not. :lame:
Why were they clear rounds for Cotto?
The 8th round was close? LOL...Canelo was beating Cotto up in that round with clean right hands and uppercuts.
Learn how to score boxing please.
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