There's a difference between moving up and growing out a division.

How do you know? He was probably better 3-4 years ago, but how do you know he's better than the current champions when the last time he fought was a year and a half ago? The man has already retired. Ward was willing to go through the trouble of making 168, a weight class he obviously outgrew during his long layoff, to fight GGG after a 19 months layoff and GGG still turned down that chance.You're wrong. He already beat Abraham, DeGale swings wildly and Jack is just bad. If you don't want to agree that Froch is better, that's fine. But I think it's not even an argument that Froch 10x more popular than any of those. From the risk/reward perspective, Froch is the #1 option at SMW, with everyone else a distant 4th. The bar was set extremely low for GGG, I mean he had the chance of becoming the number 1 P4P fighter in world in 1 fight against a guys who's coming off a 19 months layoff and has trouble making 168, how much easier does it get? This was GGG's perfect chance and he blew it. Canelo, Cotto and the winner of Quillin Jacobs won't fight him, let him have a resume full of the Lemieuxs and the Andy Lees (Chavez Jr. leftover) of the world if that's what he and you guys want to, but don't ask other people for recognition if you're not daring to be great!Wrong, wrong and wrong. Ward wasn't on a p4p list when the fight was discussed due to inactivity. Any semblance of the fight being made was killed in June. You can check how long Ward has been on p4p list. How much easier does what get? To beat a guy who outweighs him for no financial reward? Plus if he beat Ward at 168, he'd be avoided even more than he is now because all the others would know they have no chance against him. He'd be stuck fighting Fonfaras for 500k and dealing with Haymon trash at 168. It was a dumb move then, and Ward killed it when he asked for a fight next year because he needed tune ups.

Floyd only fought guys who had outgrown divisions as well. DLH was a 147 guy all his career and just outgrew that division when Floyd fought him. Plus DLH was past prime at 154 anyway. Its not comparable to SRL beating a career great 160 guy in halger. Plus Floyd was a CW with a green Canelo. Never took risks while moving up. In 30 years time as long as people know the reason GGG and Floyd never fought was all down to Floyd. We know GGG called Floyd out. :lol1::lol1::lol1: De La Hoya moved to 54 in 2001. Lol @ the rest of your post.

the "Little G" monicker is catchy lol its better to discuss about these things after GGG actually wins the canelo/cotto winner and ward comes out with a clean bill of health.

That doesn't explain why a guy who walks around at 170 refuses to face a guy at 168 and says he'll only face him at 164. To "exactly" explain this, a guy who walks around at 170, when he trains he loses a lot of weight. mind you when a professional trains, they train two to three times a day, obviously during training they will carry much less weight than 170. That's why they face him at 164. They are not going to just lose 2lbs of weight during a two month training camp.

Froch is better and more popular than any current smw champ. How do you know? He was probably better 3-4 years ago, but how do you know he's better than the current champions when the last time he fought was a year and a half ago? The man has already retired. Ward was willing to go through the trouble of making 168, a weight class he obviously outgrew during his long layoff, to fight GGG after a 19 months layoff and GGG still turned down that chance. The bar was set extremely low for GGG, I mean he had the chance of becoming the number 1 P4P fighter in world in 1 fight against a guys who's coming off a 19 months layoff and has trouble making 168, how much easier does it get? This was GGG's perfect chance and he blew it. Canelo, Cotto and the winner of Quillin Jacobs won't fight him, let him have a resume full of the Lemieuxs and the Andy Lees (Chavez Jr. leftover) of the world if that's what he and you guys want to, but don't ask other people for recognition if you're not daring to be great!

This is getting pathetic, double standards at it's very best.

I'm assuming you didn't read the original thread. I clearly said there's many roads to greatness. Now how is that discrediting anyone's legacy? Reading is fundamental. The fact is the people complainin about certain fighter moving up are discrediting great fighters like Willie Pep, Carlos Monzon, and Marvin Hagler. Maybe "discrediting" wasn't the right term for me to use, but you are "downplaying" what Oscar, Floyd, and Manny accomplished. You said fighters shouldn't get bonus points for growing up a weight class. My point is guys like Floyd and Manny outgrew their original weight classes, but they moved up 2 or 3 divisions higher than their natural weight. They really deserve those bonus points for having the balls to beat up bigger guys. I agree that there are many paths to greatness, but the guys you mentioned like Pep, Monzon and even Hagler fought in an older era, where there weren't as many weight classes. So boxers had to force themselves to stay at a smaller weight or move up and fight much bigger guys. That caused weight classes to be stacked with talent, so it wasn't very common for guys to move up. If Ward fought back then, he would have been at 175 is whole career. Pac and Mayweather probably would have never moved up past 135. In the modern era, it is a lot easier to move up and down a weight class. Discrediting fighters for not moving up in a sport with 17 weight classes isn't the same as discrediting fighters in an era with a lot less established weight classes. Criticism of today's fighters isn't relevant to fighters of the past or vice versa, the sport is very different now.

Floyd never grew out of any weight class other than 130. He simply moved up for money. . Floyd only fought guys who had outgrown divisions as well. DLH was a 147 guy all his career and just outgrew that division when Floyd fought him. Plus DLH was past prime at 154 anyway. Its not comparable to SRL beating a career great 160 guy in halger. Plus Floyd was a CW with a green Canelo. Never took risks while moving up. GGG never challenged Manny. Floyd has a title at 154 and GGG offered to come down to challenge for them. Mayweather had zero issues fighting the same sized Canelo. I see nothing wrong with that and two things aren't the same at all. In 30 years time as long as people know the reason GGG and Floyd never fought was all down to Floyd. We know GGG called Floyd out.

It really is. I can't remember if it was worse than Pacmania at it's height, but at least Pac had already accomplished greatness. I think it's worse. At least Pactards were backing a fighter who was an ATG. Plus, he had a lot of fans following him. Yet this small band of Little G's make more noise than those Pactards. Ridiculous.

The Little G nuthuggery on this site is ridiculous. It really is. I can't remember if it was worse than Pacmania at it's height, but at least Pac had already accomplished greatness.

Floyd never grew out of any weight class other than 130. He simply moved up for money. He sure as hell didn't grow up from 147 to 154, given the fact that he weighs 147 1 month before a 147 fight. Again, he simply moved up for big ppv fights. Pacquiao never grew out of 140, he moved up for money fights. GGG is staying at 160 waiting for money fights. He is not willing to fight Lara, or Ward or move up for anyone at 168 except money fights with Froch and Chavez Jr. He's a businessman, he claims otherwise, but he is a businessman not a "real fighter" as he claims. Not saying he's a fake fighter, just saying his fight anyone persona is fake, he'd fight only money guys and the only non money guys he'd fight are Stevens, Monroe, Lemiuex caliber fighters.

Damn ya'll hang on his fvcking nutts like he is a damn monster,why are ya'll so afraid for him to fight at 168?? He literally is chasing a retired Froch to fight at 168 but ya'll do not want him to fight anyone prime there?? why? Froch is better and more popular than any current smw champ.

Floyd can't make 140 anymore. He grew out the division. Not only can't he make 140, he needs an I.V. to make 147 !!!

Ward has grown out of 168, but continues to drag 168 lbers up in weight to fight him. He'll consider going back to 168, but only to fight a 160 lber. Do I have this straight?

And Manny did not out grow 135,he jumped up to 147 and dared to be great Floyd did not outgrown 140 he jumped up to 147 and 154 and dared to be great Agreed. One thing is certain...andre ward is not daring to be great. His hand is being forced by his inability to make 168 and the tune up parade is just sad for a so called elite fighter.

WTF???? GGG challenged fvcking Mayweather and Pacquiao..not only are they small as hell they are fvcking old GGG never challenged Manny. Floyd has a title at 154 and GGG offered to come down to challenge for them. Mayweather had zero issues fighting the same sized Canelo. I see nothing wrong with that and two things aren't the same at all.

Actually I think Pac could still make 135 and Mayweather could probably still make 140, even right now. Pac outgrew Featherweight and Mayweather outgree 130. But they chose to move up higher for legacy and money of course. That's all subjective and it depends on the era and competition in respective weight classes. Hagler was the man at MW, but moving up to 168 wouldn't have added to his legacy. Pac has 8 division titles, Mayweather has 5. Both pretty damn impressive. Both could have fought smaller guys their size, but chose to be better than just great. Look man, GGG is my favorite nowadays, but you shouldn't discredit legends like Oscar, Floyd, or Pac to make him look better. I'm assuming you didn't read the original thread. I clearly said there's many roads to greatness. Now how is that discrediting anyone's legacy? Reading is fundamental. The fact is the people complainin about certain fighter moving up are discrediting great fighters like Willie Pep, Carlos Monzon, and Marvin Hagler.

The Little G nuthuggery on this site is ridiculous.

They won't get it. Funny thing is their guy (Ward) a 168lb fighter is challenging a small guy (GGG) a 160lb fighter. And the funnier thing is Ward's supporters think it is a good thing, a big challenge a smaller guy. The funniest is Ward isn't fighting anytime soon and they still yap about how great Ward is. WTF???? GGG challenged fvcking Mayweather and Pacquiao..not only are they small as hell they are fvcking old

Fawking Larry you are all over the place bro. I lie u dude but seriously you are a fawking retard in this thread. Bro you didn't address my statement just hid behind 5 weightclasses. So many great boxers have said Floyd never dared to be great by fighting the best. They forgot more boxing than both you and I will ever know. You bewitching and complaining about how GGG fans are scared for him to move up 8 pounds But I don hear you complaining about Ward moving up 3 fawking pounds to fight Kovolev right now. You want GGG to move up right now o a weight class and fight the best in that weight class, when was the last time Floyd went up to fight the best at that weight on his first fight? That's right he never did. But you call him TBE? Ramble on about weight classes and titles. GGG is on his way to be the lineal MW champ he still has two belat to collect. It's kinda hypocritical of you to bag on titles yet your siggy is of a poosey with all his belts???? Floyds first fight at 135 was against the lineal champion...that was his 1st time moving up as this would be GGG's first time moving up..try again