Exposing the double standards, GGG & Ward.

Ward fought on BET because HBO rejected an opponent that they probably would celebrate for Golovkin. They're trying to keep Ward as far away from Golovkin as possible, even making him guarantee he'll fight Kovalev. GGG is safe to continue one of the biggest con acts in boxing. And yet he's still not the "superstar" you claim. Biggest Con acts in boxing? GGG is not an ATG. His record doesn't place him in the TOP10 or even TOP25 all-time middleweights but I wouldn't call someone who is destroying belt holders a con act. You don't like him? Ok. You think some people are making outrageous claims? Ok. He's simply the best middleweight since Bernard Hopkins (in my view), or at least the best middleweight since Martinez. Which means that he isn't a con job. Tyson Fury, for instance, may be a con job. We'll see after he fights Klitschko. If he's competitive, or wins, he's not a con job. Re GGG: he's middleweight champion of the f*ing world. How can that be a con job?

Yeah well maybe because it was half of the time and maybe because he actually "came off" or whatever you want to call it, his career best performance vs Chad Dawson. What data? :lol1: You have't presented any. You're just saying BET is not a traditional boxing channel. I said lots of channels weren't but that didn't stop them from getting good figures. Then you go on about their average rating. It's not at all the same, and it simply backs up the fact that Ward isn't a big draw and certainly not bigger than GGG, as is proven by the very fact that he actually fights on BET :lol1: It's like when Arreola was degraded from HBO to ESPN and got worse ratings. Yeah go figure, if you were a star you would have been on HBO. Now, despite all of that, if GGG was fighting on BET, guaranteed he'd draw in more than a measly 350k. And that's the bottom line. Also, HBO paid $3.15 for the license. Extremely poor and probably why he hasn't been on HBO since. Watch his next payday and watch GGGs. Ward fought on BET because HBO rejected an opponent that they probably would celebrate for Golovkin. They're trying to keep Ward as far away from Golovkin as possible, even making him guarantee he'll fight Kovalev. GGG is safe to continue one of the biggest con acts in boxing. And yet he's still not the "superstar" you claim.

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He was out a significant length of time before he fought Rodriguez on HBO which did 1.2 million. So how does that help your "theory"? Mine's not a theory. It's simple logic backed up by data. How much advertising was there for Ward fighting on BET? The average casual fan doesn't sit home on a Saturday and think "Hey I'll check out some boxing, better switch to BET!". It's the same principle as tuning into the Discovery Channel to find p0rn....although maybe that's what you're into. :ugh: I suppose you think Golovkin would do better on a channel like BET? Oh wait....you suddenly "wouldn't care" when the numbers came out just like you about his failed PPV which killed your previous "theory". :lol1: Yeah well maybe because it was half of the time and maybe because he actually "came off" or whatever you want to call it, his career best performance vs Chad Dawson. What data? :lol1: You have't presented any. You're just saying BET is not a traditional boxing channel. I said lots of channels weren't but that didn't stop them from getting good figures. Then you go on about their average rating. It's not at all the same, and it simply backs up the fact that Ward isn't a big draw and certainly not bigger than GGG, as is proven by the very fact that he actually fights on BET :lol1: It's like when Arreola was degraded from HBO to ESPN and got worse ratings. Yeah go figure, if you were a star you would have been on HBO. Now, despite all of that, if GGG was fighting on BET, guaranteed he'd draw in more than a measly 350k. And that's the bottom line. Also, HBO paid $3.15 for the license. Extremely poor and probably why he hasn't been on HBO since. Watch his next payday and watch GGGs.

Yes it did :lol1: It was an afternoon show on HBO and peaked at almost 1 million. That's very good. It's definitely possible it had an impact. Another theory could be that the guy just isn't very popular and since he hadn't fought in 2 years, people totally forgot about him and just don't care. But your theory sounds better. If people really wanted to watch Andre Ward, they would only do so if it was on HBO. No one wanted to watch it on BET because it's not a boxing channel :lol1: He was out a significant length of time before he fought Rodriguez on HBO which did 1.2 million. So how does that help your "theory"? Mine's not a theory. It's simple logic backed up by data. How much advertising was there for Ward fighting on BET? The average casual fan doesn't sit home on a Saturday and think "Hey I'll check out some boxing, better switch to BET!". It's the same principle as tuning into the Discovery Channel to find p0rn....although maybe that's what you're into. :ugh: I suppose you think Golovkin would do better on a channel like BET? Oh wait....you suddenly "wouldn't care" when the numbers came out just like you about his failed PPV which killed your previous "theory". :lol1:

But his fight with Murray didn't draw well You make excuses for that but Ward fighting on BET isn't a factor to lower ratings? Why do you keep implying that I'm saying Ward is a superstar? I've never said that. Neither of these guys are superstars. You're the only one whose used that term in reference to Golovkin. Then his PPV tanked and you suddenly "don't care" :lol1: Yes it did :lol1: It was an afternoon show on HBO and peaked at almost 1 million. That's very good. It's definitely possible it had an impact. Another theory could be that the guy just isn't very popular and since he hadn't fought in 2 years, people totally forgot about him and just don't care. But your theory sounds better. If people really wanted to watch Andre Ward, they would only do so if it was on HBO. No one wanted to watch it on BET because it's not a boxing channel :lol1:

Yeah when you take into account relevant factors such as that it was an afternoon fight held in Europe. Whereas LacedUp refuses to take in such factors as a fight being shown on BET OK but Bet is basic cable with 3x the reach of HBO. I get its a fringe channel but you'd expect more to tune in for his long awaited comeback, unless people didn't know or care

Murray did very well, I think hbos highest rating for a euro afternoon fight. Did much better than Froch Groves 2 at Wembley http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-murray-title-fight-big-hit-with-home-viewers--87787 Yeah when you take into account relevant factors such as that it was an afternoon fight held in Europe. Whereas LacedUp refuses to take in such factors as a fight being shown on BET

But his fight with Murray didn't draw well You make excuses for that but Ward fighting on BET isn't a factor to lower ratings? Why do you keep implying that I'm saying Ward is a superstar? I've never said that. Neither of these guys are superstars. You're the only one whose used that term in reference to Golovkin. Then his PPV tanked and you suddenly "don't care" :lol1: Murray did very well, I think hbos highest rating for a euro afternoon fight. Did much better than Froch Groves 2 at Wembley http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-murray-title-fight-big-hit-with-home-viewers--87787

Yeah if GGG could draw he would. Oh wait, he is. Consistently hitting HBO top figures for the past 2-3 years, whilst Ward is... forced to fight on BET in front of his familiy in the audience and friends on TV. #Superstar You think his 350k can be excused because of BET? You are living in dreamland if you think so my friend. Well, despite it being in Monaco and on an afternoon show on HBO and still pulled 3 times the amount Ward did on free cable TV :lol1: All down to BET doe But his fight with Murray didn't draw well You make excuses for that but Ward fighting on BET isn't a factor to lower ratings? Why do you keep implying that I'm saying Ward is a superstar? I've never said that. Neither of these guys are superstars. You're the only one whose used that term in reference to Golovkin. Then his PPV tanked and you suddenly "don't care" :lol1:

"But if GGG can draw, he should be able to draw" :lol1: You factor in things for Golovkin's fight with Murray but you don't factor in that Ward was fighting on BET. Much bigger draw? Again, his ratings on HBO have not been blowing Ward's away. They've been slightly higher and Ward hasn't even been fighting on the network. Yeah if GGG could draw he would. Oh wait, he is. Consistently hitting HBO top figures for the past 2-3 years, whilst Ward is... forced to fight on BET in front of his familiy in the audience and friends on TV. #Superstar You think his 350k can be excused because of BET? You are living in dreamland if you think so my friend. Well, despite it being in Monaco and on an afternoon show on HBO and still pulled 3 times the amount Ward did on free cable TV :lol1: All down to BET doe

You're confusing quality of opposition with road to stardom. They're completely different things. Ward is an American Olympic medal winner, was a highly ranked SMW and was involved in a Super 6, which made his career. Before the super 6, he was no better than Golovkin. If there was a MW version of the Super 6, and GGG beat Cotto/Canelo/Lee/Quillin/Lemieux, his popularity would be taking a big dump on Ward's right now. You can't possibly compare being an American to being from Kazakhstan. Ward stayed in his backyard and fought good competition. Golovkin came from a corrupt nation, moved to germany, had to deal with corrupt promoter (who protected Felix from him), then moved to the US. In order to generate the same amount of money as Ward got for fighting absolute garbage (Smith), Golovkin fought a current title holder on PPV. Ward has been served his career on a silver platter, Golovkin had to work for every damn thing he earned. While you're pulling those numbers out of your ass, anything else up there? Loeffler is on the record saying he hopes for 200k buys. A Sports Illustrated article published before the fight pegs the estimate at 150k-200k. According to HBO they were projecting over 300,000. It seems Chris Mannix was the only one with realistic expectations.

If you put it on regular HBO that means 0 profit? Are you an idiot? HBO gets money from it subscribers. PPV is a different form of generating a profit. Using your reasoning, if it got one buy on PPV that would be greater than putting on regular HBO. Trust me when I say this: Golovkins next fight will not be on PPV unless it is Cotto, Canelo, or Ward. Yeah it gets money from subscribers....doesn't mean they have $4 million to spend on one card... therefore they put it on HBO PPV to generate revenue to pay the fighters..see how that works? I'm the idiot ha?

Well of course it had an effect. But the time difference was obviously the main factor. Ward did 1.029 vs Rodriguez, not 1.2. And no that's not the same. Facts right now are that Ward bombed heavily on BET. Despite it being on BET, they still felt it bombed badly! I never said he was a PPV superstar :lol1: But he's a much bigger draw than Ward is right now. "But if GGG can draw, he should be able to draw" :lol1: You factor in things for Golovkin's fight with Murray but you don't factor in that Ward was fighting on BET. Much bigger draw? Again, his ratings on HBO have not been blowing Ward's away. They've been slightly higher and Ward hasn't even been fighting on the network.

No one said Ward was a draw. But fighting on BET is the equivalent of fighting on Babestation or something. No one would even expect boxing to be on there. GGG's ratings against Murray were poor but I suppose you're going to tell me that it being held in Monaco was a factor. I'll use your response - "If GGG can draw, he would draw" lol.... Ward has been inactive. He came back to fight Rodriguez with barely any promotion or fanfare but pulled one of the highest HBO ratings that year. 1.2 against Rodriguez and 1.3 against Dawson have been his last two HBO fights. Golovkin has started to pull in 1.3/1.4 type ratings. There's no need to cook the books, he's never done a 1.6. Is that really "crapping on" Ward in the ratings? Not quite. Then when you factor in the different levels and type of hype they receive, it actually makes the numbers virtually dead even. Plus now Golovkin has disproved your theory of him being a PPV superstar and we have what should be a 50/50 fight. Well of course it had an effect. But the time difference was obviously the main factor. Ward did 1.029 vs Rodriguez, not 1.2. And no that's not the same. Facts right now are that Ward bombed heavily on BET. Despite it being on BET, they still felt it bombed badly! I never said he was a PPV superstar :lol1: But he's a much bigger draw than Ward is right now.

It's a two way street. HBO decided to pay Ward something like $2m to face Rodriguez. You lost me - what does HBO/Rodriguez purse from 2 years ago have to do with what you bolded?

By that definition the only way to compare Ward's popularity against Floyd's is to take Ward's HBO numbers from 3 years and Floyd's numbers pre-PPV. It's ridiculous. Fighting on BET is telling in itself. If you disagree, you're deluding yourself worse than Ward is. It's a two way street. HBO decided to pay Ward something like $2m to face Rodriguez.

That's only comparable if Golovkin fights on BET or some similar channel. The HBO data is there and as I said, GGG hasn't exactly blown Ward out of the water and with his PPV flopping, he's not really in any position to say he's a "clear A-side". By that definition the only way to compare Ward's popularity against Floyd's is to take Ward's HBO numbers from 3 years and Floyd's numbers pre-PPV. It's ridiculous. Fighting on BET is telling in itself. If you disagree, you're deluding yourself worse than Ward is.

... no it's not. The most recent available data has Ward fighting on a non-boxing channel and getting 300k viewers. We're not gonna compare Ward's ratings from 3 years ago to another fighter's this year. That's ridiculous. What are you gonna do next, say that Joe Frazier's ratings from 70 years ago are better than Rohan's Murdock in 2015? That's only comparable if Golovkin fights on BET or some similar channel. The HBO data is there and as I said, GGG hasn't exactly blown Ward out of the water and with his PPV flopping, he's not really in any position to say he's a "clear A-side".

Gifted a career? WTF? How long have you been watching the sport? I wasn't clear - Ward was a highly ranked fighter who got into Super 6 and made himself a career out of it. I'm not demeaning his opposition in the slightest - he fought tough fighters. But these fighters were contractually obligated to fight him in the Super 6. Virtually everyone else has to jump through hoops to secure a match with big names, from waiting for months to make up their minds,to ducks, to dealing with CW demands. That is what I mean he was 'gifted a career'. Like I said before, imagine if Golovkin was contracted to fight all the top MWs in 2013. Ward won the f'n lottery, and all he did since Super 6 is piss his career down the drain. It's the only available data to compare. Golovkin hasn't exactly been blowing Ward's ratings out of the water in those 3 years like LacedUp would have you believe. Ward seems to be a bit of a black sheep at the moment. They want to keep him as far away from Golden Goose Golovkin as possible to protect that hype train. Do you really think HBO would reject Golovkin-Paul Smith? It would be consistent with Golovkin's overall level of opponent. ... no it's not. The most recent available data has Ward fighting on a non-boxing channel and getting 300k viewers. We're not gonna compare Ward's ratings from 3 years ago to another fighter's this year. That's ridiculous. What are you gonna do next, say that Joe Frazier's ratings from 70 years ago are better than Rohan's Murdock in 2015?