When Floyd was fighting on HBO, the 24/7-Team were once filming when USADA turned up to get a urine test from Floyd. Floyd tried to get rid of the 24/7-Team but they decided to hang around and film everything. What happened was that Floyd was given the opportunity to take epitestosterone cream to balance out his testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio, and then USADA waited for five hours before they took the test from Floyd. Waiting five hours guaranteed that the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio had been lowered to a legal value.
Floyd and Al Haymon were of course very upset that the 24/7-Team caught Floyd cheating, so when Floyd moved to Showtime he decided to be the producer of All Access. That meant that Floyd had authority to stop All Access from filming as soon as USADA turned up.
However, just like Thomas Hauser wrote in his article, the masking technique of using epitestosterone cream often produces abnormally low T-E ratio since it is difficult to balance the outcome. So Floyd's abnormal results had to be hidden by USADA. USADA has clearly been an active protector of Floyd's doping. This is also proven by Nevada State Athletic Commission who also did two tests on Floyd and these two lab reports were reported this year and both had abnormal results, showing clear traces of manipulation of the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio.
USADA has clearly supported Floyd's doping by letting him take epitestosterone cream and then waiting many hours for the T-E ratio to become legal. Then USADA has hidden Floyd's abnormal test results, which Nevada State Athletic Commission's two tests show.
Just like Lance Armstrong, Floyd has also used illegal EPO to increase his stamina in fights. Cheating athletes use illegal EPO to boost red blood cell counts, a change that temporarily supercharges endurance by increasing muscles' oxygen-carrying capacity. The most powerful masking agent to hide this doping is with the IV just before the test. Armstrong did this many times, and a former Armstrong teammate once explained that a team doctor smuggled a bag of saline directly past an International Cycling Union tester, inside his raincoat, and delivered it to Armstrong just in time to cheat an EPO test. Floyd and Lance used exactly the same masking techniques to hide their EPO doping.
That USADA let Floyd take the IV before their EPO test is shocking, especially since everyone knows that this is the illegal masking technique that Lance Armstrong used to hide his illegal EPO doping. NSAC should definitely punish Floyd for the illegal use of the IV, just like Lance Armstrong would have been punished if he had been caught taking the IV. They should also demand all of Floyd's tests through the years to be retested with CIR. USADA, however, is obviously as corrupt as corrupt can be.
red flags after red flags.
Dude you really need to find something better to do with your life...you have that much time in a day to sit here and search and Bump OLD...VERY OLD Threads. Very Disturbing Honestly! How can someone still be this obsessed years later? Once Again...LET IT GO! You're accomplishing absolutely NOTHING doing this honestly
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a lot of this is going on now :lol1:
Time to let go his career is over now so time to start talking about other fighters
red flags after red flags.
I think it's conclusive that he has been cheating for years.
With all the evidenced that are popping out recently there's no doubt that floyd was on PEDS.
FloIV didn't pick USADA without giving floyd the benefits.
TBE = Testosterone below epitestosterone. Now we know the true meaning of what Froid's groupies were shouting ringside at Froid-Maidana 1. :lol1:
NSAC refused to investigate because it's not illegal to have saline IV's under their rules.
Mayweather followed the rules of USADA and WADA and an independent panel of doctors approved the TUE. These medical professionals examined the evidence and found Mayweather did nothing wrong. I'll take their opinion over people that know nothing.
You will take their opinion that Mayweather did nothing wrong but you will not accept Floyd's word that Pacquiao did nothing wrong.
In a statement the Mayweathers said: 'We wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs, nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.'
The direction of the case took a turn against Floyd Mayweather Jnr last week, when the judge issued a ruling ordering him to pay £70,000 in legal fees and costs for avoiding questioning under oath from Pacquiao's lawyers.
You might be a half decent poster If you weren't biased.
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Floyd had TE ratios well below 1 while having free testosterone at the high end of normal, well beyond normal for a man his age. High end of "normal", normal as generously defined for an athlete in their 20s not late 30s, free testosterone. BTW excessive training of boxing should lower free testosterone not raise it. WADA doesn't have a low limit for TE ratios so there is no normal. TE ratios well below 1 are abnormal. Its either a sign of a major endocrine issue or the masking of testosterone.
There is only one explanation for two tests showing high end of normal free testosterone and a T/E ratio well below 1. The use of exogenous epitestosterone to mask the use of exogenous testosterone. Short of a major endocrine problem that would preclude Mayweather from being a professional fighter there is no other explanation for the results of those drug tests.
There are a few medical conditions that can cause a low T/E ratio. But those conditions also cause low testosterone. Floyds tests showed high end of normal free testosterone. To my knowledge there is no natural condition that can cause both high end of normal testosterone and even higher epitestosterone. If Floyd had a real medical condition that caused a low T/E ratio he could never be a professional fighter. People who have such conditions are fat and lethargic.
I think people don't understand a lot of **** about working out on the level elite athletes work out on. You don't gotta do a lot of looking into dehydration to see that its some easy **** to get & get diagnosed with on the elite athlete who works out like Mayweather does. If you do just a little looking into this you will see that there can even be a gradual lean towards dehydration over time. It doesn't have to be one "insane workout". Floyd runs alot. Dehydration is common in people who do a lot of endurance work. I think Floyd's workouts are endurance workouts compared to most boxers. I see guys training who'll spend 15mins messing around while going from one station to the next. Floyd workouts are extremely fluid & active straight thru.
And mainly with this, believing dehydration or not doesn't change the fact IV's don't give you magic superpowers & if you are being tested before its usage, as Floyd was & keeps being ignored or denied by those without reading capabilities, its a extremely ineffective masking agent.
*drops mic on this topic* cuz its yawn inducing at this point rehashing the same topics people don't seem capable of grasping (ie even if you think the dehydration situation is sketchy it doesn't change the facts we have about how things went down or make your worse assumptions true, if other things come to light in the future that changes how things could've went down fair enough, but you can't act like 1+1 = 7 just cuz its Mayweather & not come off like a guy not making huge jumps in assumptions with the known facts)
The reason the topic comes up is because most people are a bit more skeptical than you are. The "facts" that we have all come from USADA or Mayweather.
The NSAC refused to investigate because they accept Floyd's version.
So with unanswered questions we're left with a vacuum and people will fill it with speculation. Some fans are interested in getting answers (unlike the boxing establishment, who want to get on with the real work of selling their product).
So what do you define as extreme dehydration for Floyd. He was walking around at about 151. He weighed in at 146.
I'm using medical definitions here. You are trying to apply your own definitions.
You just don't have the answers, and you're attempting to twist things to suit your agenda.
And yes I agree if Floyd was suffering from extreme dehydration it would have been impossible for him to fight the next day. Hence, he was not suffering from extreme dehydration and as such violated WADA rules by taking an IV for re-hydration purposes.
Thank you for proving my case.
According to Hauser, Floyd was 148 two weeks before the fight.
I think people don't understand a lot of **** about working out on the level elite athletes work out on. You don't gotta do a lot of looking into dehydration to see that its some easy **** to get & get diagnosed with on the elite athlete who works out like Mayweather does. If you do just a little looking into this you will see that there can even be a gradual lean towards dehydration over time. It doesn't have to be one "insane workout". Floyd runs alot. Dehydration is common in people who do a lot of endurance work. I think Floyd's workouts are endurance workouts compared to most boxers. I see guys training who'll spend 15mins messing around while going from one station to the next. Floyd workouts are extremely fluid & active straight thru.
And mainly with this, believing dehydration or not doesn't change the fact IV's don't give you magic superpowers & if you are being tested before its usage, as Floyd was & keeps being ignored or denied by those without reading capabilities, its a extremely ineffective masking agent.
*drops mic on this topic* cuz its yawn inducing at this point rehashing the same topics people don't seem capable of grasping (ie even if you think the dehydration situation is sketchy it doesn't change the facts we have about how things went down or make your worse assumptions true, if other things come to light in the future that changes how things could've went down fair enough, but you can't act like 1+1 = 7 just cuz its Mayweather & not come off like a guy not making huge jumps in assumptions with the known facts)
Look Panda, you are talking to someone that knows about workouts and endurance. There is a difference between requiring fluids because you had a good or intense workout and someone needing medical assistance that requires an IV.
Remember that this IV happened after the weigh in.
Can we agree to the following? Right?
- By then there are no longer any intense workouts.
- Even before then, workouts have tapered off substantially.
- Floyd had not given blood in 10 days.
- Giving urine does not dehydrate you.
- Floyd can and admitted to making 147 EASILY.
- Floyd is a very experienced gym rat.
So taking all of the above into account, then there would be no reason to get an IV after the weigh in. NONE!
Ask yourself this. Why get an IV then and not when the above points that I listed above actually did occur?
i bet Floyd fans would accept Floyd been a big welterweight long time ago and that's the reason why he don't want to be weighed on fight night than accept Floyd was not dehydrated and that 750 ml was used to mask his PEDs.
Of course they would they believe anything he says
Can anyone post that info from Victor Contenwhere gin states that the amount of fluids Floyd took was more for someone who had lost about 10 to 15 lbs ..
i bet Floyd fans would accept Floyd been a big welterweight long time ago and that's the reason why he don't want to be weighed on fight night than accept Floyd was not dehydrated and that 750 ml was used to mask his PEDs.
Can anyone post that info from Victor Contenwhere gin states that the amount of fluids Floyd took was more for someone who had lost about 10 to 15 lbs ..