Max Kellerman on ESPN on Mayweather ABNORMALLY LOW T/E Ratio plus USADA vs. VADA

lol Hell no. He dodged Floyd test. The agency FLOYD wanted to use. Floyds rules. And look why!!! Manny NEVER got caught. Floyd did. Manny was only specualted by his haters. Floyd as well. Floyds cherry picking. Boring fighter. Fights scared. Coward. Is all things he will be remebered for...No lol a Cheat to to top it off on his farewell to boxing.... That's the difference between floyd and pac. Floyd got caught and the media cover up floyd, Pac got an amazing performance in a fight and they accuse pac on peds.

dude, stop the bait and switch BS. you asked why Haymon doesn't work with VADA, I gave you an answer and then pointed out that a number of other promotional/managing en****** in boxing have also moved away from VADA. I am all for catching dirty fighters. except floyd....

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Earlier today on ESPN Radio Max and Marcellus http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?id=13627009 Max talks about Floyd's Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio. Avg white man 1.2 to 1 T/E. Avg. black man 1.3 to 1 T/E. WADA allows athletes to have T/E ratio as high as 4.0 to 1. Floyd's T/E in previous tests was 0.69 to 1 and 0.8 to 1. Low ratio of T/E is a red flag for PED use because it indicates "MASKING" to hide/lower high testosterone levels. wow This so fucking big RED FLAG. This is only possible if the person is on something.

There's no more evidence that Mayweather was using PEDs there is for Pac. That's never stopped fans from jumping to conclusions before. Those people I would definitely not want on my jury BTW.

Floyd is such a fugging cheat, its so obvious. A great model for Africans.

It seems boxing/fighting long term wrecks you T levels whether you have juiced or not...It's probably a combination of constant stress (training, fighting, being in the public spotlight 24/7) and damage taken to the head (Testosterone is produced in the adrenal cortex) and getting punched in the head for years and years can't help....Getting KO'ed probably hurts your hormonal production aswell.... Most Boxers/MMA fighters probably have above average natural testosterone levels originally (it's the drive that makes them want to beat up and compete with other man in combat), but after years and years of constant stress and damage to the body their T levels are constantly suppressed and eventually go down a huge amount....Stress destroys your T levels... Same is probably true of NFL players.... The human body is not designed to fight continuously for years and years like boxers/mma fighters do... Floyds testosterone was on the high end of normal in the bloodwork given in the report. The only thing we can tell from his bloodwork was that this epitestosterone was very high. This cant be easily explained it should be around 1.3-1. I'd very much like to see his bloodwork from the post IV test. Since we know that the got 500ml of saline just before the test we should be able get a very good approximation of his real free testosterone levels when we account for the thinning of the blood. Dollars to donuts he is over the limit. lI don't think these "Low testosterone" tests found on 30+ year old fighters prove that a fighter was juicing Again Floyd did not have low testosterone. His free testosterone was on the high end of normal. Floyd had abnormally high levels of epitestosterone which indicates the use of epitestosterone to mask the taking of artificial testosterone. And you are right an athlete of Floyd's age should be seeing lower levels of testosterone which is why his high end of normal testosterone is very suspicious.

So the CIR is not as important as Max is stressing then? Because Jones levels were crazy low and if he uses what you stated above he could still pass a CIR. No its not. It simply catches most prescription testosterone which is synthesized form soy phytosterol. If you are paying a chemist someone to synthesize it for you like oh I dont know Memo Heredia they can synthesize it from cholesterol which will not be detected by the CIR test. All the CIR test is looking for is if the testosterone was synthesized form phytosterol or cholesterol.

I finally heard a portion of Kellerman. I'll use this example of Jon Jones...his levels are lower than Floyds, yet the CIR showed he was clean.....so what does that mean? It means his testosterone was synthesized from cholesterol rather than phytosterols from soy. One thing a lot of people are missing including those demanding VADA testing is that the CIR test is easily beaten. Testosterone can be synthesized from cholesterol just as the body does. It simply costs more. Most prescription testosterone is synthesized from phytosterols because its cheaper. There is no need to use the more expensive processes of synthesizing from cholesterol. However, if you are rich athlete it pays to pay the premium for cholesterol based testosterone because it is undetectable with CIR.

Oh really? Cool, link please, that'd be some interesting reading. Can't seem to find it on my own and I've been searching a while. He always wears his Floyd goggles when he posts.

Get the FBi involved .. federal investigation on this cheater.

That test is to determine the ratio and yes it does quantify... https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4037622/SBN_scan__1.0.jpeg That is not a cir test my friend. That test can detect hormones, not if they are natural or synthetic. That one quantifies the amount in the system, and is easily fooled. Which is why the cir test is better. It can tell if there is artificial testosterone present.

Earlier today on ESPN Radio Max and Marcellus http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?id=13627009 Max talks about Floyd's Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio. Avg white man 1.2 to 1 T/E. Avg. black man 1.3 to 1 T/E. WADA allows athletes to have T/E ratio as high as 4.0 to 1. Floyd's T/E in previous tests was 0.69 to 1 and 0.8 to 1. Low ratio of T/E is a red flag for PED use because it indicates "MASKING" to hide/lower high testosterone levels. What do u think of floyd testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in his last fight.

I bet Floyd Sr next little rhyme is..... "My son hugged My son clinched He cried to the ref when he was in a pinch. He used the ring and was good on his feet, and in the end, He was nothing but a cheat!!! " :lol1: :lol1:

hahaha. bad news everywhere to froid fans. hahaha

http://boxingtribune-news.com/posts/...candal-proves- the-deck-was-stacked-against-manny-pacquiao-in-mega-fight--mayweather-iv-scandal-proves-it.html By Dennis Cruz Recent revelations are giving us a clear picture of the type of uneven playing field Manny Pacquiao faced when he met Floyd Mayweather last May 2 in the biggest money fight of all-time. A report by veteran boxing writer Thomas Hauser alleges that Mayweather was discovered receiving a prohibited intravenous procedure in his home after the May 1 weigh-in and that he was given a medical exemption for the procedure by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) almost three weeks after the bout. Pacquiao and his team were also only notified about three weeks after the fight that Mayweather had undergone the IV treatment. Now, while there’s the possibility that the IV treatment could’ve been used to mask or dilute a banned substance in Mayweather’s body, there’s also the possibility that the two intravenous mixes of saline and vitamins were just there to help the fighter rehydrate. But the real troubling aspect of this whole mess is that it shows how hostile the atmosphere was for Manny Pacquiao. It’s clear that the Filipino icon was put at every possible disadvantage while Mayweather did as he pleased, when he pleased, with complete and total impunity. While USADA tripped all over themselves to accommodate Mayweather’s borderline illicit intravenous practices—after the fact—the same agency nixed Pacquiao’s request for a pain-killing injection of Toradol for his ailing shoulder prior to the bout, citing paper work issues and a lack of time to properly investigate the requested drug. One wonders what would’ve happened had Pacquiao taken the shot without asking permission and whether the agency would’ve been as accommodating of after-the-fact medical exemptions when the request was coming from Pacquiao. Information in Hauser’s article shows us just how stacked the deck was against Pacquiao when it came to the overall testing protocol—allowing Mayweather loopholes and possibilities to game the system at will. From drug testing to all the minor details of the fight, Pacquiao was working at an extreme disadvantage throughout the entire ordeal. Add an injured shoulder to the mix and one has to marvel at how close Pacquiao was actually able to keep this fight. In the wake of these latest revelations of IV wrongdoing, Manny Pacquiao has publicly said that he now feels “vindicated” after years of being accused as the one playing dirty. Meanwhile, promoter Bob Arum is checking as to whether the pursuit of an overturning of the decision would be worth the effort. All in all, though, it’s becoming clear that the entire game was rigged against Manny Pacquiao before he even stepped foot in the ring last May 2. It’s a shame, but maybe we all should’ve seen this coming.

The top fighters don't get tired. You hardly hear that tiredness is what makes them lose. I would not be surprised if they all cheated and cycled off drugs or something different to perform better. They wouldn't take things if they didn't. In fact I would not be surprised if all the past greats cheated

I don't think so...I think you're referring to this... Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports explains: Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said all terms had been agreed upon when Mayweather demanded random Olympic-style blood and urine testing to scan for performance enhancing drugs. Arum said he recalls the date as being around Dec. 10, 2009, though he said he isn't certain. That type of testing was not being done in boxing at the time and Arum said he, trainer Freddie Roach and Pacquiao were ignorant of what it entailed. After much back and forth, Pacquiao ultimately declined to participate in the testing. ... "Manny said there had to be a period of time before the fight where they will stop the testing. We negotiated that and we had an agreement on that and Mayweather walked away from it." That part was well-documented. What slipped through the cracks to a degree was that Pacquiao and Mayweather were actually randomly tested by the Nevada State Athletic Commission during the negotiations. But Keith Kizer, then the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, didn't give up hope. He ordered surprise urine tests on both men, which were taken on Dec. 30, 2009. Both men passed the surprise tests, though they did not test blood or perform a carbon isotope ratio test on either man. That was a false start to the what never came off in 2009. Kellerman was adamant that no CIR test were done when Mayweather's IV should have been a red flag for the 2015 fight. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/4/28/8508385/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-randomly-drug-tested-2009-boxing-news According to records provided by the Nevada Athletic Commisison, each man gave 11 urine and eight blood samples. Among the special analyses given to the samples were Carbon Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (CIR/IRMS) testing as well as tests to detect usage of EPO and human growth hormone. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-pass-all-drug-tests-182400390.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw I think Max Kellerman might be in the wrong on this one. EDIT: I am specifically discussing the testing for Mayweather/Pacquiao, this does not prove anything about how any other fights were tested.

Originally Yes....but after a long brutal 10-20 year career...No Stress/Damage to the brain kills your Testosterone and overall hormonal production...And no sports involves more of those 2 (Stress and Brain Damage) than Boxing/MMA..... I don't think these "Low testosterone" tests found on 30+ year old fighters prove that a fighter was juicing...It just proves that getting punched in the head for a living and being under extreme stress is not a healthy thing for ones boy.... The Human Body is not designed for long term combat over a span of 10+ years.... LMAO so are Froid dick riders now spewing the BS that Froid is some ring warrior who goes toe-to-toe and stands and trades punches with his opponent thereby causing him so much stress and brain damage to have that much low testosterone? This is comedic gold! I thought Froid was one of the boxers that hasn't taken that much hits from his opponents? Not to mention that he also took a break in-between his career to fake "retire" just to avoid his competition? And yet he still took so much damage from that? LOL!

Originally Yes....but after a long brutal 10-20 year career...No Stress/Damage to the brain kills your Testosterone and overall hormonal production...And no sports involves more of those 2 (Stress and Brain Damage) than Boxing/MMA..... I don't think these "Low testosterone" tests found on 30+ year old fighters prove that a fighter was juicing...It just proves that getting punched in the head for a living and being under extreme stress is not a healthy thing for ones boy.... The Human Body is not designed for long term combat over a span of 10+ years.... Sounds like a good read. Link please!