Porter easily, much more game and doesn't go sloppy late fight like Provodnikov
Porter doesn't get put off by light punchers too
Which is the reason Khan will go for Provodnikov
I think Ruslan is the bigger risk. No doubt Porter's better and would make life rough on Khan, but I have a hard time imagining his offense being enough. Khan would land the cleaner punches and since Porter doesn't hit particularly hard, Khan should manage.
Provodnikov hits hard enough to take Khan out at any moment from the first bell to the last. He's also an absolutely relentless fighter. At some point he will touch Khan with that power.
Since when do you have to hit hard to take Khan out?
Also, Porter hits more than hard enough to take Khan clean out.
I think Ruslan is the bigger risk. No doubt Porter's better and would make life rough on Khan, but I have a hard time imagining his offense being enough. Khan would land the cleaner punches and since Porter doesn't hit particularly hard, Khan should manage.
Provodnikov hits hard enough to take Khan out at any moment from the first bell to the last. He's also an absolutely relentless fighter. At some point he will touch Khan with that power.
The one... And only problem with Provodnikov is his inability to throw punches when trying to catch an opponent. His style is perfect for coming forward against a fast mover like Khan but would he throw at the correct time? If Provodnikov were to get the right offensive trainer like Jackson, I believe he would put Khan within 4!!! With out that it's just a matter of when, would Khans chin fold.
Porter would rough up Khan but I Porters punchs are often too Telegraphed and wide/looping which I give Khan; he would toy with with his length. Porter for having such a long amateur background I'm surprised he was never taught to tighten his punchs but the a loopy like Pascals. Which can be countered easily.
Khan wouldn't be able to do it anyway. And I'm not so sure Shawn has learned that much. He was held up by Broner quite a lot during their fight. Broner is a weak welterweight.
Most likely the same would happen if he stepped in with Brook again, but Brook would just win even more decisively.
Broner is fairly physically strong and he tried holding Porter excessively but Porter bulled through and kept working.
There is nothing Porter can learn
If someone tall is clinching you and the ref is siding with the clincher, there aint much you can do, apart for get frustrated
Madiana didnt learn shart from the Devon loss...throw him in the ring with Devon again and it will be the same outcome
Clinchers get away with clinching because the ref allows it..If Brook wasnt allowed to clinch so much, Porter wud have more than likely won..but most refs seem to allow clinching these days.
See how when Broner clinched Maidana and Maidana turned into a raging bull? That's how. Name one spot in the 10 frames of the Devon fight Maidana was a bull in the clinch.
how do you stop someone from clinching you? it takes a ton of explosive energy to try and free yourself when someone has your arms locked. staying on the outside is one way but that means a certain loss for a much smaller fighter. you can also try to throw them out of the ring dawson-hopkins style but more than likely porter would be dq'd since he's the b-side. we saw this same thing happen in ward-rodriguez when rodriguez was trying to fight through the clinches and the ref was like "i'm gonna take your purse!" unfortunately the only one who can truly stop it is the ref but he's always on the take with these cowardly a-side fighters who do it.
Exactly, Porter laid in the clinch a bit too much against Brook, but was ready for that tactic against Broner, and worked his way through it.
Porter has the physicality and stamina to be a bull in there, he just didn't have the right game plan/frame of mind against Brook.
I never saw much boxing, all i saw was a **** load of holding
Brook stank the place up like Pepé Le Pew
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/340/a/8/pepe_le_pew_by_matthewhunter-d4id2on.jpg
Then you need to watch again.
FYI Queer Khan held double the amount of times against Collazo.
Because when they were actually boxing, Porter got the better of Brook right? :lol1:
smh
I never saw much boxing, all i saw was a **** load of holding
Brook stank the place up like Pepé Le Pew
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/340/a/8/pepe_le_pew_by_matthewhunter-d4id2on.jpg
There is nothing Porter can learn
If someone tall is clinching you and the ref is siding with the clincher, there aint much you can do, apart for get frustrated
Madiana didnt learn shart from the Devon loss...throw him in the ring with Devon again and it will be the same outcome
Clinchers get away with clinching because the ref allows it..If Brook wasnt allowed to clinch so much, Porter wud have more than likely won..but most refs seem to allow clinching these days.
Because when they were actually boxing, Porter got the better of Brook right? :lol1:
smh
Porter will have learned from his loss to Brook, just like Maidana learned from his loss to Devon
He will not allow Khan to clinch him..Porter would bedetermined to rule the inside.
There's a reason Prov was chosen for consideration and not Porter
how do you stop someone from clinching you? it takes a ton of explosive energy to try and free yourself when someone has your arms locked. staying on the outside is one way but that means a certain loss for a much smaller fighter. you can also try to throw them out of the ring dawson-hopkins style but more than likely porter would be dq'd since he's the b-side. we saw this same thing happen in ward-rodriguez when rodriguez was trying to fight through the clinches and the ref was like "i'm gonna take your purse!" unfortunately the only one who can truly stop it is the ref but he's always on the take with these cowardly a-side fighters who do it.
Porter will have learned from his loss to Brook, just like Maidana learned from his loss to Devon
He will not allow Khan to clinch him..Porter would bedetermined to rule the inside.
There's a reason Prov was chosen for consideration and not Porter
There is nothing Porter can learn
If someone tall is clinching you and the ref is siding with the clincher, there aint much you can do, apart for get frustrated
Madiana didnt learn shart from the Devon loss...throw him in the ring with Devon again and it will be the same outcome
Clinchers get away with clinching because the ref allows it..If Brook wasnt allowed to clinch so much, Porter wud have more than likely won..but most refs seem to allow clinching these days.
Porter. His footspeed is underrated and would prevent Khan from staying away from him. His workrate would be enough to steal rounds and we've seen Khan struggle with pressure guys before. Porter is also far stronger physically than Provodnikov.
Also, if Algieri and Lucas are outboxing Provo with ease, you can beat Khan will.
Exactly, Khan will be able to backpeddle away from Provodnikovs short arms and wide punches all night. Porters pressure is more educated and he moves better then Russlan.
Khan beats both guys but Porter would have a better chance to get the win IMO...
Porter is faster, more athletic, & most importantly Shawn is a better conditioned fighter...Ruslan could have possibly gotten to Lucas late but didn't have the energy to capitalize in the championship rounds...Also Porter executes distance fights far better than Provodnikov...
Porter will have learned from his loss to Brook, just like Maidana learned from his loss to Devon
He will not allow Khan to clinch him..Porter would bedetermined to rule the inside.
There's a reason Prov was chosen for consideration and not Porter
Khan wouldn't be able to do it anyway. And I'm not so sure Shawn has learned that much. He was held up by Broner quite a lot during their fight. Broner is a weak welterweight.
Most likely the same would happen if he stepped in with Brook again, but Brook would just win even more decisively.
Porter. He's just a much better fighter than Provodnikov. He can do everything Provodnikov can do, plus much more. Provo probably hits a bit harder but Porter is physically a lot bigger and stronger and would be harder to clinch, also he could keep up with Khan cos he's got quick feet and is an all round good boxer.
If Khan vs Provo goes the distance, you know Khan has won. If Khan vs Porter goes the distance, there's a good chance Porter has outworked him imo.
Yeah this is my view more or less.
Provo has some big time punching power for a guy his size, but I just don't see much from him that suggests to me that he'll be able to get those punches in on Khan. This is a bad fight stylistically for both Provo and Porter but the latter is still the much more proven (beat Broner clearly, and while he might be more suited for 140 is still a guy with good reach and good speed) and the naturally larger of the two, whereas Provo, though he has never been dominated on points, has had a few fights where he was outboxed for extended periods of the fight and Khan has all the tools and the size/reach to possibly do that to Provo the entire 12 rounds.
Ultimately, Provo not really winning any rounds is not out of the question but might have him hurt at some point and can win if he capitalizes on it, but Porter seems like a guy who could win either way (though he should not go in with the expectation of getting a stoppage) and I imagine will at the very least be competitive.
Khan is tall and rangy, he will clinch Porter to diffuse him
Porter will have learned from his loss to Brook, just like Maidana learned from his loss to Devon
He will not allow Khan to clinch him..Porter would bedetermined to rule the inside.
There's a reason Prov was chosen for consideration and not Porter
Dunno, Lucas looked untouchable early in that fight but by the 7th round, there were MULTIPLE times where I was amazed that Lucas didn't get KTFO by Ruslan's overhand left. He got worn down due to the punishment he had taken as the fight went on. I mean, he definitely outboxed Ruslan but it didn't look easy and it certainly didn't look painless.
If Ruslan landed just one of the lefts that he landed on Matthysse on Khan's chin.....I can't see Khan withstanding that. In fact, I think he would get knocked out cold seeing as how Algieri had him wobbled a few times.
I thought if it had gone on for a couple of more rounds, Lucas would have gotten stopped.
His stamina is questionable and his sharp punches faded midway through.