the guy is OK, Im not taking away credit where its due, but he wouldnt last 6 rounds with Hagler and Hearns would ice him in 4 rounds tops.
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I think that GGG would probably beat Duran by tko in the later rounds after a frustrating first three rounds with Duran slipping some off GGG's jabs and going to the body. Eventually I think GGG starts to get his jab going in round 4 and probably hurting him around round rd 7 and eventually getting the stoppage in the next couple of rounds after Duran starts to get back in the fight. I think the size advantage coupled with his skills & sheer power is too much too overcome for a very game Duran.
Next Hearns & GGG I feel would play out very similar to Hagler/Hearns in terms of only going three rounds and being fast paced. I believe that Hearns comes right out the corner full speed & power and basically whoops the hell out of GGG the first round without seriously hurting to say while GGG puts up a tight guard throwing the occasional left hook counter. In the corner Abel yells at GGG to jab with Hearns and throw with him making sure he's alway active even in his footwork. Steward tells Hearns to use his speed this round and not gett overcarried because he thinks GGG is going to be looking to end it with one punch. Half through round 2 I see Hearns and GGG start to exchange heavy shots until Hearns gets clipped with one and backs off boxing off the backfoot for the rest of the round. Round 3 Steward tells Hearns too not give up too much ground because it will only encourage GGG. Abel tells GGG that he needs to bait Hearns into a fight and hurt him good enough. Hearns controls the center early on with his speed until GGG times him with a right hand that shakes Hearns up a little. He stalks him and Hearms starts to throw everything everything at GGG and they begin to exchange again hurting eachother ns until Hearns gets caught with a hook ala Khan/Garcia and the ref waves it off after Hearns is shown to not his legs under him.
Now from what I've sen so far I have to favor Hagler over GGG in what would be a fight for the ages. I see it being a middleweight version of Pacquiao/Marquez II with one of them being hurt bad and knocked down once towards the end of a round. I see Hagler winning the decision by 2 rounds with a few rematches down the road until one of them gets the knockout.
I would pick Hearns over GGG but don't think Hearns chin could withstand GGG's power if he got caught. Hagler and SRL would beat him easily IMO.
I agree with this post. Hearns/GGG not obvious which is the favorite but I don't have any reason yet to believe that Hagler or SRL wouldn't dominate GGG. I mean there is still time for GGG to change my mind but as of right now I don't see GGG beating them.
Duran/GGG would be asking a LOT from Duran. GGG has fought almost 400 times without being knocked down, I don't know if Duran could hurt him as much as he did Iran Barkley. So without any disrespect to the much more accomplished Duran, I'd favor GGG in that matchup. It would be a tough ass fight though.
the guy is OK, Im not taking away credit where its due, but he wouldnt last 6 rounds with Hagler and Hearns would ice him in 4 rounds tops.
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I would pick Hearns over GGG but don't think Hearns chin could withstand GGG's power if he got caught. Hagler and SRL would beat him easily IMO.
Hearns could get KOd, I think it would come mid-late. Hearns does pose a big threat with his own power but at 160 his chin would get cracked against GGG in due time.
This is over the top, and to say any half decent boxer would obliterate any ATG... That's down right stupid and I mean that with no disrespect.... Hearns although having a questionable chin is a boxing nightmare for damn near every current fighter, from 147-175. Duran is also far from a worse version of Pacqauio.... Fact!!! Duran would scare the life out of every fighter from 135-160.. Probably would KO damn near every current fighter from 135-147... Including Pac. Hagler at 160 is possibly the only boxer I would give damn near every current and past ATG middleweights to have a chance... Hagler was a different bread. You need to watch more if your thinking the way you are...
Just stop dude, Elroy is a flaming troll lol.
Duran would be obliterated by GGG
Hearns has a punchers chance but would likely be knocked out.
Best match is Hagler who would be a considerably large underdog against Golovkin.
Those are the facts.
OP hits us with another standard hate filled thread.
Pathetic!
You are phucking dumb if you think this. That is all.
This is over the top, and to say any half decent boxer would obliterate any ATG... That's down right stupid and I mean that with no disrespect.... Hearns although having a questionable chin is a boxing nightmare for damn near every current fighter, from 147-175. Duran is also far from a worse version of Pacqauio.... Fact!!! Duran would scare the life out of every fighter from 135-160.. Probably would KO damn near every current fighter from 135-147... Including Pac. Hagler at 160 is possibly the only boxer I would give damn near every current and past ATG middleweights to have a chance... Hagler was a different bread. You need to watch more if your thinking the way you are...
You didn't actually read my post did you! The biggest problem on this forum is dudes can't read!
I never said every half decent boxer could beat ALL ATG's, just MOST of them.
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I already declared that these 3 guys were special cases, and of course would be competitive today.
However, Duran is definitely a crapper version of Pac. Less skilled, slower, less atheltic, weaker. That is a fact! He would struggle very badly today!
Hearns would definitely be tough work for any fighter today and would maim guys without a hard chin or a punch themselves to stop him. Unfortunately GGG has both a hard punch AND a hard chin- I can't see how anybody can shame-facedly claim that Hearns would win!
Hagler is best match up, but come on, this is ****ing Golovkin! Wake up world!
GGG is a joke.
FACT.
Great analysis.
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I'll give this thread more thought than it deserves.
First of all, it is early to compare GGG with greats before we have even seen him at the most elite level as a pro. It would be more interesting to compare him after he has had some big fights.
Hearns was ever dangerous with his right hand even at the highest level, and his fight with Duran helped prove that. That being said, he got KO'd by both Hagler and Barkley at middle (he was 30 when he got KOd by Barkley). He got wobbled a few times and his chin simply was not good, in spite of all his other attributes. I think at Middleweight GGG would be a hell of a lot more likely to knock him out than the other way around. We have never seen GGG hurt, and he took Stevens best shots (not the same puncher Hearns was, but he is a big puncher). GGG would not be suffering from the same ridiculous height and reach disadvantage that Duran was. Middle was not Hearns' most dangerous weight, and I think the fight could conceivably go either way. Hearns could win a decision on the outside if he managed to tame GGG's aggression, he could conceivably KO GGG although we have never seen him hurt, and GGG could KO him as he has been KO'd by lesser punchers. I would pick Hearns by benefit of the doubt because we haven't seen GGG at that level and it is a difficult match.
Hagler would be a tough fight for GGG. Right now I would pick Hagler to beat him because as brutal of a puncher as GGG is, Hagler was a tank. GGG would switch into a more technical mode, but I think Hagler would edge him. Hagler by decision.
Duran at 160 was still a madman, but against a full Middle of GGG's caliber, I don't think he could win. He has some good accomplishments at Middle, but nothing close to a win over a guy like GGG. GGG wins by decision in a tough fight. KO would be possible, but I wouldn't expect it.
the guy is OK, Im not taking away credit where its due, but he wouldnt last 6 rounds with Hagler and Hearns would ice him in 4 rounds tops.
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ummm, hearns was what, 40 years old by then?
poor argument there.
and questioning Duran in any way is just ignorant.
GGG is a joke.
FACT.
ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO TRASH A FIGHTER HERE? JUST POSITIVE KISSES AND HUGS?
YOU HOPE MY STAY IS A SHORT ONE? GEE, THANKS, JERK.
I'M A NEGATIVE PERSON BECAUSE I THINK THOSE 3 WOULD BEAT GGG? BUt if I had said GGG could beat those 3, that would have been a POSITIVE PERSON? That'd be OK with you, hmm?
Are you 1 of those people who thinks everyone is negative if they don't say pretty pink positive things? What a way to try and shut down opposing views!
Interesting took you two pages to reveal your disdain for him and true motive. The thread is useless, ATG legends beating a guy, shocker. That's the best you got? You want to insult him, suggest broner would beat him.
The moment you mentioned "ATG" as a defence, you INSTANTLY lost!
All Time Great can ONLY mean that you were great relevant to the competition of your day and those that came before it. It cannot possibly have taken into account ANYTHING in reality that happened afterwards, unless the board that determined said boxer to be an ATG first invented a time machine to check that he would still be considered so throughout all eternity.
ATG therefore is merely an honourable label applied to boxers who distinctly achieved in their own time.. NOT "ALL" time.
In terms of H2H, ATG is utterly worthless..
And in fact, even a quick bit of research reveals the truth...
ALMOST every ATG who has ever existed would be utterly obliterated by ANY half decent boxer today! FACT!
^Now Hagler and Hearns and Duran were special, and so they are an exception to the rule!
Except, Duran is a much crapper version of Pac, Hearns was fast, long and powerful but especially chinny (and GGG walks straight through the hardest hitters anyway and is more skilled than Hearns) and Hagler is a lesser version of Canelo!!
^This is simply how it is when you actually WATCH them box!
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Let's not forget HOW these guys met with their ATG status... By fighting each other!
GGG has instilled so much fear amongst his peers that none of the other top fighters WANT to even face him!
This is over the top, and to say any half decent boxer would obliterate any ATG... That's down right stupid and I mean that with no disrespect.... Hearns although having a questionable chin is a boxing nightmare for damn near every current fighter, from 147-175. Duran is also far from a worse version of Pacqauio.... Fact!!! Duran would scare the life out of every fighter from 135-160.. Probably would KO damn near every current fighter from 135-147... Including Pac. Hagler at 160 is possibly the only boxer I would give damn near every current and past ATG middleweights to have a chance... Hagler was a different bread. You need to watch more if your thinking the way you are...
Individuals on this site need to realize every boxer from ATG's to Current Champs all have weaknesses... Period. Every fighter does meet his polar opposite or his krytonite. There are the exception but that is obviously a feat rarely seen to go undefeated in this sport. To claim Hagler/Duran/Hearns would not have an issue with any current boxer is bordering clear Stupidty.
I appraise merely on boxing capabilities, excluding any and all forms of bias. If a said black guy beats a said white guy, so it is, and vice verse. The "race" card has zero bearing on any analysis.
On the "size" point- I issue it is relevant "actual" importance in any given contest. It happens to be an absolute irrefutable fact (proven by stats) that bigger is better (in most cases).
More the point size may overwhelm Duran here but that isn't true for taller Hearns and stockier Hagler is it?
GGG beats these guys on paper imo because he is simply better!
Better based on what? That long list of elite boxers and murderous punchers on gggs resume? Admit it, you base all of your opinions not on fact but bias and racism
Duran would be obliterated by GGG
Hearns has a punchers chance but would likely be knocked out.
Best match is Hagler who would be a considerably large underdog against Golovkin.
Those are the facts.
OP hits us with another standard hate filled thread.
Pathetic!
Proven atg Hagler would be the a large underdog vs a fighter with ZERO quality wins? GTFOH, dumb anti American priick
If you really believe this ...and I'm not hating on GGG(he is a killer) you are mentally retarded. Comparing a guy who's best win is Martin Murray to ATG's. You are a joke.
The moment you mentioned "ATG" as a defence, you INSTANTLY lost!
All Time Great can ONLY mean that you were great relevant to the competition of your day and those that came before it. It cannot possibly have taken into account ANYTHING in reality that happened afterwards, unless the board that determined said boxer to be an ATG first invented a time machine to check that he would still be considered so throughout all eternity.
ATG therefore is merely an honourable label applied to boxers who distinctly achieved in their own time.. NOT "ALL" time.
In terms of H2H, ATG is utterly worthless..
And in fact, even a quick bit of research reveals the truth...
ALMOST every ATG who has ever existed would be utterly obliterated by ANY half decent boxer today! FACT!
^Now Hagler and Hearns and Duran were special, and so they are an exception to the rule!
Except, Duran is a much crapper version of Pac, Hearns was fast, long and powerful but especially chinny (and GGG walks straight through the hardest hitters anyway and is more skilled than Hearns) and Hagler is a lesser version of Canelo!!
^This is simply how it is when you actually WATCH them box!
AND..
Let's not forget HOW these guys met with their ATG status... By fighting each other!
GGG has instilled so much fear amongst his peers that none of the other top fighters WANT to even face him!
Getting to round 14 in a FOTY with a prime SRL is more chin proof than Golovkin has ever had to show. Hearns chin problems are overblown.
Hearns was getting dizzy with every punch that was landed on him, it's just that Leonard didn't land much for a while in the fight. Hearns boxed supremely off the back foot. And this wasn't the only time, in a number of championship/contender level contests, Hearns was wobbled by less than stellar punches but his own punch and skills always helped him through.
GGG, hasn't had to prove that chin, I agree but he hasn't needed to and his power is legit, what ever you may think of the rest of him. And power like that hurts Hearns who was far from a natural MW, in fact he never seemed to fill out in the division. His best weight was probably 168-170. It's when he looked at his best and most muscular but by then he was no longer the great fighter he'd once been.