Would Floyd be the GOAT?

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Nice try on what? I never said you supported it or liked it. I just laugh when you bring Floyd/canelo up because Floyd basically used ODH's move on ODH's top guy. Yup, both bitch moves. So you're ok with GGG following Floyd's footsteps by draining Ward at 164?

I never denied that it was a ***** move on Oscar's part. Nice try. Nice try on what? I never said you supported it or liked it. I just laugh when you bring Floyd/canelo up because Floyd basically used ODH's move on ODH's top guy.

Fair points. I never like it when a title is decided at a CW, even when its Floyd. Mr. fantastic has an avi of ODH, who was a MW champ that fought BHop to unify the MW titles at 157. Whenever he starts whining about the Floyd/canelo CW, I just chuckle and keep it moving. I never denied that it was a ***** move on Oscar's part. Nice try.

Go to 48:06 "Andre Berto is a guy I can overlook!" He's clearly saying CAN overlook! Haha!

I don't know why people pretend that you must view all catchweights the same. Case in point: I had no issue with the Pacquiao-Cotto catchweight. Or Whitaker-Chavez. But I did with Pacquiao-Margarito. It's not all the same. Fair points. I never like it when a title is decided at a CW, even when its Floyd. Mr. fantastic has an avi of ODH, who was a MW champ that fought BHop to unify the MW titles at 157. Whenever he starts whining about the Floyd/canelo CW, I just chuckle and keep it moving.

Stop the BS. There were some who were hypocritical, yes. Most were not. Guys like you ignore the Floyd fans that weren't and focus on the few. Tis your choice. As for Hugh Grant, he specifically stated Floyd needed to accomplish something to be an ATG/GOAT. He did accomplish these things and now he is changing his position. You should be killing him for that, not deflecting to the Floyd/canelo CW. I don't know why people pretend that you must view all catchweights the same. Case in point: I had no issue with the Pacquiao-Cotto catchweight. Or Whitaker-Chavez. But I did with Pacquiao-Margarito. It's not all the same.

Stop the BS. There were some who were hypocritical, yes. Most were not. Guys like you ignore the Floyd fans that weren't and focus on the few. Tis your choice. As for Hugh Grant, he specifically stated Floyd needed to accomplish something to be an ATG/GOAT. He did accomplish these things and now he is changing his position. You should be killing him for that, not deflecting to the Floyd/canelo CW. Most were not? That's a load of bull. Aight man, I didn't mean to cut in your debate with him. Sorry, just couldn't resist.

You want to talk about hypocrisy? It doesn't top Floyd and his fans on the issues of catch weights. Once Floyd did it to Canelo, it was ok. Stop the BS. There were some who were hypocritical, yes. Most were not. Guys like you ignore the Floyd fans that weren't and focus on the few. Tis your choice. As for Hugh Grant, he specifically stated Floyd needed to accomplish something to be an ATG/GOAT. He did accomplish these things and now he is changing his position. You should be killing him for that, not deflecting to the Floyd/canelo CW.

Floyd has made his case. But he will be judged over time not at this moment. Once he is away from the sport for a few years or perhaps a decade his record will be analyzed without the emotions that his personality often evokes. He's going to be a universally accepted top 10 fighter, maybe even top 5. For some he will be top 3 or even the best ever. His record speaks for itself.

Well we can check the poster that has the quote in his sig. If I am wrong so be it. Floyd accomplished what you said he needed to be an ATG. You thought it impossible yet he did it with ease. Hypocrisy, thy name is Hugh Grant. You want to talk about hypocrisy? It doesn't top Floyd and his fans on the issues of catch weights. Once Floyd did it to Canelo, it was ok.

Why are you constantly lying? I have in the past once said Floyd needs to beat Hatton (without ref help in the Uk) SSM, DLH and Pac to be mentioned as and ATG and alongside SRL and Ali etc. But that was only to bribe Floyd to fight and take some tests. But you should know beating Hatton at a weight he never looked great, a old SSM and DLH will never make anyone as good as Ali, so you should have known I was dangling the carrot in front of Floyd to try and get him off of his backside. I had to say it at that point, as it was a time when Floyd dithered a lot and didn't fight much. It was when he took breaks and lays and retirements. I had to give him an incentive to actually fight, dangle the carrot in front of him so to speak. Fight GGG at middleweight and you would be comparable to SRL. Im not bribing Floyd this time. But Floyd has to take the fight and win, then we can discuss where he belongs. You don't discuss those things before the fight. Well we can check the poster that has the quote in his sig. If I am wrong so be it. Floyd accomplished what you said he needed to be an ATG. You thought it impossible yet he did it with ease. Hypocrisy, thy name is Hugh Grant.

Why are you contradicting yourself. You felt Floyd had to beat Hatton, Shane and Manny to be the GOAT. He did that yet you are not acknowledging him as the GOAT. Why? Why are you constantly lying? I have in the past once said Floyd needs to beat Hatton (without ref help in the Uk) SSM, DLH and Pac to be mentioned as and ATG and alongside SRL and Ali etc. But that was only to bribe Floyd to fight and take some tests. But you should know beating Hatton at a weight he never looked great, a old SSM and DLH will never make anyone as good as Ali, so you should have known I was dangling the carrot in front of Floyd to try and get him off of his backside. I had to say it at that point, as it was a time when Floyd dithered a lot and didn't fight much. It was when he took breaks and lays and retirements. I had to give him an incentive to actually fight, dangle the carrot in front of him so to speak. Fight GGG at middleweight and you would be comparable to SRL. Im not bribing Floyd this time. But Floyd has to take the fight and win, then we can discuss where he belongs. You don't discuss those things before the fight.

you're not taking weight into account when you say that. martin murray is a middleweight. berto and maidana are welterweights. p4p they do have better resume, but the p4p evaluation isn't real. martin murray would beat everybody on berto's resume, without any trouble. Not only that, those guys are not undefeated and are not 15-0 with all KO's in title fights either.

Poll Question: If Floyd were to fight and beat GGG at or above 154 lbs., would you consider him in the discussion for the greatest boxer of all time? I'd take him in more serious regard, to be the GOAT he'd have to do many things differently in his career to how he did it. Fight Margarito Fight WW Paul Williams Insist on fighting Canelo at 154lbs, not accepting the catchweight Fight prime Shane Mosley Fight Manny Pacquiao 6 to 4 years ago Gave Oscar Dela Hoya the rematch which many thought Oscar won, including Floyds father Fight Amir Khan Have less irrelevant fights like Ortiz, JMM (never was a WW, rushed up to 147) Guerrero and then obviously Berto If he did just that alone he'd have every right to call himself the best ever but fact of the matter is he didn't take every chance to fight every possible opponent which is totally unlike Muhammad Ali, Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard and all the other true greats. Look what happened when SRL fought Duran at his best, this is part of the reason why Floyd might feel the need to wait and cherry pick his way, he doesn't belong with the greatest of all time he belong alongside Marciano, Joe Calzaghe and Sven Ottke. With the time Floyd has wasted he could have added a good few more legitimate names on his record, there are certainly many I'm failing to mention his resume is now on par with Manny Pacquiaos imo but neither belong with the very top guys.

You have to be completely ignorant of boxing history to think floyd is the GOAT Who are you talking to?

Poll Question: If Floyd were to fight and beat GGG at or above 154 lbs., would you consider him in the discussion for the greatest boxer of all time? Dossent matter. Floid is already teh bestest eva!

Why would beating GGG at 154 make him the Goat?? GGG's best win is Martin fvcking Murray,He has not defeated 1 current champion and is now facing Lemiuex who just won a vacant belt and he himself never beat anyone...GGGis so hyped on here it is crazy...his resume is worse then Maidana's and even Berto's.. you're not taking weight into account when you say that. martin murray is a middleweight. berto and maidana are welterweights. p4p they do have better resume, but the p4p evaluation isn't real. martin murray would beat everybody on berto's resume, without any trouble.

If Floyd took a risk and beat GGG at middleweight, he could be mentioned alongside SRL. I hate it when Floyd dismisses the fight with saying I cant make middleweight? How you make middleweight is you eat more. You do what every other fighter in history did to go up divisions. Ask James Toney how he did it! Ask RJJ. Ask Pac. Floyd has only moved up divisions as hes grown naturally and outgrown divisions. Some people grow bigger later in life, and some people are the same size from 18 years old to 70. Why are you contradicting yourself. You felt Floyd had to beat Hatton, Shane and Manny to be the GOAT. He did that yet you are not acknowledging him as the GOAT. Why?

If Floyd took a risk and beat GGG at middleweight, he could be mentioned alongside SRL. I hate it when Floyd dismisses the fight with saying I cant make middleweight? How you make middleweight is you eat more. You do what every other fighter in history did to go up divisions. Ask James Toney how he did it! Ask RJJ. Ask Pac. Floyd has only moved up divisions as hes grown naturally and outgrown divisions. Some people grow bigger later in life, and some people are the same size from 18 years old to 70.