if there was 1 champions per division who would they be ???

crawford is not above matthysse at 140, not at the moment, he hasn't done nothing yet besides being gifted a title vs a guy whose chin is made of wet toilet paper

At Cruiserweight Drozd vs Huck is the fight that would currently earn the 'Tom Cruise' Title. But I dont know much about the division. Hernandez fights like once a year and doesnt seem to fight the top guys when he does.

Theres no real universal lineage for Cruiserweight atm. Some places see Hernandez as a lineal champion (RING, Boxingscene) but others do not (CBZ, TBRB). The issue lies solely with a dispute in rankings. I saw Huck/Hernandez as the rank 1 and 2 fighters, but Cliff Rold of NSB ranked Hernandez and Cunningham that way. I personally have a gripe with that because the lineage seemed to have been awarded in their immediate rematch, but not their first fight. It was during this time Huck challenged Povetkin at HW, and it seems absurd to unrank him based on 1 'testing the waters' fight, one he arguably won too. Agreed. Huck I believe is no.1 but I don't particularly rate him all that highly, I think he has regressed and he's shown signs of decline. I'm neither here nor there on many of those guys in the top echelons of the division Drozd, Lebedev and Yoan etc, the guys coming through right now show more promise I'd like to think Usyk has the all round skills to clear up. Chakhkiev seems to have ironed out a lot of creases but he still makes too many mistakes.

Holders of the 'Tom Cruise' Title as of now: HW: Wlad Klitschko CW: Vacant LHW: Adonis Stevenson (soon to be stripped for not fighting his mando, Kovalev) SMW: Vacant (Ward = champion in recess, to pick up title when he next wins against SMW contendor) MW: Miguel Cotto (soon to be stripped for not fighting his mando, GGG) JMW: Vacant (Mayweather drops title to campaign at WW) WW: Floyd Mayweather JWW: Vacant (Danny Garcia drops title to campaign at WW) LW: Vacant (Crawford drops title to campaign at LWW) SFW: Vacant FW: Vacant SBW: Guillermo Rigondeaux BW: Shinsuke Yamanaka JBW: Noaya Inuoe FlW: Roman Gonzales JFlW: Vacant SW: Vacant Stevenson and Cotto have 1 more fight each before a clear attempt needs to be made to fight their mando's otherwise they are getting stripped.

Pretty much the same as everyone else's with the exception Canelo over Lara, as he already beat HIM. Huck is lineal I believe but I don't rate him at all, I'd go with Usyk to usurp all of them within a 1-2 year, hell I expect Chakhkeiv to beat Huck. Some great match ups to be had in that division, Huck has always said he'll move up and a Klitschko fight is inevitable. And personally I'd expect Lomachenko to whup anyone around him, give him time. The rest is pretty straight forward. Huck is not lineal. Cruiserweight champ is Hernandez

Pretty much the same as everyone else's with the exception Canelo over Lara, as he already beat HIM. Huck is lineal I believe but I don't rate him at all, I'd go with Usyk to usurp all of them within a 1-2 year, hell I expect Chakhkeiv to beat Huck. Some great match ups to be had in that division, Huck has always said he'll move up and a Klitschko fight is inevitable. And personally I'd expect Lomachenko to whup anyone around him, give him time. The rest is pretty straight forward. Theres no real universal lineage for Cruiserweight atm. Some places see Hernandez as a lineal champion (RING, Boxingscene) but others do not (CBZ, TBRB). The issue lies solely with a dispute in rankings. I saw Huck/Hernandez as the rank 1 and 2 fighters, but Cliff Rold of NSB ranked Hernandez and Cunningham that way. I personally have a gripe with that because the lineage seemed to have been awarded in their immediate rematch, but not their first fight. It was during this time Huck challenged Povetkin at HW, and it seems absurd to unrank him based on 1 'testing the waters' fight, one he arguably won too.

Wlad idk Kovalev Ward GGG Mayweather Mayweather Crawford Bey Fortuna Featherweight is stacked - idk, a bunch of good fighters here - Loma or Walters Super BW - Another good div but Rigondeaux takes them all That's as far as I go. Fortuna? :rofl: Bey? :haha:

for starters, floyd mayweather has fought several times at 154, and it wasn't always at a catchweight. were you not watching boxing when floyd beat cotto for the lineal title at 154? or when lara almost lost to alfredo angulo? or when alvarez BEAT HIM? what makes him 154 lb champion? you like him? what wins does he have? a draw against molina? win against hte great delvis rodriguez? a draw against vanes? the great ishe smith? he beat austin trout in '13, and I LIKE HIM, therefor he's the champ! the only thing somebody can claim about that championship is that floyd is inactive at the weight, and that canelo actually beat lara at 155 lbs. those two things don't make erislandy lara, an extremely overrated fighter if you look at his resume and performance, a champion. you can aruge that the lineage for that championship should be vacant. unless floyd fights again at the weight, it's vacant. you can't argue that lara should be the champion, when he's done nothing since losing to canelo. Floyd Cotto was not for the lineal title. The lineage was established with Floyd-Canelo But I agreed with Lara for a mixture of reasons you've already pointed out. Canelo-Lara was a fight at Caneloweight... and in a discussion about divisional champions, we should all be discrediting Canelo for trying to make an absurd weightclass. He may well beat him at 154, but he hasn't. Also, lest we forget that Lara-Canelo was split in terms of victor, but ill just use 'official' decisions for arguments sake Floyd should have been stripped a long time ago. For this thread, I used either the no.1 fighter of the division, or the person with the best wins at the weight (the flawed lineal system doesn't always represent the best fighter, like ABC titles) to determine my list. Given Floyd doesn't fight at 154 (or hasn't for along time), nor does Canelo, Lara was the no.1 fighter for me to pick. Youre right if this thread is solely about lineal champions then. It should be vacant

having to actually consistently fight top 154s is much different from a one off catchweight bout... for starters, floyd mayweather has fought several times at 154, and it wasn't always at a catchweight. were you not watching boxing when floyd beat cotto for the lineal title at 154? or when lara almost lost to alfredo angulo? or when alvarez BEAT HIM? what makes him 154 lb champion? you like him? what wins does he have? a draw against molina? win against hte great delvis rodriguez? a draw against vanes? the great ishe smith? he beat austin trout in '13, and I LIKE HIM, therefor he's the champ! the only thing somebody can claim about that championship is that floyd is inactive at the weight, and that canelo actually beat lara at 155 lbs. those two things don't make erislandy lara, an extremely overrated fighter if you look at his resume and performance, a champion. you can aruge that the lineage for that championship should be vacant. unless floyd fights again at the weight, it's vacant. you can't argue that lara should be the champion, when he's done nothing since losing to canelo.

La Maquina > 140

Pretty much the same as everyone else's with the exception Canelo over Lara, as he already beat HIM. Huck is lineal I believe but I don't rate him at all, I'd go with Usyk to usurp all of them within a 1-2 year, hell I expect Chakhkeiv to beat Huck. Some great match ups to be had in that division, Huck has always said he'll move up and a Klitschko fight is inevitable. And personally I'd expect Lomachenko to whup anyone around him, give him time. The rest is pretty straight forward.

200 is perhaps the toughest to answer with lots of scary prospects, 2 vulnerable champions who seem to exist in different dimensions, and everyone "saving themselves up" for big fights.. hopefully when it rains it pours

lara is not the champion at 154 over floyd mayweather :lol1: dude lost to alvarez, who floyd shut out. having to actually consistently fight top 154s is much different from a one off catchweight bout...

lara is not the champion at 154 over floyd mayweather :lol1: dude lost to alvarez, who floyd shut out.

Just reposting...cos I see people ranking Loma as the champ at feather, why? Hasn't Walters done more? Hasn't Selby beaten a better fighter for his title? Cmon guys, give me reasons. The question something like who would come out as the winner if a super 6-like tournament is held. In the featherweight, it would come down to Walters or Loma. Walters beat some names in darch and nonito but those two are former flyweights. And considering how big Walters is, you have to wonder if he won due to size advantage. Loma has very few fights as a pro but I think many people see a very huge upside. Personally, I favor Loma over Walters. Skills will bring him the win.

Walters has better wins at 126...although whether or not he will fight again at the weight is up in the air but until he fights at 130 or above, he is the guy at 126. Actually, Selby is another guy who has better wins at 126 than Loma. There is noway Pedraza can be ranked above Uchiyama at super feather. Arguments can be made for Miura and Fortuna being better than Pedraza. I won't argue too much with lightweight but LWW belongs to Mathysse now that Garcia is gone. Peterson has a better claim as "champ" at this point than Crawford. TC may well be the best guy in the division but he has yet to prove it. Won't argue with ww. Lara at LMW speaks of madness, Canelo, Charlo, Andrade are all on winning streaks at a higher level yet the guy who loses his biggest fights, whether close or not is the "champion"? What kind of criteria are you using? The other divisions are pretty straightforward and you don't seem to have an agenda there so it's cool. For my money, Huck is the best at cruiser. Edit: Wana add in flyweight and super fly, that's Gonzalez and Inoue but there are some great match ups possible between the two weights. Just reposting...cos I see people ranking Loma as the champ at feather, why? Hasn't Walters done more? Hasn't Selby beaten a better fighter for his title? Cmon guys, give me reasons.

115 chocolatito 118 yamanaka 122 rigo 126 lomachenko 130 uchiyama 135 linares 140 Crawford 147 mayweather 154 canelo 160 ggg 168 ward 175 kovalev 200 hernandez 200+ wlad

105- Menayothin I guess, haven't seen enough of this division to say confidently. 108- Nietes, maybe 112- Gonzalez 115- Inoue 118- Yamanaka 122- Rigondeaux 126- Tough call, maybe Lomachenko 130- Uchiyama 135- I got no favorite here 140- Crawford 147- Mayweather 154- Mayweather 160- Golovkin 168- Ward 175- Kovalev 200- Huck 201+ Wladimir

From what I'v seen 112-??? 115-??? 118-??? 122-Rigo 126-Loma 130-Pedraza 135-Linares 140-Crawford 147-Mayweather 154-Lara 160-GGG 168-Ward 175-Kovalev 200-??? 201+ Wlad My guesses as to who they would emerge to be in the current fields, including guys who are already lineal right now some of whom would likely be not fighting the biggest threat: Budler Nietes Gonzalez (L) Inoue Yamanaka Rigo (L) Loma Uchiyama Linares Crawford (filling the vacancy left by Garcia Mayweather (47 and 54, L) Cotto (L) Ward (L) Stevenson (L) Huck Klitschko (L)

Kudrashov? I'd give Kudryashov and Usyk a real chance at beating any of the champs in the division right now. Makabu could beat Drozd. Like I said, Cruiserweight is wide open right now.