Is Haymon actually making 'PBC' titles?

At the moment it is illegal for a boxing promoter to do it.

In my eyes that extensive history has been destroyed by the alphabet groups. It no longer exists except in the past. A PBC title that represented a one world champion environment would be taking that extensive history back. I don't care wtf you call The Champion, but boxing needs an environment that allows for The Champion to reign by default not via some 6(?) world title belt fighter tournament that would take a couple years to finish with all the teeth pulling you'd have to do to get everyone on board. . A PBC title repesents one belt within a multiple world champion environment. PBC would literally need to take over an entire world sport to achieve what you are describing, which is literally impossible

If Haymon can get a critical mass of talent in the PBC he'll control too much boxer real estate for the "big 4" alphabet soup titles to matter. Lets say Haymon gots 18 of the top 20 guys at 147 in a couple years (I think he already has 10 of the top 20 now so its not far fetched). Is anyone gonna care that the #6 & #18, #21 & #22 ranked guys in the division are the alphabet champions when they've won those titles vs low hanging fruit & the PBC champion will have won the PBC title among a murderers row of top 147lbers & will be defending vs a murderers row. People keep trying to equate todays reality to the end game reality for what PBC is attempting to do. PBC can have 19/20 of the top 20 boxers in a division, the only one that matters is the no.1 guy. Floyd isn't the PBC champion, he's really the one that matters at Welterweight. When he retires, you have fighters like Brook, Bradley (maybe Marquez and Pacquiao) who won't even think about the PBC title, it makes no sense On top of that, for the PBC title to matter, surely it has to matter in ALL divisions in boxing. Haymon may be a player in the US, but boxing is a global sport. Which divisions does Haymon really have total control of, or look to have in the immediate future? As corrupt as they can be, sanctioning bodies do work closely with national commissions, promoters, hall of fames, and anti-doping bodies, and are very deeply integrated part of the sport. With boxing becoming a progressively more globalised sport, I can't see how PBC can even begin to penetrate markets like the UK and Japan. PBC makes sense if the US was the only country to matter

That was the rumor a few months back.... nothing significant since

Is he making them as we speak? No I can't believe he is. I remember that Canadian article being posted months ago & we haven't seen anything yet. The end game for what PBC is trying to do involves a PBC title though. So I suspect there will be a PBC title at a future date. As I've said 100x at this point, this is a long game plan thats started in March. You don't go into full on armageddon mode & launch all your nukes to start a battle. You take down some strategic battles to win the war over time, measure out your attacks, risk as little as possible. PBC's first battle is with powerhouse promoters. This lawsuit with PBC/Haymon vs Oscar & Arum will decide that to a large degree first off. Then fighters deciding to leave those powerhouse promoters over the next 2-3 years to come to PBC will be the next W in line. The first thing Haymon needs to do is take away business from the powerhouse promoters & then he can take away power from the alphabet groups. It'd be stupid to piss all those power brokers in the sport off all at once. I'd imagine thats why Haymon was trying to purchase GBP at the start to basically turn them into PBC so this whole concept coulda been trojan horsed into boxing more than it ultimately has been. If GBP had started picking up all this TV time the media's slant on it & fans take on it wouldn't have been half as negatively spun by the media & fans as it has been by this headless PBC group thats completely new & unknown doing it. Only way a PBC belt would make any real sense, especially with the extensive history that the sport has had since at least the 50's, but a history that extends to the late 1800's, would be if the PBC belt was awarded to unified/undisputed champions. -Stevenson vs Kovalev winner being deemed PBC 175 champion -Klitschko vs Wilder winner being deemed PBC heavyweight champion -Floyd unifies all of the belts, retires, and then Thurman/Brook/Khan/Garcia/Porter/Spence/etc winner becomes PBC 147 champion -Russell/Cuellar/Selby/Mares/Santa Cruz/etc winner becomes PBC 126 champ PBC continues to present their belt on TV, while also using the machinations of the governing bodies to consider the various fights that they're willing to put on.

It won't happen, IMO. I am certain it has been discussed but the fall-out from such a terrible idea would be huge and not worth the hassle. Haymon has barely goodwill as it is going, creating a retarded new belt is just going to antagonise people. It will happen eventually. What other reason would Haymon have for basically ignoring the existing titles that fighters in his stable bring to the ring with them? They are never celebrated, never presented in the ring, never displayed with pride. It is like they do not exist. That is because he intends to replace them with his own. The lawsuits have simply thrown a wrench into things for the time being and he has had to delay his plans.

It would be hilarious. They would be like WWF belts. They would find their way to Ebay within a few years. They will have the 'Television Title' and the 'Intercontinental Title' and then a 'Premier World Champion' title belt for each weight division. Whenever Haymon signs a current title holder, he will show up on a PBC broadcast and throw his belt in the trash.

I've heard a lot of talk about potential PBC titles, just to add another worthless title onto the ****heap But i've not heard or seen anything concrete about them. I don't really want to accuse Haymon of cluttering up the sport with further garbage titles, under the pretence of a 'revolution on free tv', if he's not actually planning on making them. Does anyone know anything about Haymon's plans? If not, where has the idea of 'PBC' titles come from? Suspicions arose when Haymon totally disregarded Thurman's title (which isn't even a major world title), yet they are milking the hell out Wilder's paper belt, calling him the HW World Champion Every time this topic is brought up, most people point to a single French-to-English article that made mention of Haymon having a contract for making PBC belts (which this board, in particular, ran wild with). Haymon is looking to use the belts (which he's been showing on PBC, though not acknowledging the organizations, since the Thurman backlash) for they are supposed to be used for, to highlight the actual fighters and build up fights. McDonnell-Kameda was a major bantamweight fight, regardless of the WBO not viewing McDonnell of being a "worthy titlist"; Daniel Jacobs and Keith Thurman being called champions builds up teir own stories, even if their actual belts are only wba; Deontay Wilder is "heavyweight champion of the world", especially at a time where the American sports audience hasn't really had interest in even hearing about a Klitschko since Vitali was fighting Lennox Lewis. Going about and creating your own belts out of thin air helps Haymon none at this point, while also making his idea look second rate (how are you going to justify creating belts out of thin air, when your programming already harps about how good a champion Ray Leonard was 30 years before your idea was even an idea?); with the way the PBC is currently set up, the product simply refuses to be held at the whims of governing organizations that have occasionally found themselves in shiesty looking situations (ie WBO putting their welterweight title into the hype for the HBO/TR-backed Pacquiao's fight with Mayweather, never intending to actually hand their title to Mayweather were he to win, and then, magically, sanctioning a title fight on HBO within a month of Mayweather "being declared champion", using some silliness about a sanctioning fee and refusing to have "their champion" rule in more than one division).

So it now goes IBF title WBO title WBC title WBA title (various regional titles) PBC title

May as well make a WTF title too.

It would be hilarious. They would be like WWF belts. They would find their way to Ebay within a few years.

It's not like Haymon doesn't already have major pull with the WBA and WBC, but man, I f*cking hope so. I hope there's a PBC regular belt, a super belt, a super duper one, a loyalty belt just for Peter Quillin. I hope PBC makes their own HOF too, one that's fair and just so guys like Peter and Santa Cruz can get a fair shake. :rofl: :rofl: the loyalty champion of the world :rofl: :rofl:

It's not like Haymon doesn't already have major pull with the WBA and WBC, but man, I f*cking hope so. I hope there's a PBC regular belt, a super belt, a super duper one, a loyalty belt just for Peter Quillin. I hope PBC makes their own HOF too, one that's fair and just so guys like Peter and Santa Cruz can get a fair shake. :lol1: :lol1:

Makes sense. He is trying to re-brand boxing and seemingly trying to use the blueprint of UFC to do it. I actually think it is a good idea in theory. In theory, one could eliminate all the plurality of titles by bringing everything under one roof and having one champion. In reality though, this will serve as an excuse to run his own game and shut out everyone who doesn't play his game. All of his B level guys like Jacobs, Stevenson and Quillin will fight for the PBC title and avoid the real guys in the division. His plan to use the UFC blueprint will not work because unlike Dana White, he is not building the sport alongside the company. Boxing is established with a long history, and he will only succeed in fracturing it.

It seems that PBC may have put things on hold for the moment at least until the lawsuits are cleared up. Bringing out their own titles at this point would not work in their favour at all. Yeah defiantly. They're just waiting it out but you can count of them creating their own belts

It's not like Haymon doesn't already have major pull with the WBA and WBC, but man, I f*cking hope so. I hope there's a PBC regular belt, a super belt, a super duper one, a loyalty belt just for Peter Quillin. I hope PBC makes their own HOF too, one that's fair and just so guys like Peter and Santa Cruz can get a fair shake.

Based on what his business model appears to be I think it is inevitable.

It seems that PBC may have put things on hold for the moment at least until the lawsuits are cleared up. Bringing out their own titles at this point would not work in their favour at all.

There was a big article on the subject in the Journal de Montreal newspaper before the Stevenson-Bika fight where they had a lot of details about it. The original article is no longer available on the net unless you are a subscriber to the site but there is a Google translation of it on Boxrec. I've copied the translation here and cleaned it up a bit so that it is a little clearer to read. http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=190431 PBC belts are in production QUEBEC | Over the last few months, businessman Al Haymon has started a revolution in boxing through agreements with several American television networks. However, it does not stop there. The next stage of its five-year plan is the implementation of a belt in all categories and these would be in play only on First Boxing Champions cards (PBC). This is a model that would have some similarities to that which exists in the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), which has full control over its fighters and clashes. In recent days, members of Haymon's entourage, which are currently present in Quebec were very discreet about it. However, according to what Le Journal de Montreal has learned, the project is well under way. The PBC belts are in production at a company in England. They should be ready in a few weeks, according to several sources, but it is not yet known when they will make their official appearance in the world of boxing. Until this new crown is launched, the WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF continue to work with Premier Boxing Champions (PBC), but for how long? "We're on the fence on this issue. We must wait to see how things will go, said a source who works for one of the sanctioning bodies when he was contacted by The Journal . "However, it will do something before that first fight for a title PBC announced. That could cause problems. " Many questions remain unanswered at the moment. For example, what value has this capacity compared to those that currently exist? It is not clear at this point, but we know that Haymon uses all the means at his disposal to have total control of boxing. The creation of a new belt is a step closer to his ultimate goal. Watching the televised galas and PBC website, we can see that the sanctioning bodies do not seem to be part of Haymon's final equation. And there are many examples. Saturday before the Stevenson-Bika shock, the representative of the WBC will not be allowed between the ropes. He will receive "Superman's" title belt then it will be placed on the ring apron. After the announcement of the winner it is the referee Michael Griffin who will place the title around the waist of Stevenson or Bika and not him. The only thing we know is that the announcer, Pierre Bernier, must present Stevenson as WBC world champion. Then when we consult the PBC website with great pomp we learn that a Quebecer will face Bika in a championship fight on CBS today. However, rummaging about this duel, it is never mentioned that Stevenson is the WBC king, The Ring or linear heavyweight. He is just a champion. Period. Sooner or later the WBC and other sanctioning bodies will react and that could make sparks. Even if the money were to go, do they want to play second fiddle behind PBC? It would be doubtful.

Might as well couldn't be any less credible then the WBO