Pacquiao beat DLH, but if you're going to be moving the goal posts because of DLH, then I'll move them on the Marquez thing. It took JMM 42 rounds to land the perfect punch. If there was only 1 JMM fight, Pac would be undefeated. The first fight was scored wrong by 1 judge, but even using the official result he'd be undefeated. If Floyd fought JMM 5 times and was undefeated in all 5 fights, then you're allowed to say that Pac wouldn't still be undefeated, however that's not the case. Floyd fought JMM once, and Pac-JMM was a draw. Undefeated.
All I asked is if you thought pacquiao would like at Oscar at 154, bro.
There was controversy with 3 of 4 fights with marqeuz. Mayweather comfortably beat Marquez.
I never said Pacquiao wasn't an ATG. Pacquiao is a great fighter. He just wouldn't make it through May weather's resume undefeated, which was the question.
The poster above you says that they scored the first fight wrong. A lot of people would say that the 3rd fight was scored wrong as well. Its irrelevant to the discussion. He lost to Marquez.
Also, do you truly believe that Pacquiao would have beaten Dela Hoya at 154?
Pacquiao beat DLH, but if you're going to be moving the goal posts because of DLH, then I'll move them on the Marquez thing. It took JMM 42 rounds to land the perfect punch. If there was only 1 JMM fight, Pac would be undefeated. The first fight was scored wrong by 1 judge, but even using the official result he'd be undefeated. If Floyd fought JMM 5 times and was undefeated in all 5 fights, then you're allowed to say that Pac wouldn't still be undefeated, however that's not the case. Floyd fought JMM once, and Pac-JMM was a draw. Undefeated.
Doesn't that presume that the current version of Mayweather could go through his own resume undefeated? Otherwise I'd say DLH and Mosley have pretty decent shots.
Pac-JMM 1 was a draw, therefore undefeated. So hey, look at that Pac did do it, minus Canelo. Pac fought Margarito though.
So again, Pac did it.
If you can't admit that both Pac and Floyd are ATGs you need to go try a different sport to follow. Table Tennis might be more your speed.
I never said Pacquiao wasn't an ATG. Pacquiao is a great fighter. He just wouldn't make it through May weather's resume undefeated, which was the question.
The poster above you says that they scored the first fight wrong. A lot of people would say that the 3rd fight was scored wrong as well. Its irrelevant to the discussion. He lost to Marquez.
Also, do you truly believe that Pacquiao would have beaten Dela Hoya at 154?
Mayweather got it right the first time so there wasn't a need to fight more than once. Theres a reason that Pacquiao and Marquez fought 4 times, which is because there were many people that believe Marquez won a majority of the fights (one of which was a draw, not a win, as you mentioned).
You can't say say a person would go through mayweather's resume undefeated that lost to a fighter on Mayweather's resume. Period.
Pac-JMM 1 was a draw, therefore undefeated. So hey, look at that Pac did do it, minus Canelo. Pac fought Margarito though.
So again, Pac did it.
If you can't admit that both Pac and Floyd are ATGs you need to go try a different sport to follow. Table Tennis might be more your speed.
Mayweather got it right the first time so there wasn't a need to fight more than once. Theres a reason that Pacquiao and Marquez fought 4 times, which is because there were many people that believe Marquez won a majority of the fights (one of which was a draw, not a win, as you mentioned).
You can't say say a person would go through mayweather's resume undefeated that lost to a fighter on Mayweather's resume. Period.
Manny got it right the first time too, a judge just scored the fight wrong.
He also beat him, Floyd only fought him once. If you want to go with the first fight was a draw... fine. He would be undefeated. But, even in that first fight it's well known that a dumbass judge scored it wrong. Manny should have won that fight and he won the second fight regardless.
So you and Larry can say "No one did it" but someone did do it. Deflecting, it's all is.
Mayweather got it right the first time so there wasn't a need to fight more than once. Theres a reason that Pacquiao and Marquez fought 4 times, which is because there were many people that believe Marquez won a majority of the fights (one of which was a draw, not a win, as you mentioned).
You can't say say a person would go through mayweather's resume undefeated that lost to a fighter on Mayweather's resume. Period.
He lost to JMM, sir. Im not sure how that can be swept under the rug like it didn't happen
He also beat him, Floyd only fought him once. If you want to go with the first fight was a draw... fine. He would be undefeated. But, even in that first fight it's well known that a dumbass judge scored it wrong. Manny should have won that fight and he won the second fight regardless.
So you and Larry can say "No one did it" but someone did do it. Deflecting, it's all is.
Pacquiao loses to Marquez, Canelo, as well as DLH who unlike Margarito, would have had a combination of size and speed that would have been too much in my opinion. Oscar's all round speed would have allowed him to impose his strength and size.
He lost to JMM, sir. Im not sure how that can be swept under the rug like it didn't happen
After how many tries?
If you want to play the "he got shafted by judges" you better be ready to give the same **** to Mayweather vs Castillo.
Pac has been stated multiple times and you keep deflecting that answer lol.
He lost to JMM, sir. Im not sure how that can be swept under the rug like it didn't happen
so are you going to answer the thread question?
The point that Khan made was IF he was in Floyd same stance he could pick and choose his opponent like Floyd is doing to benefit him and he could also add ridiculous stipulations to favour him further which has been done.
If Floyd wasn't from America and wasn't protected by big promotions at the time he'd have likely been handed a loss to Luis Castillo which a lot agree he did lose that and the Maidana first fight but this is the big name effect and being protected you're a future investment and promoters will make sure their investment isn't squandered.
Any great fighter can do what Floyd is doing If they're meticulous about it, look Rocky Marciano, Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe did it they didn't call themselves TBE.
Problem is even Floyd didn't go through resume undefeated, should have loses to both Maidana and Castillio.
Mayweather won against Castillo, I had it 7-5. It was a draw most of the fight but Mayweather won the last two rounds. I don't see anyone going undefeated against Mayweather's resume. He is a unique fighter who lasted this long. He was in his late 30's and beat Alvarez who was 23.
Pretty much yeah, you notice an alarming trend with the type of people Floyd fight with them fighting pretty much all in the same manner -
Maidana
Ortiz
Guerrero
Canelo
Marquez
And so on the last pure boxer he faced would probably be Zab Judah in 2006 which was a good win but all of the recent ones for the past 8/9 years have been tailor made for him.
Put it this way name me one fighter Floyd has beat that has the same boxing IQ or higher than someone like Erislandy Lara? (Answer being, you can't)
Its sad that we're nearly at that one month wait point where Floyd will be fighting and his opponent is still unknown!
doesn't JMM have as high a boxing IQ as Lara?
You took 5 of 46 different opponents (Castillo and Maidana 2x) that's 11% of the people he fought.
Other than Lara, whom would you have Floyd fight that he didn't?
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