Dan Rafael @danrafaelespn · 18m18 minutes ago
Ratings for PBC on CBS on Saturday were poor based on this report: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2015/07/gold-cup-ratings-fox-usa-cuba-overnights-premier-boxing-cbs-american-century-championship-golf-nbc/#pbccbs #boxing
Another Sub-1.0 Overnight For PBC on CBS
The latest edition of the Premier Boxing Champions series drew a 0.8 overnight rating on CBS Saturday afternoon, even with the network's previous telecast in late June. Three of the four PBC events on CBS have failed to earn at least a 1.0 overnight.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2015/07/gold-cup-ratings-fox-usa-cuba-overnights-premier-boxing-cbs-american-century-championship-golf-nbc/#pbccbs
The debut broadcast on primetime NBC (Thurman/Guerrero, Broner/Molina) still holds the highest ratings iirc.
CBS cards: Stevenson/Bika, Figueroa/Burns, Barthelemy/DeMarco, Frampton/Gonzalez.
Yeah, these guys are pretty unknown in the US. Literally none of them jump out to me as a hardcore boxing fan except for Thurman and Broner, which was the best ratings.
We should all be grateful for PBC. It has forced HBO to step up its game. After all, why pay a premium price for the crappy fights that HBO has brought us over the years when we can see those same types of crappy fights on free television.
You are not getting those fights for free dummy.
Dan Rafael @danrafaelespn · 18m18 minutes ago
Ratings for PBC on CBS on Saturday were poor based on this report: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2015/07/gold-cup-ratings-fox-usa-cuba-overnights-premier-boxing-cbs-american-century-championship-golf-nbc/#pbccbs #boxing
Another Sub-1.0 Overnight For PBC on CBS
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2015/07/gold-cup-ratings-fox-usa-cuba-overnights-premier-boxing-cbs-american-century-championship-golf-nbc/#pbccbs
We should all be grateful for PBC. It has forced HBO to step up its game. After all, why pay a premium price for the crappy fights that HBO has brought us over the years when we can see those same types of crappy fights on free television.
I read the boards constantly and did not even realize that the CBS card on Saturday was a daytime card. I didn't even think of watching it. In general, I don't really watch anything on the major networks so I don't even see any commercials for what is upcoming.
It is really was weird that Frampton's debut was in Texas and yet they placed Dirrell-DeGale in Boston. There must be some sort of explanation for these weird locations, probably financial in some way
Yeah, what would have made sense is Frampton and deGale co main eventing a card in the Boston area.
Because they aren't giving compelling matchups for the most part...
And Pbc schedule is all over the place, spikeTV, CBS, showtime, etc. Day, night, Saturdays, Fridays...
Casuals can't follow along with that...
They should have just bought all the airtime off espn and had fights every Friday night.. So people know week in/week out when pbc is going to be on..
Bellator and wwe use that same model and have grown a big following
Exactly, it is all over its hard to keep track.
not understanding where certain fights need to be held is killing PBC.
Frampton is Irish. Maybe putting this fight in a city with a large Irish population would have been a good idea! Maybe near NYC, Boston or another northeastern city, not Texas.
Porter/Broner should've been in Ohio. Leats they got it right with Thurman.
It is really was weird that Frampton's debut was in Texas and yet they placed Dirrell-DeGale in Boston. There must be some sort of explanation for these weird locations, probably financial in some way
Interesting that, after all of the typical hoopla that comes on here from the initial estimates, people's comments tend to mum up once the full numbers come out, and the viewership totals end up just in line with or exceeding what viewership would've been on HBO/Showtime. Things go even quieter when the telecast ends up leading/in top five of viewership by the 18-54 demo.
have fun
edit: the CBS afternoon cards, and most of the afternoon cards in general, have likely been on budgets that weren't all that skewed away from what is currently being paid by HBO.
Top 5 lol. How many non cable mainstream networks are there, 4? Who are you kidding, the numbers stink. Go make up some numbers, that seems to be your forte
not understanding where certain fights need to be held is killing PBC.
Frampton is Irish. Maybe putting this fight in a city with a large Irish population would have been a good idea! Maybe near NYC, Boston or another northeastern city, not Texas.
Porter/Broner should've been in Ohio. Leats they got it right with Thurman.
It was the first time Frampton has been seen on US tv and in the afternoon, Frampton's ratings might pick up, I mean surely he has the right ethnicity and style to be a ratings hit. Having fights in the correct locations would help though with the atmosphere, I mean these PBC shows have been mostly dead.
Throw a fighter on national tv that no one has ever heard of or seen, even the hardcores haven't seen much of Frampton, WTF do they expect was going to happen.
I've said this for awhile now, I don't think Haymon gives a crap if PBC succeeds, he gets his 15% each fight either way.
The fights he's putting on tv don't suggest someone trying to build tv ratings up, that's for damn sure.
I'm not sure he knows what a compelling match-up looks like given he has spent a long time finding the easiest route for his fighters, it has to go heavily against his natural instincts to put them in hard bouts.
Maybe things will change when Schaefer gets on board, which is supposed to happen in August.
would wait for the full numbers to come out
Interesting that, after all of the typical hoopla that comes on here from the initial estimates, people's comments tend to mum up once the full numbers come out, and the viewership totals end up just in line with or exceeding what viewership would've been on HBO/Showtime. Things go even quieter when the telecast ends up leading/in top five of viewership by the 18-54 demo.
have fun
edit: the CBS afternoon cards, and most of the afternoon cards in general, have likely been on budgets that weren't all that skewed away from what is currently being paid by HBO.
hard to say its poor, its probably average for the timeslot for anything other than College Football. You dont put those fights together at that timeslot and except millions to tune in. Thats just not going to happen
Many of us said that at the very beginning. You and others called us haters for using logic.
PBC should just close up shop and allow things to return to the good old days. You guys remember the good old days when we saw 12 fights a year on Showtime and HBO and three PPV events, and we could count on the fact that three off those 15 events would be competitive fights between A-level opponents that were actually worth staying home on Saturday night to watch..
If you were a real boxing fan, you would have been watching boxing on cable stations like the rest of us. There have always been Golden Boy, Top Rank cards on cable along with the Mexican stations. But because those guys didn't use buzzwords like "free TV", you didn't watch. Or was it because they weren't black managers pretending not to be promoters?
But the FNF card probably cost less to produce than the PBC card.
Yeah that's the main issue with PBC. Practically all the cards are meant to showcase Haymon fighters and he pays his fighters a lot. We don't know how much money Haymon really has to blow but he's definitely spending a sh*t ton for air time on multiple networks while paying his fighters upwards of 600k+ a fight.
Biggest issue with PBC for casuals is the timing/schedules. Friday Night Fights was.. Friday night, fights.
The guys who fight there are largely unknown. Wasn't there good ratings when Broner and Thurman fought on the same card?
The debut broadcast on primetime NBC (Thurman/Guerrero, Broner/Molina) still holds the highest ratings iirc.
CBS cards: Stevenson/Bika, Figueroa/Burns, Barthelemy/DeMarco, Frampton/Gonzalez.
ESPN numbers, you do the comparison:
"ESPN's most-watched and highest-rated fight across all ESPN networks in 2014 was the May 10 WBC World Heavyweight Championship fight between Bermane Stiverne and Chris Arreola televised on ESPN. The fight saw an average audience of 940,000 viewers (P2+) and delivered a 0.7 HH US rating, making it the highest-rated and most-viewed fight on ESPN and ESPN2 since 2006."
Source: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/12/30/2014-espn-boxing-ratings-and-viewership-up-2015-season-to-include-return-of-boxcino/344748/
So ESPN's most watched event in 2014 did less numbers than last weekend's CBS PBC event.
For that Stiverne-Arreola II fight, which was well over the budget of FNF, Stiverne got $225,000 and Arreola got $100,000.
That's not even close to what was paid for Thurman-Collazo ($1.5 million for Thurman, $500,000 for Collazo).