Americans: Calm down about Spence

The only thing Errol has to show me is that he has a solid chin. He showed he can adjust to adversity, can box, can jab and can fight. You better get used to him pissing you off.

Good Lord you fvckers love to always make it a nationalistic thing That chip on your shoulders, let it go mates Goes both ways tbf

He is not looking like a superstar to me. The kid is a good solid fighter, he has good fundamentals, looks composed, and looks heavy handed, but he is not the second coming. He is a little slow and looks a little open, so relax. I think you have a world champion on you're hands but he definitely is NOT the future of boxing or anything of that type he is just another one in the mix in a stacked division. His lack of speed will limit his potential in my opinion. He has good timing and accuracy which will help negate some of that lack of speed but he is the type of fighter who tries to be very precise and his can be a problem as he goes higher in level especially as his feet are a little slow, I can definitely see him struggling against certain styles. I see lots of American fans getting overexcited with his potential, the thing is I can see the circle coming already. You guys are going to build him up and as soon as he struggles or picks up an L he is going to become a bum overnight. As I said Spence is a good fighter, from the looks of it he will be at the top for a long time, but with the limitations he has don't expect him to be an elite unbelievable fighter. I don't see a young Mayweather, Mosley, or Judah. He doesn't have that type of talent to me, maybe more comparable to a Lamont Peterson in terms of talent and level, not style. Hell, as long as we know hyping another American fighter gets under your skins, we are going to keep doing it. And for that you are going to hate him, but he doesn't need your kind. We run boxing.

The guy looks fantastic. He obviously felt the guys punches yesterday and threw off the shackles and went through his full arsenal with impunity. I think they can step him now. He will be good enough as world level at the bare minimum.

Hopkins and Ward don't have very good speed? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Marquez doesn't have good speed?? In comparison to who? Pacquiao? Bradley? I am sorry but I can't agree with you on the above, the only person on koolaid here is you. But my 'closing comments' are relevant because Chavez and Hagler were exactly the type of fighters I knew you were going to name, you could throw Foreman and others into that equation, and they are iron men, exactly the type of qualities I was describing in that paragraph. Which is how you need to be to exist at elite level without elite speed. Yet again, you are shifting the post which makes me believe you have an agenda. Hopkins and Ward do not have very good speed for their division; they are/were not slow plodders incapable of pulling the trigger in time but nor is Erol Spence. I did not say Marquez didn't have good speed and the fact that you interpreted it that way makes is a blatant example of you shifting the post. Your assertion was that those at the top have very good speed for their division; to that end, someone with good speed would not meet your criteria. Your closing comments are not relevant and is a case of you shifting the goal post again. My claim that people place too much importance on speed is not disproved by you listing other areas of importance; in fact, what you said supported what I had to say.

He is not looking like a superstar to me. The kid is a good solid fighter, he has good fundamentals, looks composed, and looks heavy handed, but he is not the second coming. He is a little slow and looks a little open, so relax. I think you have a world champion on you're hands but he definitely is NOT the future of boxing or anything of that type he is just another one in the mix in a stacked division. His lack of speed will limit his potential in my opinion. He has good timing and accuracy which will help negate some of that lack of speed but he is the type of fighter who tries to be very precise and his can be a problem as he goes higher in level especially as his feet are a little slow, I can definitely see him struggling against certain styles. I see lots of American fans getting overexcited with his potential, the thing is I can see the circle coming already. You guys are going to build him up and as soon as he struggles or picks up an L he is going to become a bum overnight. As I said Spence is a good fighter, from the looks of it he will be at the top for a long time, but with the limitations he has don't expect him to be an elite unbelievable fighter. I don't see a young Mayweather, Mosley, or Judah. He doesn't have that type of talent to me, maybe more comparable to a Lamont Peterson in terms of talent and level, not style. If a rising Eastern European from the 2016 Olympics comes to America he will knock Spence out Those are the guys who are taking over boxing

Can't say I've seen an extraordinary amount of hype.

I'm not American but why is that bother you? They're excited about him? Good to them then and you can't say that they haven't got any cause of it btw... Spence is a good prospect. Lots of American haters on this site who clearly want Americans to NOT succeed in this sport mostly because of sourness and nationalist causes. At the same time they don't realize that the thing they root for isn't good at all for the sport in general. I don't know if you're one of them or not this isn't certainly directed at you but I don't see that Spence would be overhyped, so why does it bother you if someone excited about him? Great post. Too many posters on this site have their little anti-America agenda and it angers them to see any American fighters succeed. Well, tough sh*t. Why shouldn't we be allowed to get excited about our young prospects? Is that only permitted for the Brits and Eastern Euros or what? :thinking:

Ward won olympic gold so he obvs had serious talent. Yeah exactly, you can say the beginning of his pro career was relatively low profile and I think the Boone knock down killed a lot of the hype for a while, but I felt he had built momentum again before the super six. He just picked the wrong promoter out of the amateurs.

A bunch of people thought Andre Ward was a bust before the super 6 point blank period. Pretty much for the exact reason you are dogging Spence, they just didn't see anything he was great at. Ward won olympic gold so he obvs had serious talent.

A bunch of people thought Andre Ward was a bust before the super 6 point blank period. Pretty much for the exact reason you are dogging Spence, they just didn't see anything he was great at. Are you serious?? I am not one of those people anyway. People were saying Kessler was overrated after the Ward fight, and I was saying that Kessler was absolutely not overrated because Ward is special, I will try and bring the post out. I thought that before the fight anyway, as a Kessler fan I knew he was in really deep. I am not sure how anyone could have that opinion based off the Pudwill and Miranda performances, Ward looked pretty spectacular.

Yeah let this dude fight better people before mentioning top 147 fighters....its levels to this boxing shlt...and SPence hasnt fought a real opponent yet...I mean c'mon he just fought a short notice replacement

Thread marked we will see who is right~

Im sorry Spence fans I just don't see it. Like someone said time will tell, I am just confident in my opinion and trying to give you a heads up. As I said before, I implore you to go watch Floyd, Judah, Cotto, in their 18th fight, hell throw Andre Ward in as well. All those guys went on to be elite. Not only were they fighting higher level opponents at that stage, the talent level and difference in raw ability is huge compared to Spence last night...HUGE. So if you think you have got another fighter on that kind of level, think again. That is all that I am saying. A bunch of people thought Andre Ward was a bust before the super 6 point blank period. Pretty much for the exact reason you are dogging Spence, they just didn't see anything he was great at.

Im sorry Spence fans I just don't see it. Like someone said time will tell, I am just confident in my opinion and trying to give you a heads up. As I said before, I implore you to go watch Floyd, Judah, Cotto, in their 18th fight, hell throw Andre Ward in as well. All those guys went on to be elite. Not only were they fighting higher level opponents at that stage, the talent level and difference in raw ability is huge compared to Spence last night...HUGE. So if you think you have got another fighter on that kind of level, think again. That is all that I am saying. Exactly he just doesn't have the X factor. Power is good but not great, his hands and feet are slow, there's no wow factor with him. He's faced trash so far and his power will look much more average as he steps up in levels. He's a good fighter but doesn't have what it takes to be great.

That is what I am talking about, his speed in general. Anything physical you do comes from the receptors in the brain, but broken down simply speed is how fast you get from point A to B period. Timing is still about speed, its just measuring it. You are over complicating it, fact is the kid is not fast and I think there are signs that will get him found out. You are right he is not slow, but I just don't see anything really excellent he does to warrant the hype, as Ive said compare him to other guys at a similar age who went on to become elite, or even champions and he just doesn't stand out the same way. Looks fine to me and his speed is plenty to get the job done even at the top level of the sport. He has plenty of strengths so as long as he fights to his strength not trying to be something they aren't they will find success. If he tries to be something he isn't he will fail. That is such a flawed way to compare because you aren't giving him any credit for what he does well. You are seeing what you want to see which is the opposite side of the coin you are talking about with Americans

Being a quick thinker under pressure and being able to maintain that under fire is king~ Boxing is 90% mental, speed just like anything else is just a tool of the mind that needs to be applied. Spence has fine speed anyway, you act like he is molasses in winter, when for a guy that puts steam on his shots they are plenty quick. That is what I am talking about, his speed in general. Anything physical you do comes from the receptors in the brain, but broken down simply speed is how fast you get from point A to B period. Timing is still about speed, its just measuring it. You are over complicating it, fact is the kid is not fast and I think there are signs that will get him found out. You are right he is not slow, but I just don't see anything really excellent he does to warrant the hype, as Ive said compare him to other guys at a similar age who went on to become elite, or even champions and he just doesn't stand out the same way.

Im sorry Spence fans I just don't see it. Like someone said time will tell, I am just confident in my opinion and trying to give you a heads up. As I said before, I implore you to go watch Floyd, Judah, Cotto, in their 18th fight, hell throw Andre Ward in as well. All those guys went on to be elite. Not only were they fighting higher level opponents at that stage, the talent level and difference in raw ability is huge compared to Spence last night...HUGE. So if you think you have got another fighter on that kind of level, think again. That is all that I am saying.

Most of them just use it when it fits in their agenda. When it comes to dick riding Golovkin, Brook, Kovalev, Garcia, Maidana or any other good but not fast fighters, the nitpicking about speed disappears immediately. EXACTLY! A lot of people post on this forum post with some type of Agenda! They like other fighters more so in order to keep people talking about and praising their guy, they come and bash the up and coming fighter who people are praising. I see right through the BULLSH1T! All you can do is laugh at these idiots as they contradict themselves then try to back peddle and clean it up

Hopkins, Ward, Hagler, Marquez, Chavez Sr. They're top class fighters whom I don't consider to have very good speed for their weight class. Your closing comments are irrelevant to my post as you are just shifting the goal post; I commented on speed so bringing up stamina, toughness and world class power is irrelevant. Bottom line is speed is not the be and end all that modern boxing fans are making it out to be. You had people drinking the Broner because koolaid because his hand speed was fast, then Maidana put a hiding on him. People are still on that Khan koolaid even after Garcia and Prescott displayed what timing could do. Hopkins and Ward don't have very good speed? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Marquez doesn't have good speed?? In comparison to who? Pacquiao? Bradley? I am sorry but I can't agree with you on the above, the only person on koolaid here is you. But my 'closing comments' are relevant because Chavez and Hagler were exactly the type of fighters I knew you were going to name, you could throw Foreman and others into that equation, and they are iron men, exactly the type of qualities I was describing in that paragraph. Which is how you need to be to exist at elite level without elite speed.