ggg-monroe attendance 12,300
cotto-geale attendance 12,100
ggg purse for monroe:1.5 million
cotto purse for geale: 2 million
ggg-monroe peak ratings: 1.47 million
cotto-rodriguez peak ratings: 1.55 million
are we as boxing fans living in our own bubbles where we are slow to accept change? maybe people won't buy a ggg ppv? you could say the same about cotto because cotto only fights on ppv when he has a name opponent. so if cotto knows that you need a big name opponent to have a ppv why don't the fans?
also some people proclaim amir khan is one of boxing biggest stars but look at his last fight. 770k viewers, 7k attendance, 1 million purse. am i missing something? should i follow the numbers or what fans say? is cotto a mega star while ggg is a nobody? is khan a huge star that just doesn't attract any fans/money?
Yet you guys are making a big deal with Cotto and GGG's leftovers at a catch weight.
FYI I'm not pushing GGG vs Cotto atm as much as other fights.
WTF are you even talking about. When I have ever said that? You simply can help yourself. Shoo, scat just go away
You cannot compare gate figures or ratings for a fighter such as Cotto who has been fighting in the US for how many years now? 12? with that of a fighter who has been fighting in the US for 2 years and is just learning to speak the language and has no built in fan base to draw from.
How do you think Cotto would draw in Germany, where GGG fought most of his pro career, after 2 years? Think there are a lot of Puerto Ricans over in Europe? Or maybe Moscow? Think Cotto will ever be invited to headline a fight in Monaco? No, I don't either.
The comment that I was responding to did exactly that, only they tried to use their misleading comparisons to put Golovkin on parity with Cotto; doubt that you will critique that, but whatever. Looking at your profile picture says enough.
If comparing Golovkin's US numbers to other fighters fighting out of the US is no longer kosher, why still waste the time with comparing Golovkin to anyone but Felix Sturm?
GGG has the bigger upside in my opinion. Miguel Cotto will never be a crossover star but if GGG keeps winning he will be there in a year or less. Everyone I know who has seen him fight wants to see him again.
Fact: Triple G is a great fighter but hasn't fought not even one top fighter
Yet you guys are making a big deal with Cotto and GGG's leftovers at a catch weight.
FYI I'm not pushing GGG vs Cotto atm as much as other fights.
Data can be interpreted in many ways, and data can be cherry picked to suit the agenda:
# of PPV flops:
Cotto: 3, maybe 4
GGG: zero
# of times knocked OUT:
Cotto: 2
GGG: zero
# of losses:
Cotto: 4
GGG: zero
KO percentage:
Cotto: 75%
GGG: 91%
Olympic history:
Cotto: Eliminated 1st round
GGG: Won Silver medal
Amateur record:
Cotto: 125-23
GGG: 345-5
Everything I stated was fact, but can be interpreted differently, depending on which agenda you are pursuing.
Fact: Triple G is a great fighter but hasn't fought not even one top fighter
Data can be interpreted in many ways, and data can be cherry picked to suit the agenda:
# of PPV flops:
Cotto: 3, maybe 4
GGG: zero
# of times knocked OUT:
Cotto: 2
GGG: zero
# of losses:
Cotto: 4
GGG: zero
KO percentage:
Cotto: 75%
GGG: 91%
Olympic history:
Cotto: Eliminated 1st round
GGG: Won Silver medal
Amateur record:
Cotto: 125-23
GGG: 345-5
Everything I stated was fact, but can be interpreted differently, depending on which agenda you are pursuing.
I didn't want toget into this but I must react when I see an ignorant post like this. The topic was: Who is more popular, right?
1: It's easy to not have any PPV flops if you didn't fight on PPV yet.
2: It's easy to not get knocked out when your best opponent up to date is Martin Murray. It's harder when you fought the likes of prime Pacquiao or MArgarito with plaster gloves on.
3: Again: It's easier to remain unbeaten against the likes of Geale, Murray and Adama than against the likes of Mayweather or Pacquiao. It's not a knock on Golovkin because I don't think that his levelof opposition is mainly his fault, but these are the facts.
4: Newflash! It's easier to score KO-s against mid tier opponents than against elite opponents and it's also easier to score KO-s in one single weight class than in four different. Let's see if Golovkin goes to lhw or cruiser how many knockouts he will score...
These were widely well known facts too
5: Who the fuck cares about the Olympics? The question was "who is ore popular/is a bigger star. How is the Olympics relevant here?
6: Who the fuck cares about amateur achievements here? We are talking about PROFESSIONAL boxing here and more specifically about who is the bigger name not bout amateur records.
Sorry but your post was just plain stupid.
have you taken a look at cotto's ppv numbers when he was the a-side? underwhelming is the word that comes to mind. ah well i guess its just easier to say he's a huge draw since that is what the status quo has labeled him. we wouldn't want to go against group think now would we?
Cotto-Martinez 350,000 Cotto insisted he was the "a side". lol, must be that lower case a. As you and I know, its all about the opponent with Cotto. Dudes keep talking that "3rd biggest name in the sport", like it means something. You would figure with all these dudes talking about "GGG has 0 ppvs", that Cottos numbers would be nearing a million without the 2 biggest names. You would think that after getting 600,000 with the Margarito rematch, he would easily match that again, because as we are so frequently reminded, "hes the 3rd biggest name in the sport".
Instead, we get 300,000.
LOL you went from a comedian to a butt hurt boxing fan
The transformation has been staggering. He used to just troll all fighters and their fans. But now he's actually latched onto some (Mattthysse, Golovkin, Pacquaio) and turned into a fan himsellf so he's catching feelings now.
daggum is shot.
have the viewing figures for cotto-geale been released yet?
Not before Wednesday. Cable channel weekend ratings are always slower to come in than network ratings.
FACT: the Triple Duck has not sold a single PPV...
Data can be interpreted in many ways, and data can be cherry picked to suit the agenda:
# of PPV flops:
Cotto: 3, maybe 4
GGG: zero
# of times knocked OUT:
Cotto: 2
GGG: zero
# of losses:
Cotto: 4
GGG: zero
KO percentage:
Cotto: 75%
GGG: 91%
Olympic history:
Cotto: Eliminated 1st round
GGG: Won Silver medal
Amateur record:
Cotto: 125-23
GGG: 345-5
Everything I stated was fact, but can be interpreted differently, depending on which agenda you are pursuing.
So, how many PPVs has Bum-love-kin sold?
Cotto recently signed a three fight 50+ million dollar deal. Exactly how much does Bum-love-kin make per fight?
Marinate on that for a while...
That is the magic of it all. While these haters persist in making up irrational posts, Cotto give them hell.
They pray for his demise and he denies them with an arrogant 3rd person victory speech.
"Miguel Cotto, has earned his stripes... Miguel Cotto does not have to concern himself with what GGG wants, Canelo wants... Miguel Cotto will do what Miguel Cotto wants to do and nobody, not WBO, WBC or any other grey-skinned/half dead senile bastard pimp-of-peasants, will dicate to Miguel Cotto...."
Nobody with more than 3 active brain cells can dispute that Cotto is a bigger attraction than GGG. That is fact, and not up for debate. The actual debate is about how far the spread is between them, and it seems the gap is closing. Cotto-stans want to act like GGG is some unknown slob that 99% of boxing fans couldnt pick out of a lineup, and thats just not the case.
The biggest attraction in any circus has always been the freak show. Freak shows are illegal now so they have been replaced with the closest thing... the Cotto and Roach show.
Tell someone to sign a contract. He'll take Froch if he ever replies, or Cotto if he grows a set of balls or Canelo when Oscar allows him to come out and play. Takes TWO to make a PPV. If not, then why wasn't Geale - Cotto a PPV if Cotto is such a STAR? Shouldn't Cotto have been enough to make that fight PPV?
Hahahahaha!
I like how subtle you think you are when trying to SHIELD Canelo from his own cowardice, while pretending to believe that Cotto "has no balls..."
"When Oscar allows him (Canelo) to come out and play..."
Ahahahahahahahaha!
The denial/bias around here is good shyt!
Put GGG on PPV and lets see how many buys he gets. We can laugh about it later.
Tell someone to sign a contract. He'll take Froch if he ever replies, or Cotto if he grows a set of balls or Canelo when Oscar allows him to come out and play. Takes TWO to make a PPV. If not, then why wasn't Geale - Cotto a PPV if Cotto is such a STAR? Shouldn't Cotto have been enough to make that fight PPV?