Who has a better defense? Marcos Maidana or Lucas Matthysse?

Now we all know Matthysse has some quit in him, something Maidana doesn't. If they fought, it's only a matter of time before Maidana makes an Ortiz out of him.

maidana got dropped 3 times vs ortiz, dropped vs khan, hurt vs lopez and soto karass, and dropped in the ams by lucas "no defense" matthysse yet you think he has good defense? yes he is the next floyd mayweather just like khan Lucas was dropped by Danny and molina twice and also Postol. Ortiz has alot of power

Don't be naive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRICQRAaElM

How many of these land clean? Are you trolling? That defense is clearly not as good as Maidana's. Chino showed more skills. Against better opposition than Matthysse on top of that.

Coming from a big Matthysse fan I think his defence is lacking. He tries to block too many shots with parries where he could use a bit more headmovement/ or use shoulders to deflect shots. His chin is also often quite high. The end result is quite a few fights where he has had cuts and swelling on his face. He does have good control of range and rarely gets caught with jabs. Maidana isnt a defensive genius but he has looked a lot better since joining up with Garcia. Keeps his head off centre and his chin tucked which makes him a difficult target. Both are extremely offensive fighters so neither are going to be all that elusive. This is much closer to the truth, Matthysse is very good at controlling range and gets hit only when he's in close trying to trade as that's when you're most vulnerable. Maidana has also looked infinitely better since joining Robert Garcia. Neither exactly boxers but Matthysse is a boxer-puncher and Maidana is brawler with skills.

Maidana doesn't get hit by "bungalows" doe Great defence, Maidana is out on his feet. You see, we can all nitpick. A few gifs don't prove ****. Matthysse is better technical fighter and most of his defence is done the textbook way. Maidana is the opposite and being unconventional is his greatest asset. I'm a big fan of both along with fellow Argentine Maravilla and I have watched plenty of both to make any decision/

Coming from a big Matthysse fan I think his defence is lacking. He tries to block too many shots with parries where he could use a bit more headmovement/ or use shoulders to deflect shots. His chin is also often quite high. The end result is quite a few fights where he has had cuts and swelling on his face. He does have good control of range and rarely gets caught with jabs. Maidana isnt a defensive genius but he has looked a lot better since joining up with Garcia. Keeps his head off centre and his chin tucked which makes him a difficult target. Both are extremely offensive fighters so neither are going to be all that elusive.

How many of these land clean?

Seeing as you want me to play your stupid gif game: Perfect slip and counter Defensive awareness to slip and parry even when going for the kill Simple slip and counter (Matthysse does this throughout entire fights) http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/16671-how-he-did-it-underrated-technician-matthysse-not-just-a-bomber

Apparently the gif I posted isn't showing up on some browsers. Here's the same gif from a different domain. http://i.imgur.com/TxPahqK.gif

where's that clip of maidana pimp smacking floyd and then rolling the counter while his back was on the ropes? it's from the rematch, in like round 10 or 11. people still think this is the same guy who fought ortiz lol. Found it. Also, great point by Brickyardigan. Some fighters like Maidana can improve. Intelligent fighter. This gif proves it. Show me one gif where Lucas rolled a punch from a top-level ATG boxer. Just one. http://share.gifyoutube.com/vpwY2q.gif

People seem to forget that fighters can improve.. What people really are underestimating about Maidana is that he is an adapter, some type of mutant fighter. Everytime he fights a new style, he gains something from that fight. Like Mayweather for instance, in the second fight he started using backwards footwork and feints to counter. Maidana is a deceptively smart fighter and he has the best jab in my opinion in the division. Whenever Mayweather hurt Maidana to the body in the first fight, Maidana will play poker and will throw the jab at there, to keep Mayweather off. Maidana will unmercifully destroy Matthyse and I doubt he will get hit much.

Maidana is hurt just about every fight. He has been down 5 times in his career. Matthysse has been down once and he wasn't exactly knocked on his back. And note that Matthysse has faced the better opposition and the bigger punchers. EDIT: outside of Mayweather. Matthysse was down twice against Molina and once against Garcia.

Salim_Shady, name one time, just one, Matthysse slipped punches like Maidana. This is aggression? LMAO, pass the pipe, dog. http://share.gifyoutube.com/mGl2ZM.gif Let me guess. This is aggression too. http://share.gifyoutube.com/y7L5zn.gif

Why do all of their common opponents say Matthysse hits harder than Maidana? get off Maidana's dick, dog. Where in my post did I say Maidana is the bigger puncher? You're smoking Matthysse's pole. Pass it to one of the other clowns who voted Matthysse. Matthysse may punch harder with a single shot -- which is debatable but makes sense because, after all, his punches are straighter -- but Maidana knows how to land more bombs. Seriously, can you imagine Lucas doing to Mayweather what Chino did? F*** no. Offensively, Maidana is more savvy than Matthysse. Watch Maidana-Soto Karass and you will see. Maidana knows how to run combinations on a bitch. He would finish the job with Ruslan. Something Matthysse couldn't do, although I respect Lucas for beating him from pillar to post with the exception of the eleventh. Also you ducked my post. Maidana beat Matthysse, like, three times in the amateurs. And one draw. Maidana's aggression is his defence. This is aggression? LMAO, pass the pipe, dog. http://share.gifyoutube.com/mGl2ZM.gif Let me guess. This is aggression too. http://share.gifyoutube.com/y7L5zn.gif

Maidana beat Matthysse, like, three times in the amateurs. And one draw. This is aggression? LMAO, pass the pipe, dog. http://share.gifyoutube.com/mGl2ZM.gif Let me guess. This is aggression too. http://share.gifyoutube.com/y7L5zn.gif I thought Mayweather won when I watched it live. But when I watched it again on mute at 1080p 60 fps I thought it was a draw. They honestly could have given the decision to Maidana and there wouldn't be any uproar. Unlike Matthysse, Maidana would break Ruslan's chin. I care about Ruslan. I don't want to see that fight. Too brutal for life. Look at my gif above. Maidana can box on the backfoot very well. Also read LoadedWraps' post. Maidana is more well rounded than you think. Why do all of their common opponents say Matthysse hits harder than Maidana? get off Maidana's dick, dog.

Maidana probably, but he did get hit a lot by Khan. I suspect more because of the speed than angles.

Chino made Floyd miss alot more than people realize. He is deceptively slicker than given credit for. I have no problem with someone saying Lucas though. His D is underrated as well.

Maidana can, if he stays hungry, he can possibly beat every welterweight besides Mayweather right now. I was trying to tell people that Pacquiao does not have the weird subltle skills that Maidana possesses. The only way to beat Maidana is if you attack his body unmercifully. Maidana defence is very underrated, it's much better than Pacquiaos, Broner, and especially Matthyse, who was getting hit clean by slow punches from Prod. Maidana can fight moving backwards, slip and roll punches and he has an excellent jab.

Believe what you want to believe. As an amateur boxer with over 30 bouts, Matthysse has shown me that he is more technically adept and has shown me the greater ability to slip an parry in the textbook manner. Maidana's aggression is his defence. And 60% of the poll agree with me. Maidana beat Matthysse, like, three times in the amateurs. And one draw. Maidana's aggression is his defence. This is aggression? LMAO, pass the pipe, dog. http://share.gifyoutube.com/mGl2ZM.gif Let me guess. This is aggression too. http://share.gifyoutube.com/y7L5zn.gif Please don't tell me you think Maidana won the first fight? I thought Mayweather won when I watched it live. But when I watched it again on mute at 1080p 60 fps I thought it was a draw. They honestly could have given the decision to Maidana and there wouldn't be any uproar. That suggests Maidana would make Ruslan miss all night, imo there's a good chance Provodnikov knocks Maidana out. Unlike Matthysse, Maidana would break Ruslan's chin. I care about Ruslan. I don't want to see that fight. Too brutal for life. Matthysse won that fight through being able to box on the backfoot, Maidana wouldn't necessarily be able to. Look at my gif above. Maidana can box on the backfoot very well. Also read LoadedWraps' post. Maidana is more well rounded than you think.