Who Makes The P4P List for Ring Magzine

2014 Fighter of the Year. Has a marquee win over Gamboa. Just became a 2-weight champ. Also Inoue belongs over Golovkin. My list: Mayweather Pacquiao Gonzalez Rigondeaux Klitschko Kovalev Bradley Crawford Inoue Uchiyama Definitely didn't deserve fighter of the year last year imo. Inoue had a better year basically beating two number #1's in two different weight divisions (Narvaez and Hernandez were both #1 when Inoue beat them) and in more impressive fashion than Crawford did Gamboa and Burns. Why is Gamboa such a marquee name? He was coming off a year of inactivity before that only fought once in 2012. It was only his second fight at 135 and was giving Crawford the business until the size disadvantage took affect. GGG's best wins are comparable to Crawfords. GGG also has more wins agaisnt top 10 fighters than Crawford. He's also defeated them in more impressive fashion than Crawford has. Crawford struggled with Gamboa and Dulorme (Dulorme should have been up either 3-2 or 4-1 going into the 6th round). GGG barely loses a round and people criticize him like crazy. This was roughly the ranking of their opposition at the time they fought them: Murray (top 5 overall), Geale (top 10 overall), Rubio (top 10), Stevens (top 10), Macklin (top 10 has fallen off tremedously), Proska (ranked by some organizing bodies), Rosado (ranked highly at 154 by most sanctioning organizations before moving up), Monroe (#2 WBA), Ouma (former champion )>>> Gamboa (i don't even know if gamboa was ranked at 135 at that time or where, but he didn't do much at that weight), Beltran (top 10 overall), Dulorme (ranked by organizing bodies), Burns (top 3 overall), Prescott (not top 10 at 140 when Bud fought him-but I respect this win for taking it on short notice) Like I stated previously, Comparable resumes but GGG has beat his opposition in a more convincing fashion. GGG has also faced more ranked opponents. GGG has been champion much longer and has more titles defenses. Of course all lists are subjective and i'm not trying to sh*t on you're list. But it's crazy how much people hate GGG, yet they say Crawford deserves to be a head of him for having done less. I really like Crawford but people have to slow it down a little. I would have him somewhere at 11-15. Uchiyama is without a doubt Top 10!!! Yama almost gets no respect. I really like your list for the most part though, except imo Pacquaio has not been top 2 p4p for a while. Also, while I'm a big Bradley fan, not sure he's done enough to stay there if he has he's probably like 9 or 10 (Uchiyama should be ranked a head imo). But everyone has their own opinion and you have to respect it.

What a fucking joke. Golovkin over Crawford. Wow, just wow! Why should Crawford be over GGG?

http://rin gtv.craveonline.com/news/176459-dougies-friday-mailbag-97 that's interesting, and thanks for providing the link. it's kind of an odd look for doug fisher to be airing stuff out like that in public. it sounds like there's some real conflict there. a chuck giampa dictatorship is a very flawed rating system. i'd be embarrassed for ring mag if that policy was in place during 2012, when the article was written, or now. That mailbag is from 2012 and there is nothing to indicate whether that is still how things are today or if they have changed. If it means that much to someone, why not write an email to Dougie and ask him about it.

http://rin gtv.craveonline.com/news/176459-dougies-friday-mailbag-97 that's interesting, and thanks for providing the link. it's kind of an odd look for doug fisher to be airing stuff out like that in public. it sounds like there's some real conflict there. a chuck giampa dictatorship is a very flawed rating system. i'd be embarrassed for ring mag if that policy was in place during 2012, when the article was written, or now.

Not too bad, 1000x better than boxrec P4P Rankings which the last time I checked had Canelo #3 :lol1:

He's there, at #10 1. Mayweather 2. Gonzalez 3. Pacquiao 4. Klitschko 5. Bradley 6. Froch 7. Rigondeaux 8. Estrada 9. Kovalev 10. Golovkin http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/ That is an atrocious list.

do you have a link for that? i'm not seeing it made explicit anywhere on the website that the p4p list differs from the regular ratings. the "ratings chairman," "editorial board," and a panel of writers all have input, according to the website. http://rin gtv.craveonline.com/news/176459-dougies-friday-mailbag-97 The pound-for-pound rankings as it is now is just Chuck Giampa's list.

Usually I agree with TBRB but yikes...is that updated?

The RING became a joke a long time ago. Golovkin does not belong in the P4P top 10. When TBRB's list comes out today, he won't be there. He's there, at #10 1. Mayweather 2. Gonzalez 3. Pacquiao 4. Klitschko 5. Bradley 6. Froch 7. Rigondeaux 8. Estrada 9. Kovalev 10. Golovkin http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/

You need to take all P4P lists with a grain of salt, even your own, because your own list is just your opinion, just like everyone elses. On that note, I am surprised the Ring does not have Canelo in their top 10 list. Maybe it is because he does not have an official weight class anymore LOL

Ward does not belong on ANY P4P list until he starts fighting top competition at a rate of at least 2 per year. His inactivity since 2011 is impossible to ignore and he basically has to start over. I would put Rigo on the list, but not above the 5 position because in my book, 15 fights is not enough to be a top 5 P4P fighter and amateur records do not count. Golovkin is fine at number 4. His activity makes up for the fact that most top fighters refuse to fight him. And if anyone has a problem with him being there, they are simply refusing to see the quality of the fighter due to whatever fog of hate is over their eyes. For the future, I could see Crawford rising fast if he keeps fighting and rising to the top if he keeps fighting and beating top contenders. I don't see GGG moving above number 3 unless his quality of opponent increases. I could see Gonzalez at number one, followed by Crawford and then Golovkin or Kovalev. The rest will be up for grabs because there will be a lot of changes due to retirements in the next few years... Floyd, Pacquaio, Froch and Wlad will all be gone soon enough. Will Ward be able to do enough to deserve a place on the list again? It all depends on what he does in the next two years. I think he needs fights against people like Kovalev, Stevenson and GGG to get him back up the list. Not necessarily wins, just good showings without getting KOd along the way.

mayweather klitschko gonzalez rigodeaux kovalev golovkin froch pacquaio crawford canelo no ward due too inactivity froch is next too go due too inactivity

Golovkin is above those guys from 5-9 based on which of his wins? Rigondeaux beat Donaire --> better win than any of Golovkin's Pacquiao beat Bradley --> better win than any of GGG's Crawford beat Gamboa --> better win than any of Golovkin's Kovalev beat Pascal and a 49 years old Hopkins --> better win than any of Golovkin's JMM --> I can give that because JMM is inactive so I don't have him on my list So it seems like they push above and above Golovkin by each of his fights where he feasts on second/third tier opponents. Sorry but the hype is just ludacrous. I couldn't care less the way he beata them, those are still second and third tier opponents not opponent who should catapult you to P4P lists with wins over them. I'm not hating, even if it seems like that I just don't like unreasoning **** and when guys take place on P4P #4 without any signature, big win. You rip GGG yet praise Crawford. What exactly has Crawford done to merit a top 10 position? His best win is Gamboa, who was coming off a year of inactivity (before that he only fought once in 2012) and it was only his second fight at 135 and was basically giving Terence the business for the first 4 rounds. He even lost most of the rounds against Thomas freaking Dulorme until the knockout. I like the kid but people are hyping him up like crazy and need to slow it down. Crawford is like 11-15, currently imo. Murray, Geale, Rubio, Stevens, Macklin, Proska, Rosado, Monroe, Ouma>>>Gamboa, Beltran, Dulorme, Burns, Prescott Whether you like his opposition or not, most of the guys GGG has faced were ranked either in the top 10 overall or top 10 by an organization at the time he faced them. GGG has more names than Crawford and imo has beaten all of his opposition in a more convincing manner. Uchiyama deserves the spot over Crawford and Yamanaka. Yamanaka over Crawford imo.

I personally think it is one of the best p4p lists that the Ring have created in a long time. I'd slightly favour Uchiyama or Inoue over Yamanaka to be in the top 10 but Yamanaka's place is certainly not unjustified and it is about time that the top Asian-based Asian fighters get a look in. Yamanaka, Uchiyama, Inoue, Ruenroeng and Nietes are all somewhere in the top 20 for me.

My list: 1- Floyd Mayweather 2- Guillermo Rigondeaux 3- Sergey Kovalev 4- Manny Pacquiao 5- Vasyl Lomachenko 6- Roman Gonzalez 7- Gennady Golovkin 8- Terrence Crawford, Danny Garcia should be here officialy cuz ON PAPER he beat everybody, but imo he didn't so i'll give this one to Crawford 9- Wladimir Clinchko 10- Erislandy Lara, but officially Canelo should be here cuz he beat Lara on paper, but I thought Lara won so I give it to Lara.

JMM and Froch should be off the list due to 1 year of inactivity Froch hasn't been inactive a year yet, but I think the Ring limit is 18 months.

JMM and Froch should be off the list due to 1 year of inactivity

Both of them hold by many people as future P4P stars and super talents, that's why I made the comparison. Other than that the difference is really just a Gary Russell fight for Loma and while Russell is fine I don't see that as huge-huge difference. So basically for me no way that someone can be P4P top 10 with basically one valuable win and a 4-1 record. Sorry, just no. I don't say he can't be a P4P star in the future I just don't go overboard and don't say that he belongs there already. Yes P4P lists are subjective but I always thought that there's a bigger consensus on fighters' resumes than on who is the best talent by "eye tests". neither do i. you're talking about a fighter in spence who isn't close to contention, and lomachenko, who is a top contender, and not really recognizing the difference.

comparing the resume of fighters in different weight classes is inherently subjective. a p4p list is inherently subjective. and there's a big difference between what lomachenko is doing and what spence is doing. big difference. i wouldn't have lomachenko on my p4p list, but you shouldn't mention them as if they are a direct comparison. Both of them hold by many people as future P4P stars and super talents, that's why I made the comparison. Other than that the difference is really just a Gary Russell fight for Loma and while Russell is fine I don't see that as huge-huge difference. So for me no way that someone can be P4P top 10 with basically one valuable win and a 4-1 record. Sorry, just no. I don't say he can't be a P4P star in the future I just don't go overboard and don't say that he belongs there already. Yes P4P lists are subjective but I always thought that there's a bigger consensus on fighters' resumes than on who is the best talent by "eye tests".

Actually, a panel does not do the p4p rankings. They only do the divisional rankings. Only one person is charge of the p4p list, and that's Chuck Giampa. This guy. do you have a link for that? i'm not seeing it made explicit anywhere on the website that the p4p list differs from the regular ratings. the "ratings chairman," "editorial board," and a panel of writers all have input, according to the website.