How would Ali fare in todays HW division?

Please tell me you are just trolling.

Jennings has a better physique than Ali did as a true heavyweight (190 lbs doesn't count.. By 230 Ali was getting fat) much less ali's disgusting exercise allergic opponents like buster mathis and joe frazier. Better focus on the alleged "skill gap". The every modern hw is Chris Arreola angle is spent. Historical heavies had one thing going for them... They were American. Even low quality barroom/caveman-style fighters like Frazier who lost athletics tournaments to a race car driver and couldn't run 100 yards without having an asthma attack despite being an average sized guy got enough media exposure to seem like epic wins in that claustrophobic era. That pathetic low garbage standard was a "clash of the titans" when network TV and the mob were on the same page and the world outside of the US/UK was just starting to take interest. Excellent points made.

joe frazier had bad stamina? is that what you're trying to tell me? It's not hard to go 15 ****ing rounds when you weigh as much as a modern HW's leg, barely ****ing move your body and hit with all the power of an electric shaver you ****in idiot! Ali lost to about 11 bums and cruisers! Norton, x3 Frazier x2 Shavers Lyle Young Jones Holmes Berbick These fights which were given to Ali were blatant gifts and can't possibly viewed otherwise. He lost them! Was extremely lucky, cheated and had strange circumstances in Foreman. Some would say lost to Cooper also or atleast cheated to survive. Then there was farcial scoring and other circumstances in many other fights also, we all know them. None of these guys could box today man, Lyle and Foreman might have been able to have some success at low level but come on, a 220lb plodder puncher? Unless you can move like Haye or something you ain't plodding at that weight OR hitting like Foreman did either.

He beat Haye and Jennings convincingly. More the point as if Haye and Jennings wouldn't have simply destroyed Ali themselves anyway. Look at Ali, look at them!

Joe Frazier was never fat in his prime. He was a short smallish heavyweight for his era. In his prime at 195 he was quite low body fat. After he beat Ali he ballooned up when he fought local heroes like Daniels and Stander but those were tune up fights. Diet and nutritional knowledge were basic compared to today. So were training methods. Frazier only did a morning run, then ate breakfast took a short nap then did warm up exercises, then worked on his skills and sparred for a few hours and after that took the day off and ate on schedule. These days Wlad does that in the morning/early afternoon and in the evening he would do more exercises. Joe Frazier prime 195lbs? His best win was Ali when he weighed 210+lbs. 195lbs is not even a real HW. In fact you'll struggle to find any Cruiser coming in as that even on weigh in! And how experienced was Joe at that weight too? This myth is busted and this poster should be boycotted for such baseless trash talk. He was a fat little bum mate. Deal with it!

With modern day training meaning for pure athleticism and strength and nutrition for size, it would make him more competitive but the fact remains he was a bummy boxer! The guy just didn't have enough skills to compete today! Plain and simple! That rubbish was fine back in the day but who is it gonna threaten today? Tyson Fury is a modern day Ali. It takes a guy the size of Fury who has similar skillset to make that work. No matter how much training or food you pumped into Ali, he would never have been as formidable as Fury. That is just a fact, get over it! As for if he was trained in modern skills, well then OBVIOUSLY he would no longer even BE Muhammad Ali! If you taught him to dodge punches, to hit properly and all that stuff, he would no longer be the punch bag weakling you all love anyway!

Jennings has a better physique than Ali did as a true heavyweight (190 lbs doesn't count.. By 230 Ali was getting fat) much less ali's disgusting exercise allergic opponents like buster mathis and joe frazier. Better focus on the alleged "skill gap". The every modern hw is Chris Arreola angle is spent. Historical heavies had one thing going for them... They were American. Even low quality barroom/caveman-style fighters like Frazier who lost athletics tournaments to a race car driver and couldn't run 100 yards without having an asthma attack despite being an average sized guy got enough media exposure to seem like epic wins in that claustrophobic era. That pathetic low garbage standard was a "clash of the titans" when network TV and the mob were on the same page and the world outside of the US/UK was just starting to take interest. Joe Frazier was never fat in his prime. He was a short smallish heavyweight for his era. In his prime at 195 he was quite low body fat. After he beat Ali he ballooned up when he fought local heroes like Daniels and Stander but those were tune up fights. Diet and nutritional knowledge were basic compared to today. So were training methods. Frazier only did a morning run, then ate breakfast took a short nap then did warm up exercises, then worked on his skills and sparred for a few hours and after that took the day off and ate on schedule. These days Wlad does that in the morning/early afternoon and in the evening he would do more exercises.

Ali would have modern day training and nutrition That's something few people take into account when they compare fighters of different eras. If Ali was boxing today he would have been born and raised in the 1980's or 90's, not the early 1940's. So he would have had better nutrition since childhood, not just while training. People, on average are bigger now than their parents and grandparents, because of better nutrition and higher calorie intake while growing. Ali was a big heavyweight for his day. Take that into account and imagine him maybe 6.4 or 6.5, instead of 6.3, and weighing in at around 235/40 lbs. He'd be a little slower, yes, but stronger, and the talent that made him such a great boxer would still be there.

why does everyone act like povetkin is so good, hes just a basic boxer puncher. Ali would dance around him and hit him with the jab scoring points then would throw some flurries also if he had too. Easy work for Ali he's european And he can't be good as well? Povetkin IS good, but Ali was great, maybe the greatest heavyweight ever. (Apart from Tyson Fury, of course.) Ali would box Povetkin's head off all night long, Wlad and Wilder's too.

Conveniently fail to mention Wlad is clearly past prime. Wlad is too big for Ali get over the emotion and use logic, Ali would put up a good fight but Wlad is too strong. Not to mention how easily he would dominate Fraizer and Foreman, Vitali vs Fraizer would be an exact copy of Vitali vs Chisora (Chisora and Fraizer are very similar in talent and style) You made a lot of racists posts. Racist people on the Internet are usually not that successful in life. I doubt you drive a nice car or have lots of money. Can you imagine someone with a nice salary and job writing stuff like :blacks be losing great black hope! I like all fighters regardless of skin color. Stop with the racism lol. Also is Prime Lewis big enough for Wlad? Or Lewis will lose too because you know..he's black.

Jennings has a better physique than Ali did as a true heavyweight (190 lbs doesn't count.. By 230 Ali was getting fat) much less ali's disgusting exercise allergic opponents like buster mathis and joe frazier. Better focus on the alleged "skill gap". The every modern hw is Chris Arreola angle is spent. Historical heavies had one thing going for them... They were American. Even low quality barroom/caveman-style fighters like Frazier who lost athletics tournaments to a race car driver and couldn't run 100 yards without having an asthma attack despite being an average sized guy got enough media exposure to seem like epic wins in that claustrophobic era. That pathetic low garbage standard was a "clash of the titans" when network TV and the mob were on the same page and the world outside of the US/UK was just starting to take interest. joe frazier had bad stamina? is that what you're trying to tell me?

Fury would put him to sleep.

modern nutrition at HW: http://www.foodsmackdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lazy-dog-cafe-westminster-ca-lazy-dog-burger-and-fries-610x407.jpg http://www.yakimamagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Olympia-YM-6-560x394.jpg evolution Jennings has a better physique than Ali did as a true heavyweight (190 lbs doesn't count.. By 230 Ali was getting fat) much less ali's disgusting exercise allergic opponents like buster mathis and joe frazier. Better focus on the alleged "skill gap". The every modern hw is Chris Arreola angle is spent. Historical heavies had one thing going for them... They were American. Even low quality barroom/caveman-style fighters like Frazier who lost athletics tournaments to a race car driver and couldn't run 100 yards without having an asthma attack despite being an average sized guy got enough media exposure to seem like epic wins in that claustrophobic era. That pathetic low garbage standard was a "clash of the titans" when network TV and the mob were on the same page and the world outside of the US/UK was just starting to take interest.

He wouldn't get past Bryant Jennings with his modern day training and nutrition and etc. Too much chin, too much modern. modern nutrition at HW: http://www.foodsmackdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lazy-dog-cafe-westminster-ca-lazy-dog-burger-and-fries-610x407.jpg http://www.yakimamagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Olympia-YM-6-560x394.jpg evolution

I don't understand how anyone can see the struggles Wlad had with two fairly talented movers in Haye and Jennings and think he doesn't get his ass kicked by Muhammad Ali. He beat Haye and Jennings convincingly.

Ali ducked Briggs

I think he would be a contender but not get past Wlad, Pov, Haye. Joe Frazier was a crude unathletic man and took years off Ali's life. Skilled boxers with way more power would outclass him. But I voted not in the top 10 because I meet so many nerds who have never even watched a single Ali fight but wear tshirts with his face on them. I want to bash them up.

I don't understand how anyone can see the struggles Wlad had with two fairly talented movers in Haye and Jennings and think he doesn't get his ass kicked by Muhammad Ali.

Ali is bigger than boxing, he is the greatest sportsman in the 20th century. regardless of the weight class he would fight in, he would be the number.1 star and he would attract millions to the sport, it's about personality and charisma. He made over a billion person to watch his fights in 70s, I can't imagine what he would achieve in the age of internet. Really? About the only thing notable about Muhammad Ali's fights, is that they made even Wladimir Klitschko's look ****ing exciting! :lol1: You know the REAL weirdo thing about you Americans who diss the Global era of boxing? It's that you in fact DID have a great champ once who actually WOULD have been up there with the best today. In fact 2 of them atleast! Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield. But instead of that, you decide to carry on with this blatant BS that no idiot in their right mind could swallow and most school kids wouldn't ****ing sweat in the street. It's a joke. A sick bloody joke!

And no, Primo Carnera wasn't great.