Post Klitschko-Jennings thoughts: clinching and PUSHING against the rules?

Dude, it wasn't BLATANT Mark Coleman style shoving though. It wasn't even a shove, it was literally just keeping Jennings off of him for a bit with some nudges. Some level of ****ing contact should be given. HOWEVER, boxing rules do state that pushing isn't allowed. NO ****ing rules state that clinching isn't allowed. The ref took a point here, clearly. How many times did Jennings dive in with his head low leaving ONE possible outcome? A CLINCH. Dude if he's so low that he can't be hit, it's basically him coming in with a free shot if clinching isn't allowed. If clinching is to be banned, so should coming in with your head low and getting under someone's armpit and slamming them in the ribs. The point still REMAINS though, is a referee justified in deducting a point for something that is clearly ALLOWED in modern boxing rules? Rigondeauz does a thing were he makes guys miss while in a Philly Shell and pushes them off with his shoulder....every single time he has done this he has been warned.....Whether you agree or not is not relevant...it's against the rules and rightly so...Oh I don't feel like fighting you right now so I'll just push you or hold you? Infighting should be done the way James Toney does it..

And it's not a coincidence that this is the only fight I can think of where he couldn't clinch whenever he wants. Wlad needs to clinch, because he isn't comfortable in a real fight. Cheating is how he protects himself. Protect himself from what? Jennings couldn't land anything to the head. Wlad looks better when he doesn't rely on the clinch - forces him to mount an offense.

Wlad looked the worst I've ever seen him And it's not a coincidence that this is the only fight I can think of where he couldn't clinch whenever he wants. Wlad needs to clinch, because he isn't comfortable in a real fight. Cheating is how he protects himself.

You're not supposed to be allowed to excessively grab and push. It's in the rules. Wlad almost always excessively grabs and pushes. Frankly, the ref should have delivered on his warnings earlier. He gave like 4 or 5 "One more and I'll take a point" warnings before actually doing it.

Why is there a question mark in the thread title?

Klitschko apologists claiming Jennings at fault for the clinching. Lol. Same guys who tried to convince us that Povetkin was at fault in their fight. I don't even care about the clinching. We know it's there and yesterday wasn't even bad. What was wrong with this fight was that he fought a guy that shouldn't be in the ring with him. If Klitschko was only allowed to jab he'd still win. Jennings is a tough guy and bla bla, but honestly, he has limited skills and power. As predicted it was a waste of time fight. The only surprise is that Jennings didn't end up on his back.

Wlad looked the worst I've ever seen him

The first Foreman-Fraser fight is repeated a lot. I'm sure everyone saw it. What did Foreman do? Every time Fraser got close, Foreman pushed him away and kept at a comfortable distance for his own punches to be the most effective. I don't remember hearing a lot of complaints about this.

This is boxing, not judo. Of course clinch it's a foul, nobody will complaint if you are hurt and clinch for a full round. But not as a strategics, you have to step aside or fight. But I dont think vlad started all the clinchs, Jennings clinched a lot too.

The clinching sucks. Pushing should be legal, it's basically just a 2 handed punch and prevents tie ups...

That's why I'm falling to sleep during Wlad's fights. And Ward's as well.

How can you be a boxing fan and not even know the rules? Rules for Championship Fights - World Boxing Council A list of common fouls that may be committed by boxers (or seconds, where the context is appropriate) that may be cause for penalty or disqualification is as follows: 13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch. Grustler does not even know what excessive holding means

I stand corrected. I Googled boxing rules before the fight, but not WBC rules. I'd never heard of this rule and I bet many haven't either. It's not on the BoxRec rules. +rep Lol everyone around here knows that rule. Everyone.

How can you be a boxing fan and not even know the rules? Rules for Championship Fights - World Boxing Council A list of common fouls that may be committed by boxers (or seconds, where the context is appropriate) that may be cause for penalty or disqualification is as follows: 13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch. I stand corrected. I Googled boxing rules before the fight, but not WBC rules. I'd never heard of this rule and I bet many haven't either. It's not on the BoxRec rules. +rep

Lol u serious? You're not allowed to blatantly push off repeatedly in fights. Biased refs? Bull****, the refs he has overseas have been strongly biased in his favor for not deducting points and issuing warnings. It's not like this is Wlads first time, it happens in ALL of his fights! Did you see his fight with Alexander Povetkin? Absolutely disgraceful he wasn't deducted points. He could have been deducted points as early as round 1!!! And the ref allowed him to do it the entire fight. He clearly has a nasty habit of bending the rules which he does to his advantage. Dude, it wasn't BLATANT Mark Coleman style shoving though. It wasn't even a shove, it was literally just keeping Jennings off of him for a bit with some nudges. Some level of ****ing contact should be given. HOWEVER, boxing rules do state that pushing isn't allowed. NO ****ing rules state that clinching isn't allowed. The ref took a point here, clearly. How many times did Jennings dive in with his head low leaving ONE possible outcome? A CLINCH. Dude if he's so low that he can't be hit, it's basically him coming in with a free shot if clinching isn't allowed. If clinching is to be banned, so should coming in with your head low and getting under someone's armpit and slamming them in the ribs. The point still REMAINS though, is a referee justified in deducting a point for something that is clearly ALLOWED in modern boxing rules?

They boxed and didn't initiate 150 clinches and nonstop fouls everytime they got in the ring. When you are unnecessarily clinching more times in a round than you are punching there is something seriously wrong. This isn't about who else has clinched in boxing. It's about clinching being a part of the sport. If a dude has his face buried in your chest, you have the right to tie his ass up. If a dude is about to bust you in the face, you have the right to tie his ass up. If you're in a bad position and need to reset, you have the right to tie his ass up. That's the point of this thread. Pushing and clinching are PART of boxing.

Most of the holding was initiated by jennings, he was bullrushing wlad's armpit and never protested because he's thoroughly punching wlad's body effectively

I'm sorry, but if you watch Jennings arms when Vlad came in close he put his arms around Vlad's waist,he did not try and fight any clinches or holding off, he was equally willing to hold and let Vlad hold him. Usually I agree Vlad holds and normally should be deducted a point because his opponent most of the time is a victim of Vlad's holding. They try to fight out or push Vlad off. Jennings however, accepted and also reached out to hold Vlad just as much as Vlad tried to hold him. Every time Vlad got inside Jennings reached out to hug and put his arms around Vlad. Jennings rarely pushed Vlad away. As for the ref he was way to one-sided, although you can to some extent excuse his warnings about holding, everything Vlad did the ref warned him over and over Whether it be pushing off or just Vlad using his jab. Now we know why Vlad never fights it the US. Jennings is getting way to much credit for just running around the ring all night. He was just in it to go 12rds. He never threw a head shot and his body punches were half-hearted at best. As for Vlad's trainer, Johnathon Banks, he needs to be fired. He gave Vlad horrible advice. He gave him advice as if it was he who was fighting Jennings. Telling Vlad to use his legs and box around the ring. As if Vlad is a mover like Mayweather. Giving a guy who is 6'6" directions to dance around the ring. Jameel Mccline is a perfect example of what happens to a fighter who is above 6'5" and tries to dance around the ring using their legs like a featherweight. I agree on all points. Why on earth was the HBO crew worshiping Jennings so hard? Cause he didn't get KTFO so quickly? That goes to show you how destructive Klitschko has been - that an undefeated top contender doesn't get KOd in 6 rounds and he's a BEAST. The ref was extremely biased. Klitschko was losing focus when told not to clinch, and push. Don't push? God what a bias ref. With that said, Klitschko needs to develop a serious inside game in case he runs across another bull**** ref like that again. His inside game up to this point has been to literally neutralize the other fighter when he gets inside. Tonight, he clearly was thrown off by the trash reffing. I believe we will see a better, more typical Klitschko performance next time.

I'm sorry, but if you watch Jennings arms when Vlad came in close he put his arms around Vlad's waist,he did not try and fight any clinches or holding off, he was equally willing to hold and let Vlad hold him. Usually I agree Vlad holds and normally should be deducted a point because his opponent most of the time is a victim of Vlad's holding. They try to fight out or push Vlad off. Jennings however, accepted and also reached out to hold Vlad just as much as Vlad tried to hold him. Every time Vlad got inside Jennings reached out to hug and put his arms around Vlad. Jennings rarely pushed Vlad away. As for the ref he was way to one-sided, although you can to some extent excuse his warnings about holding, everything Vlad did the ref warned him over and over Whether it be pushing off or just Vlad using his jab. Now we know why Vlad never fights it the US. Jennings is getting way to much credit for just running around the ring all night. He was just in it to go 12rds. He never threw a head shot and his body punches were half-hearted at best. As for Vlad's trainer, Johnathon Banks, he needs to be fired. He gave Vlad horrible advice. He gave him advice as if it was he who was fighting Jennings. Telling Vlad to use his legs and box around the ring. As if Vlad is a mover like Mayweather. Giving a guy who is 6'6" 250lbs directions to dance around the ring. Jameel Mccline is a perfect example of what happens to a fighter who is above 6'5" and tries to dance around the ring using their legs like a featherweight.

Funny to because so many ATG have been able to hit and hold or just hold when it was of convienance "ALI"...foreman was the absolute king of pushing his opponents and he is a legend....its obvious newbs and biased ppl are commenting mostly. They boxed and didn't initiate 150 clinches and nonstop fouls everytime they got in the ring. When you are unnecessarily clinching more times in a round than you are punching there is something seriously wrong.