another Freddy Roach 7 time trainer of the year casualty

It's a stretch to have an intelligent debate on this site lol And to small minds who take it personally instead of debating points, which is the point of having a branching opinion. to deepen your insight on the sport of boxing. Just like the media, who votes for Roach's coach of the year award, are entitled to their opinion, I am as well.

Yeah, lets have all boxers fight like Floyd Gayweather where he runs a marathon every fight. I would stop following boxing, good for ROACH for emphasizing offensive output, good for roach.

You guys are such floyd dick riding Americans its sick. Roach is underrated in my opinion, look what he did with cotto? NO other trainer in boxing can rejuvenate a past his prime diva like roach has. He's the trainer of arguably one of the bust p4p fighter EVER. Ruslan is better with Roach, FACT. "He's only taken one fighter that i know of and made him better and that's Manny Pacquiao."--YOU, guy who said this. Delete your account and stop following boxing, please.

You're such a hater. Yeah lets see Provodnikov fight like Mayweather lol. Every fighter has their own strengths, his style of fighting is what is best for him. It's the way he fights and he has gotten better under roach. I watch boxing. I'm making observational points. Do you not agree about strengthening weaknesses? Think of it, though the eye's of your looking for a trainer, because you want to get into boxing at a high level. Would you not look to get the best coach possible? Who said Provo should fight like Mayweather? Fact is, provo fought two fighters that used the exact same approach a year apart. Your estimation is he's getting better? I'm saying under a different coach he would get a better well rounded approach learning how to catch and shoot with the right hand. or slip inside and throw a jab to the body or throw a looping right over the jab. Something within his skill set as a brawler.

I'm hard pressed to find any kind of acolytes besides, Pacquiao, that would earn him such high praise among his coaching peers. From a business perspective he's great doing fabulous with guys like Provodnikov who are groomed to be high level sparring partners. I feel bad for him because, boxing is not a tough mans sport, were taking flush shots for 12 rounds is a badge of honor. But for him actually teaching a boxer how to use the basic fundamentals of defense to offense, setting up varying shots... very lacking. He teaches every fighter that walks through his doors, to volley of punches up the middle. Freddy Roach is the walmart of boxing schools, sorely just above the worst trainer of all time Buddy McGirt. You're such a hater. Yeah lets see Provodnikov fight like Mayweather lol. Every fighter has their own strengths, his style of fighting is what is best for him. It's the way he fights and he has gotten better under roach.

Linares has power, no chin. What exactly have Linares and Khan done since they've left Roach? Linares is barely heard from despite his massive talent. Khan beat a hapless Alexander but has been B- level fighters since leaving Roach. Khan doesn't even want to fight Garcia again despite developing an "elite neck" under hunter. Provodnikov is what he is. No trainer is gonna make him a Pacquiao or a Floyd. 3 fights back, would anybody have thought that he had a shot at Lucas? Linares, has no power, and a weak chin with excessive boxing skills. Since losing, brutally, under Freddy roach He's gone back to his roots fighting in japan, and he is winning. And though not on the big stage has a more balanced style offensive and defensive. Khan has looked much more improved since leaving Roach. Under Roach he was blown up Fighting Garcia because his technique throwing shots was not to bring them back to his chin. Roach a trainer should have seen those flaws and worked on them. Roach himself said he looks at tape and reads a fighters tendencies his flaws, his own fighter had basic ones. Roaches style of training made those fighters reckless and flawed. Guillermo Rigondeaux got the jist early, and left, and is arguably one of the best technical boxers out there. Realize I'm talking about the education of boxing not popularity. After seeing Chris Algeri open the book on "lessons with the jab" last year. And Lucas continue that same lesson, and Provo still a year later shows little to no improvement on defending/adjusting/countering off the jab. No one is saying make him the next "Sugar Ray Robinson", but to improve upon a fundamental skill set would suffice. Would that not be a sign the Roach, a trainer of the sweet science, didn't do his job? Glaring flaw, no improvement. 3 fights ago hardly matters if he's in the same ring with Lucas, and still had no "shot". That fight was a one sided paint job that HBO tried to sell different.

Roach has worked with allot of fighters who he in one way or another broke. Remember Jorge Linares? The knock on him is he had no power, still doesn't but he can box and move and pitch ever punch in the book. He's a joy to watch. Freddy taught him how to throw more punches and even make him more of an imbalanced fighter. He Left. Love him or hate him, Look at Amir Khan. He's fast, has a bad chin, pretty good stamina, Freddy Roach taught him to be more of an offensive fighter, neglecting technique for speed which he was caught for. He Left. Moving to up in weight to Latif Coyote. not a shinning prospect by no means but when i watch him fight Volley's up the middle... It's a rinse repeat style. He hasn't taught anyone HOW TO BOX. Teddy Atlas love him hate him has a good quote "Anyone can throw punches, but it's the good ones who can avoid them and still be in place to counter off a miss" He's teaching fundamentals of boxing. Look what he worked with, his best fighter was a chinny Michale Moore! As a trainer i would hate to have a guy who is a one touch, but look at what he made him. Now look at Provo, dude has a diamond chin, but cannot fight with a fighter who has a jab, a basic tool equated to a pawns move. Almost every fighter who has left roaches gym at one point or another has gone on with thier career to do something. I just think his gym, if your a young professional looking to make it in this brutal sport of boxing is a good place to learn. Provo's face with the amount of damage that has occurred will only get worse i figure dude has another, maybe 3 years left. I'd be looking at What Dan Birmingham teaches, I'd be looking at what Vergil Hunter teaches, I'd be looking at Danny Garcia. Freddy Roach's name was built off of Manny Pacquiao and he keeps trying to form every fighter into his image, when he should try to match what they do well with what they need to work on to round them out. Linares has power, no chin. What exactly have Linares and Khan done since they've left Roach? Linares is barely heard from despite his massive talent. Khan beat a hapless Alexander but has been B- level fighters since leaving Roach. Khan doesn't even want to fight Garcia again despite developing an "elite neck" under hunter. Provodnikov is what he is. No trainer is gonna make him a Pacquiao or a Floyd. 3 fights back, would anybody have thought that he had a shot at Lucas?

I don't agree that hes a **** trainer. He's just spread too thin. When guys take on too many fighters they start losing loads. Happened to Roach before and he didn't learn. It's happened to Garcia too. He needs to fully offload a lot of fighters to Marvin and Justin Fortune I think. But Roach deserves some abuse for his treatment/non-training of guys like Provo and Linares. Very true, but Roach still wins awards consistently, which masks his flaws as a coach. Roach is a grown man and has control over everything you mentioned. I just think to him it's less about the fighters and more about the money, and that choice is affecting his fighters and their ability to succeed. I do agree with your Garcia point.

he helped make khan into a unified world champion at 140. i think he made israel vazquez into a world champion. of course he helped make manny into a multiple weight world champion. also chavez jr won his first world title with roach and same with ruslan. Those are all non debatable of course, he has acolytes. Khan left Roach also so that point is somewhat mute point though. Isreal Vazquez is old unfortunately and i'm talking about lately. Many other trainers during "his" era have won their fighters championships. Manny is consistently his best pupil to date. Look how good Khan (love em or hate em) has gotten with Vergil hunter. Look how good Andre Ward is, look how much better Berto has gotten. Look at Keith Thurman and how dominant he is as a fighter with Dan Birmingham. Look at Nacho Beristein who very arguable beat Manny 3 of their 4 meetings. Look at Danny Garcia working with His brother Miguel Ángel García. Those guys are all champions. I think the light shines brightest on Roach because of Manny (who i feel made roach, I think manny with any trainer with his work ethic, would be successful). But the rest of his stable of fighters pass like ships in the night and tend to have glaring flaws. I look at in an aspect of; with which coach do you think you would get the best toolkit to be a pro boxer. To be versatile enough to make adjustments during a fight, the game of boxing in the ring when. Roach teaches one style with his fighters. Shiming Zou recently lost too same style. Roach also lost with Antonio Demarco which i think he arguable game the worst advice you can give a fighter during a pivotal moment of the fight. His methods are flawed, I'm not sure he deserves high praise when there are a variety of other coaches, who are just as good or better, who deserve praise also.

roach is a great trainer, none of his fighters seem to go down without a fight, if you can't stop them, if you win, it's usually a close decision

He needs to fully offload a lot of fighters to Marvin and Justin Fortune I think. But Roach deserves some abuse for his treatment/non-training of guys like Provo and Linares. When fighters go to Wild Card they want to work with Roach, not Marvin or Fortune. Kind of defeats the purpose.

I'm hard pressed to find any kind of acolytes besides, Pacquiao, that would earn him such high praise among his coaching peers. From a business perspective he's great doing fabulous with guys like Provodnikov who are groomed to be high level sparring partners. I feel bad for him because, boxing is not a tough mans sport, were taking flush shots for 12 rounds is a badge of honor. But for him actually teaching a boxer how to use the basic fundamentals of defense to offense, setting up varying shots... very lacking. He teaches every fighter that walks through his doors, to volley of punches up the middle. Freddy Roach is the walmart of boxing schools, sorely just above the worst trainer of all time Buddy McGirt. I don't agree that hes a **** trainer. He's just spread too thin. When guys take on too many fighters they start losing loads. Happened to Roach before and he didn't learn. It's happened to Garcia too. He needs to fully offload a lot of fighters to Marvin and Justin Fortune I think. But Roach deserves some abuse for his treatment/non-training of guys like Provo and Linares.

There's nobody better in the sport at finding the right names when they're on their way out for his guys. Haha true true.

There's nobody better in the sport at finding the right names when they're on their way out for his guys.

Of course it is lacking, he probably just has Ruslan standing in front of an NFL jugs machine throwing footballs at 90mph at him, to test his durability and chin since he knows he's going to get hit a lot. It was a Chirs Algeri gameplan, with power. Work off the jab, step to the right, rinse repeat.

I think for a fighter like Ruslan, who looks like he works his ass off in the gym, would be to go to match with a coach who wouldn't make him display what we already know he has, his great chin. I'm not Knocking Provo, But i am questioning his coaching methods to make him a high level fighter.

roach has always been overrated imo, he's never bred a fighter from the ground up like nacho berstein: lopez,zaragoza,marquez bros He's only taken one fighter that i know of and made him better and that's Manny Pacquiao.

Right....mayweather senior had Hatton looking so fantastic too, just improved his basics by light years .... Certain fighters are who they are and live and die off of that. Don't blame Roach for Ruslan's go to war style and attitude. He ain't changing and if he does it won't go well for him. And of course no one was criticizing him that much after the Bradley fight. Roach has worked with allot of fighters who he in one way or another broke. Remember Jorge Linares? The knock on him is he had no power, still doesn't but he can box and move and pitch ever punch in the book. He's a joy to watch. Freddy taught him how to throw more punches and even make him more of an imbalanced fighter. He Left. Love him or hate him, Look at Amir Khan. He's fast, has a bad chin, pretty good stamina, Freddy Roach taught him to be more of an offensive fighter, neglecting technique for speed which he was caught for. He Left. Moving to up in weight to Latif Coyote. not a shinning prospect by no means but when i watch him fight Volley's up the middle... It's a rinse repeat style. He hasn't taught anyone HOW TO BOX. Teddy Atlas love him hate him has a good quote "Anyone can throw punches, but it's the good ones who can avoid them and still be in place to counter off a miss" He's teaching fundamentals of boxing. Look what he worked with, his best fighter was a chinny Michale Moore! As a trainer i would hate to have a guy who is a one touch, but look at what he made him. Now look at Provo, dude has a diamond chin, but cannot fight with a fighter who has a jab, a basic tool equated to a pawns move. Almost every fighter who has left roaches gym at one point or another has gone on with thier career to do something. I just think his gym, if your a young professional looking to make it in this brutal sport of boxing is a good place to learn. Provo's face with the amount of damage that has occurred will only get worse i figure dude has another, maybe 3 years left. I'd be looking at What Dan Birmingham teaches, I'd be looking at what Vergil Hunter teaches, I'd be looking at Danny Garcia. Freddy Roach's name was built off of Manny Pacquiao and he keeps trying to form every fighter into his image, when he should try to match what they do well with what they need to work on to round them out.

Roach knew all along he Provo would lose, that's why he didnt even go to the fight. No class whatsoever from Roach. Stand by your fighter man!

roach has always been overrated imo, he's never bred a fighter from the ground up like nacho berstein: lopez,zaragoza,marquez bros