Hate to break it to you but Danny Garcia was just never that good. Ordinary.

Exactly. No one makes it this far being lucky. He's a good fighter, but limited and I think most understand this. Also, I scored the fight for him against Peterson for what it's worth. A limited fighter can achieve a great amount of success, depending on their limitations and how well they use them. Felix Trinidad was a limited fighter. However, his strength and power were enough for him to achieve a great amount of success and win belts in three weight classes against some quality champions. I am not saying Garcia is at the same level as Trinidad. However, he is good enough to defeat some of the top guys at 147 and win a championship even with his limitations.

At the point of the Ortiz fight, Ortiz had knocked down every single opponent he had faced, including in his lone loss to Maidana where he kd'ed him 3 times iirc. At the point of the Matthysse fight, Matthysse had either knocked down or ko'ed all but like 1 or 2 opponents out of 35. The Khan kd was a punch followed by a shove, which Khan did a lot of in that fight. The Bradley kd was fair, he was just not ready for Bradley at the time. That's 7 kd's in 32 fights, and the kds spanned 10 fights. No where near as bad as 8 knock downs in 2 straight fights. Yea but styles make fights. Of course Lamont would beat Algieri. But with how slow and ineffective Lamont was able to make Garcia, I think Algieri could pull it off considering that is what he does best.

He's a very limited fighter that has gotten the maximum out of the talent he has. He now has a clear loss to Herrera where he was thoroughly outboxed, and a closer, but clear enough, loss to Lamont Peterson, where he got knocked around like Adonis Stevenson's hoe His wins over Khan and Matthysse are very good wins, and his resume is better than the vast majority of Haymon fighters, but he's been found out. Any good boxer mover beats him (in actual terms, in a non-robbery vacuum lol). The past 12 months has been Garcia getting exposed. He truly is Danny "Gift" Garcia" How would he do vs Herrera and Peterson again? 2 more losses probably. Algeiri? Khan again? All 100% losses I think. Pac and Floyd wipe the floor with him. I don't consider the words of anyone whose screen name is Pac=Duran to be credible. However, I agree that Danny Garcia is no great talent. He has performed well in some fights, but mediocre in others. The Herrera and Peterson fights were extremely close and not examples of him being an ordinary talent. Both of those guys among the top 5 at 140 pounds and there was no way he was going to blow out either one of them. I had Garcia beating Peterson by two points and beating Herrera by one point, but both fights could have gone either way. He would never beat Mayweather or Pacquaio, but I think he would be even money against any other fighter in the 140-47 pound area because once you get past Mayweather and Pacquaio, all the top 140-47 pound fighters have about the same level of talent.

I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that Danny is limited. He's been scraping by through the skin of his teeth. No one is calling him a world beater. At least not from what I see. Exactly. No one makes it this far being lucky. He's a good fighter, but limited and I think most understand this. Also, I scored the fight for him against Peterson for what it's worth.

The problem with threads like these are that they are giving Peterson no credit for being a pretty good fighter. Lucas Matthysse is the only person who ever wrecked Peterson. No one besides him and Bradley have clearly beaten Peterson, and Bradley had his problems as well. Instead of making this about how average Garcia is, give Peterson his long overdue credit.

I still don't think he is ordinary now, his body of work is still very good, and he will have some big performances in the future, he will also have nights like against Peterson. He is a hard man to beat though regardless, and I liken him a little bit to Ricky Hatton, not in boxing style, but in the sense that when he stepped up to world level, there were some great performances, but more often than not it was hard going. Danny is similar in the sense that at world level his style is such that he will be in competitive and physical fights, he will rarely glide through very good fighters, but like Hatton he probably outperforms his ability. Both guys have a winning mentality and serious determination. That will get you far, how far? Well with Hatton it got him to the pinnacle of the sport before he faltered. Time will tell with Danny. I would think if he keeps stepping up the competition, his first loss isn't too far away, but I would get used to him, even after he loses he will be a factor in boxing for a long time. He is much more than a one trick pony and is still getting better, he is unpredictable with his punching and doesn't have a tell when he throws which is probably why he has a lot of success landing wide punches. I agree with the people that to reach a higher level he probably needs to change trainers, go with someone who will teach him to fight moving forward and lead off as well as counter. Roach and Robert Garcia are good trainers for him.

Peterson had been dropped by every top level opponent he had faced, and Danny couldn't even hurt him. Algieri would make him look silly. At the point of the Ortiz fight, Ortiz had knocked down every single opponent he had faced, including in his lone loss to Maidana where he kd'ed him 3 times iirc. At the point of the Matthysse fight, Matthysse had either knocked down or ko'ed all but like 1 or 2 opponents out of 35. The Khan kd was a punch followed by a shove, which Khan did a lot of in that fight. The Bradley kd was fair, he was just not ready for Bradley at the time. That's 7 kd's in 32 fights, and the kds spanned 10 fights. No where near as bad as 8 knock downs in 2 straight fights.

Only on NSB can a guy win a fight, outland his opponent who by the way, came in at 165lbs with some TRT courage/stamina, only on NSB can these facts be spun into a loss for the winner. Proof that when you have a burning NEED to see a fighter lose, you can make it happen in that mind. "But, so what about the compubox stats doe, and the first 6 rounds in which he ran, Peterson looked really cool when he did that bolo thing and it made me believe he was winning doe." War Garcia. Danny and Angel are not yet done giving you fits and getting the win in the process. Buckle up kids, it's only the beginning. :wave: peterson has always had great conditioning to his defense!

khan will always lose to garcia because he has poor head movement and a weak guard.

I agree here. It's like I haven't seen any growth from Danny each fight. I would like to see him get a better jab, and not fight flat footed so much. I think this will arise when he does get defeated, and the issues will be even more glaring. Throw a monster uppercut into that bag of new tricks too. Danny needs a new perspective. He can keep Angel to remind him to stay crispy, but it's time for an elite level trainer. Danny is a strong kid, defense is not all that bad...He certainly did not look anywhere near as bad as a few fighters who are praised on this forum only to be shutout for 12 rounds.

he needs a new trainer. angel seems to just be a motivational speaker, not really a tactics guy who can improve his sons technique I agree here. It's like I haven't seen any growth from Danny each fight. I would like to see him get a better jab, and not fight flat footed so much. I think this will arise when he does get defeated, and the issues will be even more glaring.

Only on NSB can a guy win a fight, outland his opponent who by the way, came in at 165lbs with some TRT courage/stamina, only on NSB can these facts be spun into a loss for the winner. Proof that when you have a burning NEED to see a fighter lose, you can make it happen in that mind. "But, so what about the compubox stats doe, and the first 6 rounds in which he ran, Peterson looked really cool when he did that bolo thing and it made me believe he was winning doe." War Garcia. Danny and Angel are not yet done giving you fits and getting the win in the process. Buckle up kids, it's only the beginning. :wave:

Lol your name is Isaac lol. :lol1::lol1:

So ordinary that he beat Khan,Matthysse,Judah,Herrrera,and Peterson damn I'm impressed! THIS!!!!!!!!!!! Yes he needs work but hes a tough fighter

he needs a new trainer. angel seems to just be a motivational speaker, not really a tactics guy who can improve his sons technique

Yeah outboxes him, right before getting knocked down 5 times and losing on the cards because of that. This guy has suffered like 8 knock downs in 2 fights in a row. For reference, Amir Khan is called chinny and he was knocked down 8 times through 28 fights. Algieri managed to get knocked down the same number of times Khan did in 26 less fights. I don't know what's his problem, but the guy has some balancing issues or something, and he is not that elusive if he's been floored almost 10 times in 2 fights. Peterson had been dropped by every top level opponent he had faced, and Danny couldn't even hurt him. Algieri would make him look silly.

So ordinary that he beat Khan,Matthysse,Judah,Herrrera,and Peterson damn I'm impressed! Khan: Good win, but lets remember that Garcia was getting tagged up a lot before it happened. Maybe he planned the left hook or maybe it was a hail mary lucky punch, but the fact remains that he couldn't defend himself before it landed, which shows his limitations as a fighter. Plus Khan has a terrible chin and is a mentally deficient fighter. In the context of Khan's chin and lack of a boxing brain this isn't a great win. ****ing Prescott beat Khan better and he didn't get tagged up to do so. The thing is Danny can't rely on power to knock out other top opponents because his power is largely a myth - he hasn't stopped anyone approaching world class apart from Khan. Matthysse: Good win, but Matthysse, like Garcia, is ridiculously limited and overrated. In addition, if the eye trouble didn't happen, who knows what might have happened. This isn't an excuse because it did happen, but it definitely helped Garcia look a lot better. Judah: Are you ****ing kidding me? Judah? The guy was way past it and still gave Garcia some troubles late. Judah was stopped in 5 by Khan 2 fights before for god sake and is a known bottler. Herrera: That was a loss. Absolute gift. Also how are you claiming this as some sort of great win. Herrera doesn't have any power - literally none - and despite his boxing ability he still got beat comprehensively by the likes of Alvarado ffs. Peterson: Another loss in the eyes of most objective boxing observers. Not as bad as the Herrera robbery but controversial nonetheless. In any case he got ran close and struggled with a guy who was stopped in 4 by Matthysse. Garcia was made to look silly a lot missing wildly and failing to cut the ring. Lets be real, Garcia struggled with Holt, even a Morales about 3 weight classes and 8 years past his prime had some success. Put Garcia in with anyone top - Pac, Mayweather, Bradley, Thurman, he might get stopped (although his chin is one of his true great attributes) and if not he loses 12-0.

I think Chris Algieri is better than Danny, outboxes and beats him too.... Yeah outboxes him, right before getting knocked down 5 times and losing on the cards because of that. This guy has suffered like 8 knock downs in 2 fights in a row. For reference, Amir Khan is called chinny and he was knocked down 8 times through 28 fights. Algieri managed to get knocked down the same number of times Khan did in 26 less fights. I don't know what's his problem, but the guy has some balancing issues or something, and he is not that elusive if he's been floored almost 10 times in 2 fights.

Imagine, he's not that good and KO'ed Khan and beat Matthysse. What does that say about them? What does that say about most pro boxers actually? What does that say about boxing? and Boxing fans? If Danny Garcia is ordinary, then so is our sport because this ordinary guy has beaten dudes you guys have hyped up to beat the best in the sport. Matthysse was supposed to KO Mayweather and Pacquiao before losing to Garcia. Khan is supposed to be stylistically tough for Mayweather, the #1 best fighter in the sport. DSG beat them both. So what does that say about boxing?

He has always been average. He just got a good break with Haymon and icing Khan.