name 5 fighters roach developed into champs early on before titles or top 10 ranking

Manny Steward and Nacho Beristein took many fighters from amateur to world champs I'm not so sure about Nacho but who would you list for Manny, remember from scratch to exceptional world beater. There's Hearns but then who? His most famous clients are Lewis and Wlad, possibly Moorer. A lot of the other guys he trained, he got at various stages in their careers or he may have had them from scratch but they were hardly P4P greats.

Roach is very good at revitalizing careers! @TS we can consider provo, pac, amir khan. He got them all from the dump and turned them to great and good fighters. Miguel, toney, oskie, chavez are the one that he just revitalized. Thats how good roach is. :boxing:

To me all roach does is fix their balance and teach them to turn over their punches..... its kind of disgusting how bad the average boxing trainers are.... balance and proper punching technique is important

Fighters are mostly born not made, the job of a trainer is to bring the best out of them and Roach does that.

Roach took Khan from a fresh KO loss as a prospect to unified champion at 140. Close enough.

To me all roach does is fix their balance and teach them to turn over their punches..... its kind of disgusting how bad the average boxing trainers are....

Unless the fighters come to you impossible to travel behind new fighters that have talent. Very few have developed 5 fighters that will get a title. Roach is like an advanced music teacher in that you have to already have to know how play a music instrument real good and he will tweak you to get you better. Most top trainers are like that. George Benton had a few prospects but don't know how many got titles. The Goosen brothers have had a good farming system too. Maybe the Duvas?

This thread ain't about Floyd sr....sr ain't getting dozens of accolades nor is it about natural talent I just asked a simple question.... Some folks are too emotionally invested on this site Why are you so emotionally invested in hating on Roach for fighters wanting to be trained by him

Trainers/coaches do things better than others just like fighters. Floyd is a defensive fighter and better than Manny, but Manny is every bit as good as an offensive fighter as Floyd is defensively. In coaching there are some coaches who have a specific system and need the right talent, other coaches are good at just coming up with a plan to fit their talent and some are great at just rebuilding and fixing a good foundation that's just starting to show some cracks and start breaking down. That's Roach, he's a great offensive trainer that if you know how to fight he can get you in shape physically and mentally and take you to another level. Developing and molding a fighter from scratch is just not something he's good at, nothing wrong with that.

People are so defensive. The answer is none. Move on. But obviously that doesn't mean he's not a good trainer. Sensitive ass dudes man. They act like I blatantly insulted the guy Not once did I trash roach I asked because I wasn't sure about when he started with some of my favorite fighters like Virgil hill, Jorge Linares, Izzy Vazquez etc.

If I knew the answer I wouldn't have asked I know he's trained a lot of great fighters....idk who he started with early on I like him he is a great trainer, I don't understand why people are upset because I asked.... Their have been way worse threads on this forum. Well I am glad the forum could help you improve your boxing knowledge.

You don't know the answer? If I knew the answer I wouldn't have asked I know he's trained a lot of great fighters....idk who he started with early on I like him he is a great trainer, I don't understand why people are upset because I asked.... Their have been way worse threads on this forum.

Fighters go to professor Roach when they want their masters in boxing. Phd professors don't teach elementary school

Mike stafford > roach the joke coach. Stafford has one and will prob have 2 more by next year

I dunno the history behind Prov or Beltran so much but he never took AMir from scratch to world title lol Now, back to the TS, how many great trainers can you name who took fighters from scratch? Most "great" trainers have been hired guns. Manny Steward and Nacho Beristein took many fighters from amateur to world champs

Roach is a great trainer and worthy of evey accolade he receives. He doesn't develop guys from scratch because he doesn't have to. The great ones seek him. And of those he receives, with few exceptions he improves them. Look at Cotto, Toney, Pac just to name a few. People use to make similar arguments about Phil Jackson the basketball coach. They argued he only won because he had Jordan, Shaq and Kobe. Easy to forget Kobe and Shaq played for years before Phil came. Same with Jordan.

People are so defensive. The answer is none. Move on. But obviously that doesn't mean he's not a good trainer. Sensitive ass dudes man.

Roach is an established trainer, he isn't on the lookout for the next up and coming prospect. Fighters like Khan and Cotto come to him to get better. Usually a trainer comes up with the fighter like Hunter/Ward for example and then other fighters come to them. Roach is long past that road. Fighters don't come to Floyd Sr. anymore because they saw how he did Hatton and they don't want none of that nonsense.

Roach has always said, that his great fighters make him the great trainer that he is, without them he wouldn't be. Many great fighters learn a lot from him and improve their game even if they have worked with him for a little while. If you don't have a great fighter you will never be a great trainer.

Great question. I can't name any fighter Roach has developed from scratch. Now, Nacho, and Emmanuel Stewart, yes no doubt they have a resume that supports great trainers. Someone mentioned what Freddie has done for Cotto. He beat an old and injured sergio. Come on people, you can't believe that. I think Freddie and Floyd sr., is overrated as trainers, but I lean more to Sr., since he taught Floyd the science of boxing. He understands defense, and position. Compare how cotto looked vs trout, to what he looks like in his few fights with Freddie.. People were writing off cotto for a long time, pretty much ever since the clottey and manny fights.. Cotto struggled to put away an ancient mayorga, one leg yuri, one eyed margarito,, losing to floyd and trout, people thought the guy was done, but roach resurrected cotto's attacking style and has him positioned to make career high paydays.. Nobody thought this was possible till cotto went with roach after the trout loss