mastertech1985's the ones we missed: first up is Manny Pacquaio vs Israel Vazquez

That was a rematch and it was a hell of a fight. One of the best FNF ever. Manny would have beaten both but Larios would have been the hardest fight fight for him at 122 at that time. Indeed....a fresher, faster, younger version....would've been closer than when they fought @ 130....larios is a bit underrated in my book

Vazquez got a shot at Larios and lost in 2002....even though he didn't have a belt he still was a top contender.... That was a rematch and it was a hell of a fight. One of the best FNF ever. Manny would have beaten both but Larios would have been the hardest fight fight for him at 122 at that time.

Manny and izzy would have been a great action fight, but manny at 122 was a monster and would stop izzy late

I would favor Pacquiao over almost anyone at Super Bantamweight including Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez. Don't get my wrong they were both very good fighters but Pacquiao is just on another level.

Here is a heavily edited video of them sparring. Pac would have been too fast for vasquez. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eowtIY4auDY

I'd have to say Pac would beat him. Overwhelm him with speed and power.

It doesn't change my opinion on who I think would win between Vazquez and Pacquiao. However the points you make about Rafa are very interesting. But I still think Pacquiao beats Rafa. izzy was a hearts and guts warrior who was at a height, reach, weight, speed, power disadvantage. he was also a bleeder. he'd have a slim chance. pressure fighters don't do well with punchers. this is a puncher with speed and size advantage who had even better stamina. not good. rafa if he keep his cool, could have done what jmm did. maybe if the chin holds up.

IIRC, Izzy used to spar with PAC...not sure if there are youtube vids but i think they used to work together im sure about videos but I do remember both being world champs at the wild card, and Izzy was trained by Freddie Roach and Rudy Perez

Ayala was fun to watch but I hated they screwed mi vida loca.....I liked Ayala but he Tapia deserved at least one of those fights. It seemed like more times than not Ayala always got the upperhand on the cards in a close fight Manny's Last fight at 122 was july 2003 Vazquez got a shot at Larios and lost in 2002....even though he didn't have a belt he still was a top contender....before Manny moved up he also beat Jorge Julio was a former titleholder and another lower level opponent Larios was the WBC title holder before Manny moved up. they fought at 130 but I think if they fought in 122 he would have fought a primed Larios. He did go one to win the wbc feathweight title you gotta remember pac was a nobody pre-2001 ledwaba fight. ledwaba to barrera was only 5 fights. 1 was agapito unification, 1 was julio (TYSON-LEWIS undercard) the other 2 was tuneup in philippines for filipinos. maybe if he lost to barrera we could have seen those fights.

opposite. izzy was too small. pac had like 4 inches and 10-15 lbs on him. pac at 122 was like 140+ lbs fight night. izzy can hang with pac sparring but whole different ballgame with CLITORIS gloves and no headgear. rafa would have had a better chance imo. rafa was very skilled, if he didn't try to slug. i always thought rafa was better than jmm. Their was a time when Rafael was the more accomplished of the brothers, Marquez.....when he was defending his IBF title at 118, I thought he'd become a hall of famer. He had 8 title defenses, beat HOFer Marc Too Sharp Johnston, and one of the most overlooked good little Tim Austin.....He was clinical against Silence Mabuza. Great technique and combinations. Above 118 Rafa was quite the physical beat nor quite as sturdy.

opposite. izzy was too small. pac had like 4 inches and 10-15 lbs on him. pac at 122 was like 140+ lbs fight night. izzy can hang with pac sparring but whole different ballgame with CLITORIS gloves and no headgear. rafa would have had a better chance imo. rafa was very skilled, if he didn't try to slug. i always thought rafa was better than jmm. It doesn't change my opinion on who I think would win between Vazquez and Pacquiao. However the points you make about Rafa are very interesting. But I still think Pacquiao beats Rafa.

i think manny would have been too much for paulie. larios and vasquez too probably beats paulie. thing is paulie barely stayed at 122. he went for the big money fights at 126. larios gave pac a good fight at 130 later and israel use to hang with pac sparring at wildcard. but pac, like ayala, was drawn up in weight for the barrera, morales fights. by the time izzy, larios got their belts pac was already about to fight/already fought barrera at 126. Ayala was fun to watch but I hated they screwed mi vida loca.....I liked Ayala but he Tapia deserved at least one of those fights. It seemed like more times than not Ayala always got the upperhand on the cards in a close fight Manny's Last fight at 122 was july 2003 Vazquez got a shot at Larios and lost in 2002....even though he didn't have a belt he still was a top contender....before Manny moved up he also beat Jorge Julio was a former titleholder and another lower level opponent Larios was the WBC title holder before Manny moved up. they fought at 130 but I think if they fought in 122 he would have fought a primed Larios. He did go one to win the wbc feathweight title

I think Vazquez would have beaten Pacquiao. However Vazquez Great Rival Rafael Marquez would have been beaten by Pacquiao. opposite. izzy was too small. pac had like 4 inches and 10-15 lbs on him. pac at 122 was like 140+ lbs fight night. izzy can hang with pac sparring but whole different ballgame with CLITORIS gloves and no headgear. rafa would have had a better chance imo. rafa was very skilled, if he didn't try to slug. i always thought rafa was better than jmm.

i think manny would have been too much for paulie. larios and vasquez too probably beats paulie. thing is paulie barely stayed at 122. he went for the big money fights at 126. larios gave pac a good fight at 130 later and israel use to hang with pac sparring at wildcard. but pac, like ayala, was drawn up in weight for the barrera, morales fights. by the time izzy, larios got their belts pac was already about to fight/already fought barrera at 126.

I think Vazquez would have beaten Pacquiao. However Vazquez Great Rival Rafael Marquez would have been beaten by Pacquiao. Yea...Rafael was the better puncher, better technique, a lil more naturally talented, but Vazquez had a heart that pumped Gasoline and determination. I think IZZY had a better chance than Rafael because of his grit, size, and physical strength

I think Vazquez would have beaten Pacquiao. However Vazquez Great Rival Rafael Marquez would have been beaten by Pacquiao.