What will happen to the boxing world IF Manny is able to completely dominate and wipe out Floyd Mayweather ala Cotto, Margariot, Delahoya style.
Remember Juan Manuel Marquez counters with combinations and uses full power/bad intentions when countering which Floyd never does. Also Marquez was seriously seriously hurt before the KO where Manny got abit excited. How can Floyd beat Manny if he uses the hit and move Margarito/Delahoya gameplan??:boxing:
My original post went way over your head. My point is, that Manny impressed me with every win of his comeback since the Roidquez fight. Everyone of those fights required extreme focus and skill. In the Rios fight, he showed you he was still hungry, still fast as hell, still had the legs and stamina. His ring IQ also improved. It is not an easy task to still be fighting at this level when you're already a LEGEND. At age 36 and facing different styles in the process. That is a challenge within itself. Has Floyd ever fought a style like Bradley? Algeri? Get my point? It's not about their level, per say. It's about their respective styles. Floyd would never fight either one of them.
It didn't go over my head, I'm just not as easily impressed as you, I guess. The very fact that you resort to petty "roidquez" remarks because Pacquiao got laid out like a cheap rug shows me that you're bitter and can't give great fighters credit when they achieve something- if it's against your favourite fighter. Marquez has passed every test Pacquiao has and is innocent until proven otherwise- like Pacquiao.
Second, it's easy to face "different styles" when the exponent of that style is just nowhere on the same level as you. If Mayweather was picking around the 140lbs division for different styles, I'd say he'd be (rightly) castigated for it. I'd be at the front of the queue. Has Mayweather ever fought a style like Bradley? Well what style is Bradley? He's done the hard pressing, aggressive style against Witter and Alexander. He's done some box and move, like against Pac and Marquez and he's tried to go toe-to-toe (and got concussed for his trouble) against Provodnikov. Mayweather's faced fighters that have tried to box with him (Judah/Canelo), tried to press him (Maidana/Guerrero) and tried to "outshoot him" (Mosley). Bradley is a really good fighter, but whatever he brings, Mayweather's seen before.
Chris Algeri really is a non-entity for all the reasons I've previously mentioned. I wonder how impressive Pacquiao would've been had he faced ALL opponents from the 147lbs and 154lbs division? We know he wouldn't face Cotto at 154lbs, would go nowhere near Canelo and wouldn't treat Maidana with the same contempt as Chris Algeri (although I think Pacqiuiao would do a number on him). Styles make fights, but levels of opponents can, and often do, dictate performance.
All I can say is that the fact Floyd cries about headbutts, bitten in the hand (through the gloves), and lips being cut during the fight, how do you think Floyd would handle it if Pac peppers his face with punches???
If it is really bad where Floyds timing doesnt look sharp and keeps getting beat to the punch people will claim Floyd was shot and all the signs were there versus maidana.
Absolutely true.
Way over your head.......
My original post went way over your head. My point is, that Manny impressed me with every win of his comeback since the Roidquez fight. Everyone of those fights required extreme focus and skill. In the Rios fight, he showed you he was still hungry, still fast as hell, still had the legs and stamina. His ring IQ also improved. It is not an easy task to still be fighting at this level when you're already a LEGEND. At age 36 and facing different styles in the process. That is a challenge within itself. Has Floyd ever fought a style like Bradley? Algeri? Get my point? It's not about their level, per say. It's about their respective styles. Floyd would never fight either one of them.
See. You are one of those fanboys who one cannot logic with. I understand. Enjoy the upset come May 2nd. Chris Algeri has a lot of potential. Anyone with eyes can see that. He's a C Level fighter who is hard to fight right now. Imagine if he gets the right trainer. He is going to be a serious problem. I bet you Floyd wouldn't even fight him right now if he had a belt! Let alone Tim Bradley who has been calling Floyd out. Smh. The faith you guys have is unrealistic and isn't backed with a brain or logic. You are set in your ways to believe what you want. GOOD. Stay that way man.
Chris may have potential, but seriously. Where the heck did Chris come from?
And what made him eligible to fight Manny form among all the other top fighters with more experience above him that Manny could've faced?
Who did he fight before Manny?
Getting knocked down 3 times in that fight proved he was way in over his head and should've prepared against other opponents before facing Manny.
See. You are one of those fanboys who one cannot logic with. I understand. Enjoy the upset come May 2nd. Chris Algeri has a lot of potential. Anyone with eyes can see that. He's a C Level fighter who is hard to fight right now. Imagine if he gets the right trainer. He is going to be a serious problem. I bet you Floyd wouldn't even fight him right now if he had a belt! Let alone Tim Bradley who has been calling Floyd out. Smh. The faith you guys have is unrealistic and isn't backed with a brain or logic. You are set in your ways to believe what you want. GOOD. Stay that way man.
Wow, calling names already. Yet you haven't refuted on single point I made or fact given to you. Chris Algeri may have potential, but what he doesn't have is power to discourage an opponent or experience at the highest level. Your "fanboy" ranting is being fired in the wrong direction and is a poor excuse to cover up for the fact that everything I said is true and you can't debate effectively. You're speculating on what Algeri could achieve because he's achieved so very little compared to the fighter he's being made out to be "good preparation" for. You're speculating on the fight result (as all any of us can do) and acting the child with someone who doesn't agree with you.
You don't know what I believe, but assume because I think beating Chris Algeri is totally irrelevant to a result against Mayweather, I'm a "fanboy". If anyone is set in their ways, it's you. You believe Manny Pacquiao will win and that's fine with me. But I'd listen to your reasoning and tell you what I agree with and disagree with, and more importantly why. Try doing the same.
If it is really bad where Floyds timing doesnt look sharp and keeps getting beat to the punch people will claim Floyd was shot and all the signs were there versus maidana.
I would be one of those doing this! What makes this fight intriguing, oh irony sweet irony, is that Floyd has definiely lost a step....The floyd of a few years back doesn't get touched by Madianna, and not by Pac either.
Then he annihilates him!
Thank you to both guys but im a believer the next era has begun and im all aboard.
Very excited about fight though
IMO Floyd takes it
Please! Chris Algeri possessed no punching power whatsoever, meaning anyone fighting him can work with minimal risk of getting hurt, no matter how they advance on him. Second, Algeri had zero experience of fighting at Manny's level. None, nada, zilch! Third, it was his first time at a higher weight class.
Mayweather is comfortable at the weight and has ventured above 147lbs. His experience at championship level to Algeri's is like a tepee to the Empire State Building in terms of magnitude. Also Mayweather hits deceptively hard. Nowhere near concussive but hard enough to give an opponent pause and make them think before attacking. Also, Algeri may have had physical dimension on Pacquiao, and movement, but zero ability to control range and couldn't counter a kiss if it was blown in his direction. The comparison is ridiculous and I understand that it makes some diehards feel warm and fuzzy inside but it makes no sense and is pretty embarrassing.
See. You are one of those fanboys who one cannot logic with. I understand. Enjoy the upset come May 2nd. Chris Algeri has a lot of potential. Anyone with eyes can see that. He's a C Level fighter who is hard to fight right now. Imagine if he gets the right trainer. He is going to be a serious problem. I bet you Floyd wouldn't even fight him right now if he had a belt! Let alone Tim Bradley who has been calling Floyd out. Smh. The faith you guys have is unrealistic and isn't backed with a brain or logic. You are set in your ways to believe what you want. GOOD. Stay that way man.
Dig deeper my friend. Dig deeper into what he is really saying. CA is a C Level fighter, with A Level stamina and excellent footwork/movement. He was taller than Floyd and his reach was longer than Floyd's. He has fast hands, also. The average boxing fan watch that fight and wasn't impressed. Well, I am a boxing fanatic and I was very impressed with Manny's ability to take away yet another tall opponents reach and what he does well. He took away CA's jab and combination punching. He was very smart in that fight. It's a challenge to fight a moving target, regardless of their level. CA is a trainer away from being a BEAST. Floyd would be in danger of being outpointed against him BUT I think he wins a very tough fight, stylistically. And Bradley has a granite chin, incredible will, he's slick defensively at times, he has legs, and a lot of stamina. He was like the number four P4P fighter in boxing when Manny won the rematch. To outbox and beat both of these fighters takes a high level of skill and "hunger". Manny is highly skilled and very hungry. Not to mention he's 36trs old and outclassing these prime fighters, STILL. Like I said, it takes a fanatic to see beneath the surface to realize just how special Manny truly is. Floyd's a great fighter but there are still questions to be answered about him as a fighter. He hasn't challenged himself in the same way that Manny has over the years. He fights the same type of opponents. This is yet another reason why Manny wins on May 2nd. He's the more versatile fighter.
Please! Chris Algeri possessed no punching power whatsoever, meaning anyone fighting him can work with minimal risk of getting hurt, no matter how they advance on him. Second, Algeri had zero experience of fighting at Manny's level. None, nada, zilch! Third, it was his first time at a higher weight class.
Mayweather is comfortable at the weight and has ventured above 147lbs. His experience at championship level to Algeri's is like a tepee to the Empire State Building in terms of magnitude. Also Mayweather hits deceptively hard. Nowhere near concussive but hard enough to give an opponent pause and make them think before attacking. Also, Algeri may have had physical dimension on Pacquiao, and movement, but zero ability to control range and couldn't counter a kiss if it was blown in his direction. The comparison is ridiculous and I understand that it makes some diehards feel warm and fuzzy inside but it makes no sense and is pretty embarrassing.
It won't happen, Mayweather will not lose to Pacquiao, Flloyd said Pac is a has been who career is over, Floyd is no dummy he knows Pac will be his easiest fight. How can Floyd lose to a washed up has been?
White washing a fence and painting the Ceiling of Sistine Chapel are in essence both painting jobs~ but the experience of the first one has no bearing on the ability to complete task 2.
Good analogy, but pretty wasted on these boards, I fear.
You really think Bradley and Algieri are the perfect preparation for Mayweather. I don't. He's ions better than those two.
Dig deeper my friend. Dig deeper into what he is really saying. CA is a C Level fighter, with A Level stamina and excellent footwork/movement. He was taller than Floyd and his reach was longer than Floyd's. He has fast hands, also. The average boxing fan watch that fight and wasn't impressed. Well, I am a boxing fanatic and I was very impressed with Manny's ability to take away yet another tall opponents reach and what he does well. He took away CA's jab and combination punching. He was very smart in that fight. It's a challenge to fight a moving target, regardless of their level. CA is a trainer away from being a BEAST. Floyd would be in danger of being outpointed against him BUT I think he wins a very tough fight, stylistically. And Bradley has a granite chin, incredible will, he's slick defensively at times, he has legs, and a lot of stamina. He was like the number four P4P fighter in boxing when Manny won the rematch. To outbox and beat both of these fighters takes a high level of skill and "hunger". Manny is highly skilled and very hungry. Not to mention he's 36trs old and outclassing these prime fighters, STILL. Like I said, it takes a fanatic to see beneath the surface to realize just how special Manny truly is. Floyd's a great fighter but there are still questions to be answered about him as a fighter. He hasn't challenged himself in the same way that Manny has over the years. He fights the same type of opponents. This is yet another reason why Manny wins on May 2nd. He's the more versatile fighter.
One poster in this thread already said it.
Pacquiao has had far more practice/preparation for Floyd then Floyd has had for Pacquaio. Bradley/Algiri are not Floyd but they're much closer to it then Maidana/Guerrero/even Cotto.
Pacquiao used to spar with guys like Amir Khan all the time, going at it speed for speed, power for power. His reflexes/instincts are trained and prepared for the speed and movement for Floyd. I can't say the same for Floyd.
Sure, he may well "adjust" after a few rounds, and pick Manny apart but i seriously doubt it. The two Maidana fights have exposed him, whether it's aging or whatever. Floyd made a mistake in waiting for Manny to age and slowdown. Whatever Pacquiao lost in speed (only slightly) he gained in experience and boxing ability. Meanwhile Floyd is the same ol' Floyd, minus a bit slower in footwork and sharpness. Neither guy will get full credit for beating the other, but a WIN IS A WIN, and a loss is a loss, especially if its Floyd at the receiving end of a loss.
White washing a fence and painting the Ceiling of Sistine Chapel are in essence both painting jobs~ but the experience of the first one has no bearing on the ability to complete task 2.