USADA vs. VADA : Anti-Doping Duel

When you mention drug testing in sports there are two agencies that most people are familiar with - USADA and VADA. Let's study the track record of each respective agency to determine which of the two has the higher success rate and better credentials. USADA Lied about testing Broner and DeMarco for their upcoming fights. They released a statement claiming that both Broner and Demarco have successfully past all of the test, DeMarco revealed afterwards that he was never tested. (Source) Erik Morales tested positive TWICE before his fight with Danny Garcia, USADA kept the results hidden for months allowing Morales to fight, both USADA, GBP, NYSAC, and Showtime were aware of the situation, not a single **** was given. (Source) Tested Peter Quillin for his fight with Winky Wright, destroyed all drug testing samples before results could be taken. (Source) VADA Richard Schaefer threatened to file a lawsuit against them when they made Lamont Peterson's failed test results public without letting him know about it first. (Source) Robert Garcia was pissed off at how they handled Rios's test sample, hinting that there may have been some ****ery involved, all that was dismissed when Rios admitted to taking a supplement known as Jack3d, which apparently contains a banned substance in the ingredients. (Source) They found traces of PEDs in Andre Berto's system and wasted no time in making the results public, causing the event to be canceled, no fighter was allowed to fight with the benefits of using PEDs. (Source) Lamont Peterson, Brandon Rios, and Andre Berto have all failed VADA testing. USADA has caught Erik Morales and even if more athletes have tested positive chances are we wouldn't know about it due to their non-disclosure contracts. They have contracts that allow test results to be forwarded directly to the client instead of the state athletic commission; this is a recipe for deception. Considering all of the above, it would be logical to assume that VADA is ethically superior to USADA, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion...

Comments (20)

I'm leaning towards floyd but if manny fight smart and set up his combos i can see him out point floyd so if floyd lose will you act like the guy on my avatar?? No I'll just shrug my shoulders and then start watching past fights to see how in the hell would he f up in the biggest fight ever.

11y ago

radioraheem

Too many late tests there. Not one time did they do it timely and catch a cheat. That goes under effectiveness and professionalism Under both cases the timing was limited because of the lack of haste with the Promoters involved. If Promoter agreements and contracts are not signed and delivered in a timely manner, there is little anyone can do. Everything is supposed to done before training camp, not midway through training camp. Case in-point, with the Kovalev and Pascal matter, if both of them agreed to use VADA, there would have only been a few weeks of testing. And that is a big problem.

11y ago

HeroBando

What does mean more professional. VADA is barely existing. They have a code which the collectors don't even follow and their financial funding is unclear. USADA doesn't mismanage their timelines. It comes down to money. You want that result faster, pay the extra fee. You want results faster, that's like 30$ at the UCLA lab. Apparently they do. The one and only time they caught a cheat, the commission was told B sample would be too late, fight allowed to proceed. Then multiple cases of no testing or aborted testing since time windows too short, despite being in the fight contract.

11y ago

HeroBando

Well, that's wrong. Look up what happend to the MMA fighters Wanderlei Silva and Chael Sonnen. Both tested randomly (by the NSAC) when their fight was announced. Silva banned for life after he ran from the test, Sonnen banned for two years. Youre not following the convo

11y ago

dirty_fingers

Brotha Raheem is chief PED testing expert at TMT. Homeboy is definitely on that TMT payroll.

11y ago

gee73

Too many late tests there. Not one time did they do it timely and catch a cheat. That goes under effectiveness and professionalism Well, that's wrong. Look up what happend to the MMA fighters Wanderlei Silva and Chael Sonnen. Both tested randomly (by the NSAC) when their fight was announced. Silva banned for life after he ran from the test, Sonnen banned for two years.

11y ago

gee73

Looks like these guys are more professional than Usada, so no such slipups. Usada seems to mismanage their timelines a lot, so much so they sometimes don't have time to test, despite fight contract What does mean more professional. VADA is barely existing. They have a code which the collectors don't even follow and their financial funding is unclear. USADA doesn't mismanage their timelines. It comes down to money. You want that result faster, pay the extra fee. You want results faster, that's like 30$ at the UCLA lab.

11y ago

HeroBando

Yes, but that's a big problem. What happens if a positive result doesn't get sent til post fight? After that, the damage is done. Like for instance, there have been times when NSAC got a positive test from a pre-fight or post fight test. But had they randomly tested the fighter many weeks in-advance, they would've most likely found out the fighter was sky high juiced and saved his opponent from damage. But when you test late, you risk receiving bad results late after the fact. Too many late tests there. Not one time did they do it timely and catch a cheat. That goes under effectiveness and professionalism

11y ago

Hype_job

Brotha Raheem is chief PED testing expert at TMT.

11y ago

radioraheem

Id say canned at the last minute is best case, if cheater involved. Yes, but that's a big problem. What happens if a positive result doesn't get sent til post fight? After that, the damage is done. Like for instance, there have been times when NSAC got a positive test from a pre-fight or post fight test. But had they randomly tested the fighter many weeks in-advance, they would've most likely found out the fighter was sky high juiced and saved his opponent from damage. But when you test late, you risk receiving bad results late after the fact.

11y ago

HeroBando

Because you can easily run into a Peterson/Morales situation again, where the A-sample failed, but the B-sample takes a long time to return. And then either the fight happens anyway or gets canned at the very last minute. Id say canned at the last minute is best case, if cheater involved.

11y ago

radioraheem

Ok but they already collected some samples. Why not test those under the short window? Some better than none, right? Because you can easily run into a Peterson/Morales situation again, where the A-sample failed, but the B-sample takes a long time to return. And then either the fight happens anyway or gets canned at the very last minute.

11y ago

meme_man

They both do the same thing:lame: right all I see predetermined excuses if their guy lose hella:lame:

11y ago

HeroBando

Allegedly they destroyed samples. But I highly doubt it. They did in fact stop testing though. And in that case too, the timeline before the fight was pretty limited. It wasn't two months away. Lots of time was wasted, mostly due to Golden Boy trying to resist testing. Ok but they already collected some samples. Why not test those under the short window? Some better than none, right?

11y ago

radioraheem

Ok will do. With Quillin Wright, they aborted testung and destroyed samples cause there wasnt enough time to educate the fighters lol. So again that problem with managing schedules. Allegedly they destroyed samples. But I highly doubt it. They did in fact stop testing though. And in that case too, the timeline before the fight was pretty limited. It wasn't two months away. Lots of time was wasted, mostly due to Golden Boy trying to resist testing.

11y ago

HeroBando

Heredia's fighters haven't tested under USADA or VADA. Ok, one of his guys is testing under a Canadian agenxy and refuses Vada.

11y ago

HeroBando

More professional? VADA barely has an office and none of their samples are taken through internal staff. Sometimes USADA doesn't have the time to test? They refused to test because a fight was less than three weeks away. Which they felt wasn't sufficient time. Try again. Ok will do. With Quillin Wright, they aborted testung and destroyed samples cause there wasnt enough time to educate the fighters lol. So again that problem with managing schedules.

11y ago

radioraheem

Too bad they dont mind busting his clients, see Berto. Theyre also the agency unrepentant ped peddler Heredia refuses to let his clients test under Heredia's fighters haven't tested under USADA or VADA.

11y ago

HeroBando

I wouldn't trust the one that a convicted ped supplier recommends and uses for his own clients. Too bad they dont mind busting his clients, see Berto. Theyre also the agency unrepentant ped peddler Heredia refuses to let his clients test under

11y ago

radioraheem

Looks like these guys are more professional than Usada, so no such slipups. Usada seems to mismanage their timelines a lot, so much so they sometimes don't have time to test, despite fight contract More professional? VADA barely has an office and none of their samples are taken through internal staff. Sometimes USADA doesn't have the time to test? They refused to test because a fight was less than three weeks away. Which they felt wasn't sufficient time. Try again.

11y ago