Kathy Duva questions the Haymon Boxing Model (good read)

Its already funded through 2 years. The airtime has been paid for by haymons investors... We'll find out if the quality of fights will improve because the salaries aren't paid for yet.....

Its already funded through 2 years. Interesting...but even if the money is in place that doesn't necessarily mean that someone keeps throwing good money after bad and can't pull the plug. I could be wrong but I don't see how they are going to get a return from the investment.

What is Kathy talking about? This is like someone with a scottrade account being skeptical and taking shots at warren buffets idea because they don't understand it.......

It won't last 6 months. He's just throwing money into a big hole. Its already funded through 2 years.

This reminds me of the early 80s in pro wrestling when vince McMahon came along and destroyed the territory system.. All the old promoters were set in their ways and vince blew past them... Sometimes I think Haymon is the vince McMahon of boxing and he is gonna revolutionize and destroy the old school promoters n sanctioning bodies..

Good article, thanks for sharing..

It won't last 6 months. He's just throwing money into a big hole.

Like I said, boxing isn't a big enough sport to do what Hymen is trying to do and it will not work....unfortunately. I'm just a h8r doe.

What Haymon is doing is FANTASTIC for the boxer. His guys make phenomenal money. Maximizing whatever talent they have. It's the fans that are getting the stick. You wait a long time to get real pick-em fights. How long will that formula work? We'll find out!

Smart move by Haymon, over pay these fighters till he "manages" all the talent in the sport in the long run thus monopolising his position, then fking them over using the UFC payment model. He wins over time adjusting for inflation of course. These fighters are young and don't probably realise that Al's model probably converges to them being in their late 30s and fighting for 100k purses, and not millions like mayweather and pacquiao now.

Answer the question. So you're saying we haven't had quality fights? no I'm not. you already know that.

WTF? we get it, you want it to fail. Just wish you'd share your reasons why. Answer the question. So you're saying we haven't had quality fights?

So we haven't had any quality fights is what you're saying. And the solution to that is to put on even worse fights. WTF? we get it, you want it to fail. Just wish you'd share your reasons why.

You couldn't be more wrong. Quality fights do not happen because the networks pay for and put on bad fights. They do this because in the PPV era they've found that superstars and not quality fights are what sell ppv's. No promoter/manager/fighter forces any network to put them on. So, for example, they will bankroll GGG fights against bum after bum because they get good ratings for little money, and wait until he can make a ppv fight rather than force him and ward or Canelo to fight because of the risks involved in losing. They want 2 attractions who keep winning and tease a fight to keep you interested. It seems that you don't want more boxing programming available solely because Haymon is doing it/the one who is making it happen. why is that? So we haven't had any quality fights is what you're saying. And the solution to that is to put on even worse fights.

No sponsors came because she had nothing to offer. No fighters, no consistency, no prime time slots. Nothing. This PBC deal is essentially the opposite of what she had and was willing to offer. She had no money to waste and invest. Right now shes just bitter. She had some good things to say but overall its easy to see what her motive is. She had boxers like Juan Diaz, Rocky Juarez, Panchito Bojado and Kermit Cintron with Budweiser as the main sponsor on the NBC shows she did a decade ago.

The format was not designed by Haymon. It's the format they use on national tv. So don't act as if this is started by Haymon. It's been used in the past. Remember, everything on prime time is scripted down to the last second. They have to. Time is money. So don't expect long introductions where fighter is accompanied with his entourage and all those time-consuming scenes. What Duva lacked was enough recognizable fighters in her stable. Haymon capitalized on what HBO already built up: Broner, Thurman, Guerrero, Garcia, etc. Such names helped kickstart the series.

What happened was no sponsors came calling, and she was paid by the network to put on the shows. Haymon bought time slots like infomercials, and it is yet to be determined if enough sponsors would be interested to turn this into a success. He is going against the grain with a different format, so we'll have to wait and see if any sponsors are even interested after those changes. No sponsors came because she had nothing to offer. No fighters, no consistency, no prime time slots. Nothing. This PBC deal is essentially the opposite of what she had and was willing to offer. She had no money to waste and invest. Right now shes just bitter. She had some good things to say but overall its easy to see what her motive is.

I can only recall one commercial and that's the Carl Jrs. All else seemed like HD 70' and 80' low balling companies. Yeah his making a killing selling them time slots. Sports audience, specially boxing don't give a dam about commercials. It's not like watching the Super Bowl!

Like someone else said. Duva is about7t ten steps behind Haymon. I mean she had an NBC deal and look what happened. What happened was no sponsors came calling, and she was paid by the network to put on the shows. Haymon bought time slots like infomercials, and it is yet to be determined if enough sponsors would be interested to turn this into a success. He is going against the grain with a different format, so we'll have to wait and see if any sponsors are even interested after those changes.

Like someone else said. Duva is about7t ten steps behind Haymon. I mean she had an NBC deal and look what happened.