Why are people suddenly defending Sanctioning Bodies?

You guys are just going to have to accept the fact that a monolpy is coming, and things are changing. Changing in big ****ing way, and ive noticed on this forum people ****ing hate change no matter if its good or not. They ****ing hate it, they would rather cum to Rios vs Alvorado brought you by scumbag Arum on HBO then see the sport grow with Haymon on NBC. But change is coming I assure you. PBC has too many fighters now and the rest of boxing is to scattered, disorganized, and unwilling to work together to make a comeback against it. In time, PBC getting 4 -5 million viewers on NBC vs 1m people watching the other half. PBC is going to leave everyone i the dust as far as stardom and popularity. The time will come where if you are not with PBC, you are not considered a top fighter in the sport. The same way people from Bellator os something are not in the same league as UFC fighters. Its happening. Deal with it. And me personally. I welcome change. Anything then what boxing has become the last 3 decades. There have been several fights a year, for the last several decades, that I've enjoyed. You act as though the horrible politics of boxing has left the sport without a single good or great fight. If you truly don't care about any belt as you claim, then what is it that made fights suck so bad in your eyes over the last three decades. Beyond that, name me one single fight that Haymon has produced that was better than Corrales vs. Castillo I. As for this coveted new audience that you think will build the sport up, don't count on it. My girlfriend came home from work today and told me that people were talking about the fights around the water cooler. All of their general opinions were that the fights weren't that good and that even they as casual fans could tell who was going to win. Haymon puts on fights where only the most naive troll on the planet would pick the underdog. But I'm sure you're stoked for Porter vs. Garcia. Go Predictable Boxing Contests!

I think it would be better if boxing had a league pretty much anyone can get a boxing licence and call themselves a pro fighter fighting local guys and if they are lucky get the chance for a high payday in some showcase mismatch against a real world class talent. Right now boxing does work the way real sports work where the athletes have to be proven to fight at a certain level. This is where the sanctioning bodies need to step they're game up. I disagree about the league whole heartedly, and the sanctioning bodies do just as good as a job, if not better(probably better), than haymond's matchmaking for titles anyways. A league would just segregate talent, not improve matchmaking.

We could end up with a Saturday night wars similar to the Monday night wars wrestling had since right now boxing is the equivalent to what wrestling was in the territory days with all of these small fragmented promotions and Haymon is trying to shut them down and making a big play. If someone comes along to challenge him we could have alot of competitive fights with organizations competing for viewership and ratings on Saturday nights but would miss out on alot of fights until eventually someone wins and has the only real viable league like WWE has now in that biz. except boxing doesn't need a league... That what makes boxing so great, and what makes the dreams of becoming Champ even greater. Boxers are mercenaries, not to be pimped on blocks(see: leagues). A league just segregates world talent

The weights are archaic though. It's easy to say you can't make 147 go up to 154. I'm wondering why WW is the same 147lb limit it was in 1915. I think Olympic ww is max now is like 152 and has changed a few times since the early 1900's. I think it makes things more competitive and it reflects the changes in average size. I think the point Webbler is trying to make, is that they are just names. There are weight classes from sub 100 to 200+; Pick your comfortable fighting class and your set. And I understand you being optimistic about the belt situation, but all the signs are unfortunately pointing in the other direction atm. Security yanked Thurman's title down after he put his life on the line for 12rounds and won in good fashion; Essentially making the entire show. Then we find that he and presumably other 'haymond' fighters are not even identifying with being sanction title holders on their social/promoting networks :wtf1:

I don't really get it though, if you can't make a certain weight class don't you just move up to the next one? The weights are archaic though. It's easy to say you can't make 147 go up to 154. I'm wondering why WW is the same 147lb limit it was in 1915. I think Olympic ww is max now is like 152 and has changed a few times since the early 1900's. I think it makes things more competitive and it reflects the changes in average size.

I think new weights might be a good thing and may be here after the sanctioning bodies unify the belts. It makes sense given the average size of humans has increased significantly since these weight classes were established. Wrestling changed weights a few years ago. Yes. They said PBC would not be emphasizing belts. Maybe that is a tweak they make once they get the feedback from the 1st show. I would be happy if they went with the rankings from the transitional boxing board to make fights. I don't really get it though, if you can't make a certain weight class don't you just move up to the next one?

Man new weight divisions as well as new belts? lol It will be interesting to see how much is made of the WBO belt during the Quillin-Lee bout. I think new weights might be a good thing and may be here after the sanctioning bodies unify the belts. It makes sense given the average size of humans has increased significantly since these weight classes were established. Wrestling changed weights a few years ago. Yes. They said PBC would not be emphasizing belts. Maybe that is a tweak they make once they get the feedback from the 1st show. I would be happy if they went with the rankings from the transitional boxing board to make fights.

No I don't. It seems people think Haymon is trying to branch off and form his own "league". I haven't seen anything that suggested that. His 1st card had a Goosen fighter on it. He still has fighters who are fighting for sanctioning body belts-quillin, Russell, and has not forced any of his current champions-Thurman, Jacobs-to give up their belts. WHat I was thinking might be a long term plan- and this is just a stretch on my part-is he could try to shift weight classes to reflect the growth of the average human. SO if he were to adjust weights (ex MW from 160-165, ww up to 150 etc.) then I could see him giving those guys belts. But no, he isn't trying create his own title belts now. Man new weight divisions as well as new belts? lol It will be interesting to see how much is made of the WBO belt during the Quillin-Lee bout.

I'm speculating but belts are a staple of boxing, all champions have a belt unless they're going to wear a medal or something. You really think there won't be a belt added? No I don't. It seems people think Haymon is trying to branch off and form his own "league". I haven't seen anything that suggested that. His 1st card had a Goosen fighter on it. He still has fighters who are fighting for sanctioning body belts-quillin, Russell, and has not forced any of his current champions-Thurman, Jacobs-to give up their belts. WHat I was thinking might be a long term plan- and this is just a stretch on my part-is he could try to shift weight classes to reflect the growth of the average human. SO if he were to adjust weights (ex MW from 160-165, ww up to 150 etc.) then I could see him giving those guys belts. But no, he isn't trying create his own title belts now.

WHere has Haymon announced there is a PBC belt? All I've read and heard is his series is deemphasizing the title belts of anyone who fights on the PBC series. WHen his fighters fight on showtime, they will be defending/fighting for these titles-ie Gary Russell v Jhonny Gonzalez. I'm speculating but belts are a staple of boxing, all champions have a belt unless they're going to wear a medal or something. You really think there won't be a belt added?

Hopefully. There are 4 major titles, Haymon won't be getting rid of them, he'll be adding a 5th title. It'll be WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO and PBC with PBC only open to like 6-7 fighter per division who are signed to Haymon. WHere has Haymon announced there is a PBC belt? All I've read and heard is his series is deemphasizing the title belts of anyone who fights on the PBC series. WHen his fighters fight on showtime, they will be defending/fighting for these titles-ie Gary Russell v Jhonny Gonzalez.

Not long ago, the "sanctioning bodies" had a meeting on the issue of establishing an unified world champion... ... Under the present circumstances, I expect them to push forward in this direction... Hopefully. There are 4 major titles, Haymon won't be getting rid of them, he'll be adding a 5th title. It'll be WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO and PBC with PBC only open to like 6-7 fighter per division who are signed to Haymon.

Not long ago, the "sanctioning bodies" had a meeting on the issue of establishing an unified world champion... ... Under the present circumstances, I expect them to push forward in this direction...

LMAO, you guys are ****ing bipolar. Honestly, I cant believe people even care about the belts anymore. I cant remember the last time I cared about the belts. I hope Haymon creates one centralized PBC belt and eliminated the need for sanctioning bodies. And people would **** on that as if the WBC is the savoir of boxing. I just really dont understand people. They let bias and perceptions cloud their judgement even if its completely against what they originally stood for. People talk about the belts all the time, love them or hate them, they provide the sport with a structure. that ninja just had most watched boxing card in 25 years on his first go think its safe to say its gonna work I think Adamek-Cunningham drew a higher figure.

Haymon thinks he can do whatever the f*ck he wants. Dique PBC World Titles..... That ninja done lost his mind bro. that ninja just had most watched boxing card in 25 years on his first go think its safe to say its gonna work

Because the best fighters in boxing are not all signed under Haymon. The only way the PBC Belt will work is if he works with other promoters. It's a good idea if everybody is willing to work together. But that's never been and never will be the case. they will be in 10 years

The way I see it, is Haymon as of right now controls about half the star power in boxing. Half the star power uses a PBC belt, the others use the 5 million ABC belts. What belt is going to have more pull? The 5 milion belts on premium networks where only the hardcores see it getting more and more convulted with horrible fighters having belts or the Network TV boxers using one centralized belt in each division?? Would Al Haymon be willing to let Rigondeaux come fight Santa Cruz for the PBC title, considering that Rigondeaux doesn't make him any money? I believe we both know the answer to that. Sure the sanctioning bodies are scum, but a year from now every casual fan of the PBC will believe that Santa Cruz is the best Super Bantamweight in the world. If you think that fighters from other countries have a hard time getting their deserved shot at a championship with the sanctioning bodies, how easy will it be for them to get a shot at a great fighter in a separate league? There are 20,000 plus boxers throughout the world with 68 belts across 17 weight divisions. Do you believe that the PBC can bring clarity to that by narrowing it down to 17 belts? The second that Al Haymon puts on a truly competitive fight, I might start to believe that he's actually going to bring clarity or better the sport of boxing. Until then, I'll just view him as an ******* that's trying to dumb down the sport by using a hybrid of the WWE and UFC business models.

How could you improve something by separating it into two? PBC is becoming it's own entity and it's attempting to remove itself from the rest of the sport. We may have too many belts in the sport but that doesn't change the fact that the sanctioning bodies operate on a global scale, PBC seems restricted to the US and UK, for now(and who knows how long, if ever before they branch out). You claim to be sick of the promoter/HBO vs Shotime wars yet fail to realize that by PBC gaining momentum, those so called wars will be child's play for what's to come. Not only would you have PBC vs the rest of the promotional companies and promoters but what about the fighters themselves caught up in the crossfire? What about the fighters who grind themselves to the top of the division but get zero respect/attention because they aren't under Haymon's league, yet you'll have the number 10 guy of the division represented as the top dog on PBC broadcasts just because he's with Haymon lol. I embrace change and all but this entire situation seems off and if you can't see how much more friction the PBC league will cause in the sport as a whole, I have no idea what to tell you. Consolidating one world champion is a key component for the betterment of the sport, but driving promotional companies to extinction and having one man control a global sport is retarded, to say the least. You seem to hate Arum and his company but don't you see Haymon simply snatched up Arum's blueprint and took it one step further? In House fighting for their own fictional belts, lmao. How much would you praise Arum if he was attempting to create his own sanctioning body and neglect/disregard the big 4? You wouldn't, because it doesn't make much sense in the grand scheme of things. The sanctioning bodies need to keep their word and consolidate one champion and the sport needs some type of formal regulation. To assure no more belts are produced and that fighters face each other regardless of who promotes them, or else they get stripped or removed from their respective rankings. Those two tweaks would do wonders but now that the WBC, WBA and IBF are attempting to work together you have Haymon walking in pushing their belts off the table and setting up shop with his own schemes. Time will tell and like I have said millions of times before.. if PBC crashes and burns, the entire sport will suffer. Dozens of quality fighters will perish and end up in limbo while Al scurries away with his lion's share nicely tucked in his pockets. Another thing worthy of note, how much confusion would occur when the casual fans begin to actually seek out more broadcasts and land on HBO, Shotime and the dozen other boxing broadcasters? What will happen when they begin to realize that there is more than one champion and that most of the Champions under the PBC league aren't as highly regarded as those outside of it? It's all a God damn mess :lol1: but hey, atleast we get free boxing... great post, you said everything i wanted to and more, i don't post much and wouldn't have taken the time to type all that also ever since i watched that awful wwe presentation on saturday i noticed the championship situation and have been waiting for a thread like this to pop up

Haymon thinks he can do whatever the f*ck he wants. Dique PBC World Titles..... That ninja done lost his mind bro.

How could you improve something by separating it into two? PBC is becoming it's own entity and it's attempting to remove itself from the rest of the sport. We may have too many belts in the sport but that doesn't change the fact that the sanctioning bodies operate on a global scale, PBC seems restricted to the US and UK, for now(and who knows how long, if ever before they branch out). You claim to be sick of the promoter/HBO vs Shotime wars yet fail to realize that by PBC gaining momentum, those so called wars will be child's play for what's to come. Not only would you have PBC vs the rest of the promotional companies and promoters but what about the fighters themselves caught up in the crossfire? What about the fighters who grind themselves to the top of the division but get zero respect/attention because they aren't under Haymon's league, yet you'll have the number 10 guy of the division represented as the top dog on PBC broadcasts just because he's with Haymon lol. I embrace change and all but this entire situation seems off and if you can't see how much more friction the PBC league will cause in the sport as a whole, I have no idea what to tell you. Consolidating one world champion is a key component for the betterment of the sport, but driving promotional companies to extinction and having one man control a global sport is retarded, to say the least. You seem to hate Arum and his company but don't you see Haymon simply snatched up Arum's blueprint and took it one step further? In House fighting for their own fictional belts, lmao. How much would you praise Arum if he was attempting to create his own sanctioning body and neglect/disregard the big 4? You wouldn't, because it doesn't make much sense in the grand scheme of things. The sanctioning bodies need to keep their word and consolidate one champion and the sport needs some type of formal regulation. To assure no more belts are produced and that fighters face each other regardless of who promotes them, or else they get stripped or removed from their respective rankings. Those two tweaks would do wonders but now that the WBC, WBA and IBF are attempting to work together you have Haymon walking in pushing their belts off the table and setting up shop with his own schemes. Time will tell and like I have said millions of times before.. if PBC crashes and burns, the entire sport will suffer. Dozens of quality fighters will perish and end up in limbo while Al scurries away with his lion's share nicely tucked in his pockets. Another thing worthy of note, how much confusion would occur when the casual fans begin to actually seek out more broadcasts and land on HBO, Shotime and the dozen other boxing broadcasters? What will happen when they begin to realize that there is more than one champion and that most of the Champions under the PBC league aren't as highly regarded as those outside of it? It's all a God damn mess :lol1: but hey, atleast we get free boxing...