Wilder vs the Valuev that fought Haye?

Rahman had been brutally KO'd by Lewis, then stopped against Holyfield, tough fight with Tua, then Ruiz got the leftovers. After that Rahman did nothing but get Ko'd by Maskaev That's also more impressive than Wilder's entire career, thus far, even with you leaving out his Rahman's wins. Wilder has one meaningful fight against a very poor looking opponent and based on this and the fact that he plays basketball you declared him GOAT.

You literally made a thread declaring Wilder to be the most athletic heavyweight of all time on the basis that he plays basketball. How could I forget something so funny? He also played football as well, you failed to produce the names of any fighters that played more than 3 sports. Only Jennings rivals his athleticism, part time banker fighting Wlad lol. You think it's all just a coincidence he's the HW champ lol.

Ruiz beat Rahman, Oquendo and Golota in the run up to Valuev. That's better than Wilders entire resume. :lol1: lmao, Stiverne is far superior to all those fighters and it's not like Wilder even struggled with him. He won a wide UD even though he broke his hand in the 4th round, which up until that point, he was punching through Stiverne's guard and rocking him with every right hand. Oquendo is a journeyman, Golota too extremely chinny, Rahman had been brutally KO'd by Lewis, then stopped against Holyfield, tough fight with Tua, then Ruiz got the leftovers. After that Rahman did nothing but get Ko'd by Maskaev. Wilder was using a left hook jab combo on Stiverne to hold him off, while defensively he lured him in and kept distance with his reflexes and head movement. Occasionally throwing his right hand but without nearly as much power. Stiverne is a very explosive power puncher.

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This guy thinks Ruiz & 90 year old Holyfield are levels ahead of Wilder lmao. Practically every time we're debating something you bring up basketball players, then you start talking about how you fantasize about them, the fvck is wrong with you dude. You literally made a thread declaring Wilder to be the most athletic heavyweight of all time on the basis that he plays basketball. How could I forget something so funny?

Yet wilder got knocked out in sparring after 2 minutes into their 2nd rd ... wilder is raw unskillful and relies on one power rt hand and has no real defense... imagine wilder fight holyfield or bowe.. damnnnnnn you got knocked the FFFFFFFFFck out!!!!!!!! His jab looked a whole lot better against Stiverne.

Haye could KO Wilder IMO. Haye throw's a lot more than somebody like Stiverne and has much better movement and speed. Fury would test Wilder - but I believe the stronger chin would win the fight and I am not sold on Fury's chin (or Wilders) Either Klitch takes Wilder to school. Wilder is nothing special - he is just an athlete with decent (not great) boxing skills. More experienced and intelligent boxers in shape beat the brakes off him.

This post makes no sense. Wilder has done nothing to illustrate that he's in the same league as elderly versions of Ruiz or Haye, much less Holyfield. He's had one meaningful fight and it didn't impress. He teed off on a lumpy opponent he couldn't finish and got caught a few times along the way. So far, that's his career. You can speculate about how awesome he is and how he tastes but in reality, that's his career up to this point. You've said in the past that you love him because he reminds you of basketball players or some ****, which is weird, but yeah this is a boxing forum. This guy thinks Ruiz & 90 year old Holyfield are levels ahead of Wilder lmao. Practically every time we're debating something you bring up basketball players, then you start talking about how you fantasize about them, the fvck is wrong with you dude.

Damn you guys are overrating the shit out of Valuev, he was slow, uncoordinated, easy to hit. Wilder has great reflexes, that's why he wasn't getting hit against Stiverne, he was moving out of the way at the last second, he's not helpless defensively. You guys do realize the great John Ruiz nearly beat him in '05 right? 3 years later old man Holyfield arguably beat him in '08. Wilder would tee off on his head all day long, he punches harder than Haye and can land his punches much easier. This post makes no sense. Wilder has done nothing to illustrate that he's in the same league as elderly versions of Ruiz or Haye, much less Holyfield. He's had one meaningful fight and it didn't impress. He teed off on a lumpy opponent he couldn't finish and got caught a few times along the way. So far, that's his career. You can speculate about how awesome he is and how he tastes but in reality, that's his career up to this point. You've said in the past that you love him because he reminds you of basketball players or some ****, which is weird, but yeah this is a boxing forum.

valuev is more elegant and nimble than wilder

I don't see half the fighter Haye is in Wilder. He's taller that's literally it. Valuev was much taller and they're about equally awkward. Valuev late stoppage. Haye would box circles around Wilder. Nearly loses to John Ruiz & 80 year old Holyfield lmao, but he's gonna stop the hyper athletic American HW champion Wilder? You should tell us how great Ruiz and Holyfield were in '05 and '08, must've been world class fighters.

Horrible fight. But Wilder wins. Yeah it would not be pretty but Wilder would win. He's athletic, has good movement, good power

While Wilder has proved himself against cab drivers. Haye is a better all-round fighter than Wilder; that's a fact. Damn you guys are overrating the shit out of Valuev, he was slow, uncoordinated, easy to hit. Wilder has great reflexes, that's why he wasn't getting hit against Stiverne, he was moving out of the way at the last second, he's not helpless defensively. You guys do realize the great John Ruiz nearly beat him in '05 right? 3 years later old man Holyfield arguably beat him in '08. Wilder would tee off on his head all day long, he punches harder than Haye and can land his punches much easier.

Haye struggled against tall fighters, Wlad and Valuev. Both fights his offense was practically the same, rarely threw a punch. He's not used to fighting guys that size, heavily inexperienced, he was a CW most of his career. While Wilder has proved himself against cab drivers. Haye is a better all-round fighter than Wilder; that's a fact.

Valuev for me. I still think Wilder is too open and not skilled enough, but it could go either way. Wilder isn't half the fighter that Haye is. This^^^^. Look at the Yanks bigging Wilder up. He's technically inferior to Haye, and some would say they have about the same power

A horrible fight, but Wilder probably edges it on points. LOL at those saying he'd knock Valuev out.

Haye struggled against tall fighters, Wlad and Valuev. Both fights his offense was practically the same, rarely threw a punch. He's not used to fighting guys that size, heavily inexperienced, he was a CW most of his career.

Valuev for me. I still think Wilder is too open and not skilled enough, but it could go either way. Wilder isn't half the fighter that Haye is.

Wilder by ko Not even debatable imo

beast from the east eats Alabama for breakfast. I rate David Haye then much higher than Wilder at any point so far.