Best in ability.

Yall musta forgot.. THE G.O.A.T. http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/brian_sutherland.jpg

I think all real F1 fans can agree on that. There is absolutely no way that this guy will be remembered anywhere close to the way that Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio, Lauda, Stewart and all the other great legendary champions of the past are. I agree with the consensus, Vettel is and was not in that league, he is a good driver in a pretty strong era of drivers, but not one of the great ones, he never showed the pedigree of a top driver in the junior categories, that doesn't always mean everything but I think in this case it has been proven pretty relevant. He does have a touch of genius about some of his driving, but in terms of pure speed he is not in the top bracket, I would class him similarly to Jenson Button, and Kimi actually, that should be a good battle, especially considering both guys like a pointy front end, planted car, and that car is gonna be a piece of crap lol. I think it is general consensus that Alonso and Hamilton are the top dogs, and then you have Riccardo and Rosberg in my opinion. (Riccardo could prove to be in the same league as Hamilton and Alonso, and yes I rated Rosberg highly before 2013). I think those guys carry the most pure speed, and have the highest skill levels. Bottas looks a really good driver, but I feel he is in danger of becoming overrated by the media, Ive always though Romain Grosjean was super fast also.

Oscar surely has to be up there, no?

He's not capable, very fortunate driver. Di Resta beat this guy in the lower formulas. Never had the calibre of a genuine 4 time champ and is now cashing out at Ferrari before Ricciardo ruined his reputation further and blocked his chance of ever getting the Ferrari drive. 2014 must have been very humbling for him, and that's a good thing because he became a arrogant and entitled driver who thought the success was down to him when in reality it was Newey and a fortunate set of circumstances. Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson and Marion Jones were the most talented too.....nothing more than drug cheats, the lot of them. Ripped fuel was sold over the counter out of GMC n vitamin stores....that's waaaaay different what those people did. Jones never knowingly took banned substances. Even in the ams he had the same power speed and physique.

I agree Vettel's move is going to be a complete disaster. Ferrari have signed the 2 drivers who have struggled the most last season. On one hand you have Kimi Raikkonen who is completely worthless if the car isn't completely perfect for him and on the other you have Vettel who relies on excessive downforce. If the car isn't glued to the ground then he has no confidence. 2 struggling drivers with another sh**ty Ferrari spells disaster for the team in 2015. I bet when he was test driving Alonso's 2012 car he was thinking to himself "Alonso almost beat me in this piece of s**t?". I can't see Vettel staying in the sport much longer, he's had his 4 titles and has clearly lost motivation to win another one or he wouldn't be moving to Ferrari. I think he just wants to drive a year or two for the team that he dreamed of driving for as a little boy then he's going to pack his bags and move back to Germany to retire. The only way I can see him staying in the sport is if the rumors are true and they bring back the V10 engines because he's not keen on the v6 turbo's and obviously because Ferrari dominated the V10 era He's not capable, very fortunate driver. Di Resta beat this guy in the lower formulas. Never had the calibre of a genuine 4 time champ and is now cashing out at Ferrari before Ricciardo ruined his reputation further and blocked his chance of ever getting the Ferrari drive. 2014 must have been very humbling for him, and that's a good thing because he became a arrogant and entitled driver who thought the success was down to him when in reality it was Newey and a fortunate set of circumstances. Roy Jones jr had the most talent of any fighter in history...he did things in the ring has ever done before of after....in his prime he had no peers...true one punch power from 154 to 168, unmatched speed and omg .the reflexes, threw every punch in the book well, had a style of his own and mixed in subtle nuances like using his shoulder, anticipating hisopponents next punch and moves better than any fighter ever...by far the most ability I've ever seen and I've seem most of the all time greats.... Roy's natural talent was as far above his contemporaries as sugar ray Robinson...they were both otherworldly Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson and Marion Jones were the most talented too.....nothing more than drug cheats, the lot of them.

Roy Jones jr had the most talent of any fighter in history...he did things in the ring has ever done before of after....in his prime he had no peers...true one punch power from 154 to 168, unmatched speed and omg .the reflexes, threw every punch in the book well, had a style of his own and mixed in subtle nuances like using his shoulder, anticipating hisopponents next punch and moves better than any fighter ever...by far the most ability I've ever seen and I've seem most of the all time greats.... Roy's natural talent was as far above his contemporaries as sugar ray Robinson...they were both otherworldly

Currently? Jorge Linares! If it wasn't for the Fragile Skin...Linares right now would be a Top 5 P4P Fighter EASILY! Past? Terry Norris!

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That really depends on how good the power unit that Honda is supplying McLaren and if McLaren engineers make a car that doesn't have the aerodynamics of a brick. You just know if its close to Mercedes then Alonso could be a serious threat, especially if the Mercedes has as many unreliability problems as last year. I expect Lewis to dominate 2015 though, he's equally as skilled as Alonso and in the best car. I can see this Honda power unit being just as bad as the Renault one was last year, but who knows. If it is a good unit and McLaren get their **** together they have an amazing driver in Alonso, he's the best at overtaking on the grid for me, although Ricciardo made some excellent moves last year. Can't see Vettel being happy at Ferrari either what you think?

LOL @ a Khan fan calling another fighter glass-jawed.

Absolutely. Guys talk about great defence and counter punching, James Toney at his best is possibly the best I've ever seen at it. He'd sit right there in the pocket and just roll punches like it was nothing and let the momentum of his body carry back his counter shots with power. He was a master. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3789525/james-toney-right-hand-o.gif http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1756239/james-toney-workin-o.gif Even when he wasn't in the best shape, he could still put on technical clinics like he did against Jirov...which remains one of my all time favourite fights. Toney was so good at rolling shots and fighting on the ropes. One of the best ever without a doubt. I just wish he would have fought Eubank and Benn, but saying that I think he would have beat both.

That really depends on how good the power unit that Honda is supplying McLaren and if McLaren engineers make a car that doesn't have the aerodynamics of a brick. You just know if its close to Mercedes then Alonso could be a serious threat, especially if the Mercedes has as many unreliability problems as last year. I expect Lewis to dominate 2015 though, he's equally as skilled as Alonso and in the best car. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Roy Jones. http://www.topclassboxing.co.uk/Fight_Report/Yall_Must_Have_Forgot_main.jpg

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I used to love watching his fights. ATG IMO. Absolutely. Guys talk about great defence and counter punching, James Toney at his best is possibly the best I've ever seen at it. He'd sit right there in the pocket and just roll punches like it was nothing and let the momentum of his body carry back his counter shots with power. He was a master. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3789525/james-toney-right-hand-o.gif http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1756239/james-toney-workin-o.gif Even when he wasn't in the best shape, he could still put on technical clinics like he did against Jirov...which remains one of my all time favourite fights.

Khan at modelling, he is the best clearly.

They actually think Khan is on the same level as Whitaker, Jones, and Toney. :rofl: Khan beats Floyd.

I'm not even going to waste my time watching that. I am a big F1 fan though. Do you think Lewis can win the title again next year?