Ruddock/Morrison/Golota all looked as good as GGG does now prior to their downfall.

Go back and look at the fights of Ruddock/Morrison/Golota prior to them fighting Tyson/Mercer/Lewis.. They were all were very talented big power punchers that was schooling everyone. Talent was real. Skills was there. The difference is that they faced two legit ATG'S and a legit Hall of Fame caliber fighter. GGG isn't even as talented as Golota was but he will go down as the much greater fighter because there isn't a MW Lennox Lewis waiting for him. This is just the 'luck of an era'.......Sometimes you are known as a greater fighter than you should be due to your era. Sometimes you are known as lesser than you should be. I'm not bashing GGG or Ruddock/Morrison/Golota. They all have superb talent. The difference is that the 3 90's heavyweights had to go against elite level fighters. I doubt GGG ever will. Unless he goes up against Ward that is. Even than, Ward isn't anywhere in the same ball park as a Tyson or Lewis. guess you missed Ruddock/jaco and morrsion/vaulen or golota/ p`ouha. they struggled and showed flaws in those fights. not saying ggg isn't untested but his fights have certainly gone smoother with less difficulty than the above mentioned guys. I think hes the goods and will prove it. we shall see

I have a very very hard time thinking of top Heavyweights that can beat or are better than Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson. You should do a list. Because it's almost impossible to list 10. What happens after the Ali/Louis/Frazier/Foreman tier? You going to say the likes of Dempsey or Liston are greater than Lewis or Tyson? On what grounds? Like I said........impossible to list 10. There's two ways to look at this - head to head and by resume. If we're going by resume then there is no way Tyson even approaches the TOP 10 and LL is barely there. Head to head I think prime Tyson, with a Cus D'Amato and the team that was in his corner in 1986-87 would be trouble for everyone. Especially if they prepared for going the distance. Head to head is further complicated by the way the rules were interpreted; by same day weigh-ins (doesn't apply to heavyweights); 15 round fights; different sized gloves (3oz for heavyweights in the 1890s and 6oz was common until the 1920s). If you say Joe Louis is "obviously" better how do you account for Blackburn, Arcel and others saying that Jack Johnson was Joe Louis' equal (right up until after the second Schmelling fight).

Or like struggling against Kassim Ouma.I seem to recall him looking flat, but not being on the verge of landing flat on his face. You have the objectivity of the Iraqi Information Minster. Youtube has all of these fights watch them and come back and post on them.

That's why his detractors are so vicious against him. He has yet to beat anyone as close to good as Monzon, but then he beats him head to head? He's yet to beat anyone as good as Peter Quillin, who is not that good, but he beats Monzon, who was great? That's why Golovkin gets hate and is called overhyped and overrated. He literally is overrated. He's rated to highly without doing anything significant yet. GGG doesn't deserve the hate. It's the Pinhead fans who call him the best middleweight ever. I'm a GGG fan. I think he's much better than his detractors say. In fact I think he's the best middleweight since Hopkins. He's far better than Kelly Pavlik, better than Sturm and I would (now) slightly favor him over both Jermain Taylor and Martinez. As I said I think he is far better than his detractors make him out to be. But all that being said doesn't put him in RJJ, Hagler, Monzon. I would love to see him against a Minter or a McClellan. Both would be a perfect match-up of styles and skills. Then we would see how good GGG really is.

That's why his detractors are so vicious against him. He has yet to beat anyone as close to good as Monzon, but then he beats him head to head? He's yet to beat anyone as good as Peter Quillin, who is not that good, but he beats Monzon, who was great? That's why Golovkin gets hate and is called overhyped and overrated. He literally is overrated. He's rated to highly without doing anything significant yet. geale is better than quillin. are you overhyping undefeated haymon fighters who don't fight anyone again?

You should've made this statement your thread, there was no need to confuse it with heavyweights. Basically you think Golovkin is lucky to be in a weak MW division, he is a power puncher who will get found out, or would be found out if there was an elite level fighter in his division. You're not saying anything we haven't heard already from Golovkin detractors. Anyhow, I don't get into the old fights much but I have watched Monzon and while Golovkin will possibly never have the record of the Argentine, imo he would beat him H2H. That's why his detractors are so vicious against him. He has yet to beat anyone as close to good as Monzon, but then he beats him head to head? He's yet to beat anyone as good as Peter Quillin, who is not that good, but he beats Monzon, who was great? That's why Golovkin gets hate and is called overhyped and overrated. He literally is overrated. He's rated to highly without doing anything significant yet.

I've eased my hate on GGG, mainly because i've accepted that the guy is just frightened to step up and the best guys he's calling out are Jr Middleweights and the most dangerous guy he is calling out is Chavez Jr, who went 1-1 vs a good journeyman Brian Vera at 168. GGG is pretty much all hype no matter if he beats Cotto, Canelo and Chavez Jr all in a row. Dude is scared to death of stepping up.

You examples are literally horrible but I do get the point of your thread. The greatness of fighters tends to lessen some others. Kind of like how Daniel Cormier would be dominating the LHW division if it wasn't for Jon Jones.

You should've made this statement your thread, there was no need to confuse it with heavyweights. Basically you think Golovkin is lucky to be in a weak MW division, he is a power puncher who will get found out, or would be found out if there was an elite level fighter in his division. You're not saying anything we haven't heard already from Golovkin detractors. Anyhow, I don't get into the old fights much but I have watched Monzon and while Golovkin will possibly never have the record of the Argentine, imo he would beat him H2H. Weebler I have always disliked you and your photo of hat ton and always will due to arguments and disagreements but I agree with your post Golovkin beat Monzon? Now u guys have taken the cake for being more delusional than the thread starter. I mean based on what?

My Dad's a doctor so I'm pretty smart. Ah, a non sequitur... :)

Go back and look at the fights of Ruddock/Morrison/Golota prior to them fighting Tyson/Mercer/Lewis.. They were all were very talented big power punchers that was schooling everyone. Talent was real. Skills was there. The difference is that they faced two legit ATG'S and a legit Hall of Fame caliber fighter. GGG isn't even as talented as Golota was but he will go down as the much greater fighter because there isn't a MW Lennox Lewis waiting for him. This is just the 'luck of an era'.......Sometimes you are known as a greater fighter than you should be due to your era. Sometimes you are known as lesser than you should be. I'm not bashing GGG or Ruddock/Morrison/Golota. They all have superb talent. The difference is that the 3 90's heavyweights had to go against elite level fighters. I doubt GGG ever will. Unless he goes up against Ward that is. Even than, Ward isn't anywhere in the same ball park as a Tyson or Lewis. to you maybe...

Thanks for solidifying your ignorance My Dad's a doctor so I'm pretty smart.

... And since when "American" became a "race"? :) :) :) What does this have to do with boxing?

Just wanted to let you know I didn't read this post. You're a sh*t poster. Sorry. (P.S. I can make a legit case for Wlad being the GOAT HW when it's all said and done) No you can't. No fighter can be known as GOAT if they lost during their physical prime. I don't care if Wlad gets a time machine and beat everyone from the 90's. He still can't be #1 because he lost during his physical prime. Wladimir against Sanders and Brewster was physically more elite than the Wladimir of today. He's not a better boxer but he was at his athletic prime. He was faster than he is today. He threw better combinations and he is just overall a greater athlete than any version of Wlad 2009-2014. 09-14 Wladimir would destroy 00-06 Wladimir, but that doesn't change the fact that 00-06 was Wlad's athletic prime.

golota was a lumbering idiot who doesnt have GGG's athleticism, versatility, and overall offensive game. morrison had potential early on but never lived up to it. he was more white hype than actual great boxer. razor ruddock had that corkscrew uppercut but he is not on the same level as GGG when it comes to offense. GGG's upside/potential is far greater than all of those fighters. Except Golota's performances against a past prime but still elite Riddick Bowe is far more impressive than any wins GGG have had.

I think Monson and Hagler are TOP3 / TOP 5 Middleweights. I have a hard time putting either LL or Tyson in the TOP 10. Both are in the 11-20 range for me. Of course that depends on the day. On some days I would have each at around number 10. Secondly the middleweight has, historically, been much deeper than the heavyweight division. I have a very very hard time thinking of top Heavyweights that can beat or are better than Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson. You should do a list. Because it's almost impossible to list 10. What happens after the Ali/Louis/Frazier/Foreman tier? You going to say the likes of Dempsey or Liston are greater than Lewis or Tyson? On what grounds? Like I said........impossible to list 10.

Walters is African-American. Thanks for solidifying your ignorance

Very true. There have been hypejobs in the past so the fighter you don't like must also be a hypejob.

You should've made this statement your thread, there was no need to confuse it with heavyweights. Basically you think Golovkin is lucky to be in a weak MW division, he is a power puncher who will get found out, or would be found out if there was an elite level fighter in his division. You're not saying anything we haven't heard already from Golovkin detractors. Anyhow, I don't get into the old fights much but I have watched Monzon and while Golovkin will possibly never have the record of the Argentine, imo he would beat him H2H. Weebler I have always disliked you and your photo of hat ton and always will due to arguments and disagreements but I agree with your post

Would GGG be a unified champion in the same era as Hagler and Prime Hopkins? With maybe a Monzon thrown in? You should've made this statement your thread, there was no need to confuse it with heavyweights. Basically you think Golovkin is lucky to be in a weak MW division, he is a power puncher who will get found out, or would be found out if there was an elite level fighter in his division. You're not saying anything we haven't heard already from Golovkin detractors. Anyhow, I don't get into the old fights much but I have watched Monzon and while Golovkin will possibly never have the record of the Argentine, imo he would beat him H2H.