Tyson vs Liston

Patterson was a built up middleweight, and because of his speed and the fastest puncher of his time, had great success. But eventually he took a lot of punishment and slowed down. By the time he fought Liston he was done-mentally and physically. It doesn't matter if floyd wasnt out of shape he never would beat son cause he was a real hw mike was always a real hw and would destroy son way to fast and great at defense and son never would land enough its obvious he would lose

Don't forget ...he had to go in there because the Mob wanted him to. You don't know about those Senate hearings, mainly all about the Mob controlling boxing-which it did then, but it was because of Mobbed up Liston winning the title. Mob control had weakened by mid 60’s, they were still involved in the sport but it wasn’t like the 20’s were guys like Rothstein were fixing the World Series.

I think he dived cause he didn’t want to be in there personally. Clay had broken him but he had to take the rematch cause he needed the money. It was a quit rather than a fix IMO. Don't forget ...he had to go in there because the Mob wanted him to. You don't know about those Senate hearings, mainly all about the Mob controlling boxing-which it did then, but it was because of Mobbed up Liston winning the title.

Contrary to popular belief, his best range was not inside, it was mid-range. Sonny Liston would not have that hard a time with Tyson.Liston would used the jab to pick off the smaller Tyson and set him up for big rights and uppercuts.Tyson's style was exactly like Floyd Patterson's (Cus trained him also) but with much more power.Sonny can take anything Tyson dishes out,and that would discourage Mike big time.A great heavyweight contender named Cleveland Williams unloaded on Sonny in the first round of their first fight,bloodying his nose and possibly breaking it.Williams had big time power like Tyson and probably the same amount of speed.Williams was also bigger than Tyson.Liston simply shook off the blows and figured Williams out,eventually knocking him out in 3 rounds.Sonny took Williams down in the 2 round in their rematch.Liston would pound the smaller Tyson around the ring and do what nobody ever did with a prime Tyson and that's dominate him.Sonny takes this in no more than 5 but probably ends this much earlier by 3rd round knockout. Williams was a very good puncher, but SLOW...SLOW. Liston also a very good puncher and also SLOW. but faster than Wiams and also had a good straight left., Williams did not have a good chin. He was KOd 9 times in 13 losses, some by journeymen.

I consider only Patterson an atg. I think the others were great. Their is a difference. Patterson was a built up middleweight, and because of his speed and the fastest puncher of his time, had great success. But eventually he took a lot of punishment and slowed down. By the time he fought Liston he was done-mentally and physically.

Cus and Tyson used to discuss old fights and fighters all the time. I’m 100% I’ve heard Tyson say that Cus told him all about Liston. It isn’t some myth I read on the internet. I’m somewhat of a boxing historian. Your annoying dumbass is going on ignore. Try being less presumptuous with the next guy. It makes you look incredibly stupid. cus never said that stop believing in myths said online that make no sense cus would never say a person as slow and easy to read would be a danger to Mike if u watch mike u would see mike was a counter puncher floyd wasnt a counterer he was more brawler mike was mid range floyd was more close floyd threw combos usually outta random mike threw 3-4 combos usually from counters or seeing a person is hurt already mike changed angles at anytime once he seen his victim had bad defense to catch them off guard I called them switches so if u call any of this the same u have a vision problem so why did you say that lie quote of they was similar none of this is alike at all stop repeating dumb quotes you seen others say without watching you dumb follower you trolls are crazy cus said what you said yet no proof of it cus used to watch with mike no proof of that either see how you keep using dumb quotes you read show vid proof if he said that and used to watch show proof you crazy dumb follower show the vid proof like I said since he said that and used to do that since you think everything you read online is true dumb follower

Cus and Tyson used to discuss old fights and fighters all the time. I’m 100% I’ve heard Tyson say that Cus told him all about Liston. It isn’t some myth I read on the internet. I’m somewhat of a boxing historian. Your annoying dumbass is going on ignore. Try being less presumptuous with the next guy. It makes you look incredibly stupid cus never said that stop believing in myths said online that make no sense cus would never say a person as slow and easy to read would be a danger to Mike if u watch mike u would see mike was a counter puncher floyd wasnt a counterer he was more brawler mike was mid range floyd was more close floyd threw combos usually outta random mike threw 3-4 combos usually from counters or seeing a person is hurt already mike changed angles at anytime once he seen his victim had bad defense to catch them off guard I called them switches so if u call any of this the same u have a vision problem so why did you say that lie quote of they was similar none of this is alike at all stop repeating dumb quotes you seen others say without watching you dumb follower you trolls are crazy

this, even shot with lennox he ate a bunch of punches before he went down. he ate a lot against buster douglas too. in all his stoppages except those post lennox when he just quit, he ate a lot of shots, not like he got put out cold with a single shot. so his chin certainly isnt "non existent" well only dumb followers who dont watch matches and go off other dummies saying he wasnt tough say that

Did you pick Helenius to upset Kownacki? Or Rosario to upset J Rock? Or Fury to go on the offensive to stop Wilder in 8? Or pick Kiko Martinez to stop Kid Galahad? Cuz I kinda think that was all me. Address me with some respect the next time you try talking to me, ya dumb bitch Floyd and Tyson are similar with the peek-a-boo style. Don’t be a nitpicking douche with your 8 likes. You can use the points. Cus D’Amato told Floyd to avoid fighting Liston at all cost. Floyd disobeyed. Does this sound like the kind of guy who would tell Tyson that Liston is a tomato can? Use your brains, if you got any. cus never said that stop believing in myths said online that make no sense cus would never say a person as slow and easy to read would be a danger to Mike if u watch mike u would see mike was a counter puncher floyd wasnt a counterer he was more brawler mike was mid range floyd was more close floyd threw combos usually outta random mike threw 3-4 combos usually from counters or seeing a person is hurt already mike changed angles at anytime once he seen his victim had bad defense to catch them off guard I called them switches so if u call any of this the same u have a vision problem so why did you say that lie quote of they was similar none of this is alike at all stop repeating dumb quotes you seen others say without watching you dumb follower you trolls are crazy

Pretty good write up. Calling Tyson's chin "nonexistent" is a bit hyperbolic in my opinion. this, even shot with lennox he ate a bunch of punches before he went down. he ate a lot against buster douglas too. in all his stoppages except those post lennox when he just quit, he ate a lot of shots, not like he got put out cold with a single shot. so his chin certainly isnt "non existent"

Floyd and Tyson are similar with the peek-a-boo style. Don’t be a nitpicking douche with your 8 likes. You can use the points. Cus D’Amato told Floyd to avoid fighting Liston at all cost. Floyd disobeyed. Does this sound like the kind of guy who would tell Tyson that Liston is a tomato can? Use your brains, if you got any. cus never said that stop believing in myths said online that make no sense cus would never say a person as slow and easy to read would be a danger to Mike if u watch mike u would see mike was a counter puncher floyd wasnt a counterer he was more brawler mike was mid range floyd was more close floyd threw combos usually outta random mike threw 3-4 combos usually from counters or seeing a person is hurt already mike changed angles at anytime once he seen his victim had bad defense to catch them off guard I called them switches so if u call any of this the same u have a vision problem so why did you say that lie quote of they was similar none of this is alike at all stop repeating dumb quotes you seen others say without watching you dumb follower you trolls are crazy

I feel like Cus D’Amato told Mike that Liston was the scariest dude ever so out of respect Mike just falsely claims he’d lose the fight. Patterson had a similar style but he fought scared and hit no where near as hard and wasn’t as strong. Listons jab is great but it’s one at a time and always thrown at the same speed. He be countered and the distance would be closed. He’s done for. cus never said that stop believing in myths said online that make no sense cus would never say a person as slow and easy to read would be a danger to Mike if u watch mike u would see mike was a counter puncher floyd wasnt a counterer he was more brawler mike was mid range floyd was more close floyd threw combos usually outta random mike threw 3-4 combos usually from counters or seeing a person is hurt already mike changed angles at anytime once he seen his victim had bad defense to catch them off guard I called them switches so if u call any of this the same u have a vision problem so why did you say that lie quote of they was similar none of this is alike at all

I feel like Cus D’Amato told Mike that Liston was the scariest dude ever so out of respect Mike just falsely claims he’d lose the fight. Patterson had a similar style but he fought scared and hit no where near as hard and wasn’t as strong. Listons jab is great but it’s one at a time and always thrown at the same speed. He be countered and the distance would be closed. He’s done for. stop trolling idiot cus never said that So let me get this straight Abdel... You are comparing a match up between Mike Tyson and Liston, to the performance and outcome of Liston's opponent PATTERSON! Patterson at 189 and 194lbs respectively in both their fights, who had a much softer body composition than Tyson at 215-220lbs who, at his length, looked like a starving greyhound. An UTTER featherfist and ultra fine glass jaw vs Tyson, an ultimate power puncher and ironm chin. I repeat, your telling me THIS Floyd Patterson... http://www.phillyboxinghistory.com/b...rson_floyd.jpg Is in any way a comparable opponent than THIS Mike Tyson? http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/upl...dybuilding.jpg That's like me squashing an ant and then claiming that because I crushed that ant I would also be able to crush an elephant, simply because they had the same trainer/style. THIS sounds more plausible to you than "ELEPHANT STOMPS ME". Your are an absolute fool and for any reasonable person, your whole idea there was carried away with the garbage the moment they clicked on those images. Floyd Patterson was one of the weakest HW champions ever to have graced the sport but he can be excused for this because HE WAS NOT A HW as we would describe one today. He is testament to EXACTLY what I spoke about Liston. Liston never beat anybody who was not a CRUISER or a BUM, or on a loss streak, or combination thereof. THIS^ is the record of Liston, comparable to butterbean. Explain HOW he would beat Tyson? He isn't fast enough to land punches on Tyson. He isn't skilled enough to box Tyson. He isn't strong/tough enough to withstand Tyson. Landslide victory for Tyson. I made the Scaff comparison for a reason, not to degrade Liston *which I admit it does, BUT.. Liston was slow as a snail (like Scaff) Liston could hit pretty hard for his size (Scaff was big boy) Liston was extremely uncoordinated (just like Scaff) Liston to take a little bit of damage (again, Scaff) I will give you one thing. I think Liston could have beaten every previous HW. I think he'd have been too big for Rocky. I think he might have even beat Joe Louis but that would be a good fight. If you had claimed Liston would beat Louis, that would have been reasonable, but he doesn't even play within 3 leagues of Tyson. next time read pages before and watch matches idiot son was to slow and easy to read dummy like said here so how would he win idiot troll

Tyson would have Liston looking for a soft place to lie down. Speed kills. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9Tn6RDb-P9xI1IURz2884Dx10UZtfStr37-6uQ5cqaHiTfyGEp_pg9eUjZIhcrKTIk0M&usqp=CAU.jpg","data-attachmentid":31292734} not just Mike's speed his great timing and great defense son had no way to land much the poster explained it real good

Nah, the ¨phantom punch¨ match was definetly fixed no way Liston, one of the toughest, grittiest guys in the business would get KO'd with a half assed punch like that specially from Ali who wasn't a big puncher at all imagine if Floyd-Margarito actually happened and Floyd KO'd Margo with one punch. it was that ridiculous that was a dive why couldn't he ali dropped joe and joe was way tougher to taking shots he could see so stop overrating your weird and why did you say ali wasnt a big puncher he was a sharp puncher most the time those types are the ones who cause damage from mutiple punches cause of the sharp effect and it's been mutiple people with those type of punches that dropped people so your talking like a person who doesnt know much about how boxing or different type of punches work

Nah, the ¨phantom punch¨ match was definetly fixed no way Liston, one of the toughest, grittiest guys in the business would get KO'd with a half assed punch like that specially from Ali who wasn't a big puncher at all imagine if Floyd-Margarito actually happened and Floyd KO'd Margo with one punch. it was that ridiculous that was a dive I think he dived cause he didn’t want to be in there personally. Clay had broken him but he had to take the rematch cause he needed the money. It was a quit rather than a fix IMO.

Pre Clay Liston knocks Tyson out. The Clay-Liston fights were not fixed either, Clay just broke Liston mentally IMO. He couldn’t believe a man would show him such disdain in the build up and when Clay backed it up in the ring Liston completely fell apart. Nah, the ¨phantom punch¨ match was definetly fixed no way Liston, one of the toughest, grittiest guys in the business would get KO'd with a half assed punch like that specially from Ali who wasn't a big puncher at all imagine if Floyd-Margarito actually happened and Floyd KO'd Margo with one punch. it was that ridiculous that was a dive

They are: Style How does he box? Punching Power Is he swatting flies or cracking jaws? Speed Can you see his punches coming or do they sneak up on you? Chin - Can the boxer take a pounding and stand his ground? Defense Is he a human punching bag or is he hard to hit? Heart Does he have the desire to peel his sweaty carcass off the canvas and return to battle? Psychology Can he get inside his opponent's head and nullify his training? Key Losses Who did the boxer lose to and why? Stamina/Endurance Is he grabbing his knees in the eighth round? style-Liston. the classic swarmer vs slugger. Not to mention tyson had trouble with jabbers as seen by Douglas. punching power-this is a no brainer. liston was of the hardest punchers off all time. whole tyson's punching power was something to watch, it just wasn't in the same class as liston. speed- Tyson. For years Mike Tysons hand speed has been overlooked. He packed such lethal punches that few people noticed his speed. In his documentary, Mike Tyson states that he studied quick exciting boxers and he modeled his style after them. Watch a few clips of Tyson throwing punches and youll see what I mean. Tyson would whip out five or six hooks and uppercuts in the blink of an eye. It was extremely rare to see a boxer beat Mike Tyson to the punch. Chin-Liston. Only down twice in his career and one of them was a dive. Mike Tysons armor came with a major *****. His chin was relatively nonexistent. It was never really tested, but it failed on those rare occasions that he needed it. His chin was put to the test in bouts with Lennox Lewis (Tyson was KOd), Evander Holyfield (Tyson lost on a TKO in which he admits to blacking out) and Buster Douglas (Tysons most infamous KO loss). Their really is no comparison in this. Defense. Tyson. Watch some clips and you'll see what i mean. While Liston's defense was underrated, it wasn't on that level. Heart-Liston. Liston took Cleveland Williams best shots and wasn't discouraged. Not to mention Williams also broke his nose. He came back to win. Liston also fought 6 rounds with a broken jaw Mike Tyson never displayed great heart. He fought back to win against Razor Ruddock but that was basically it. After taking punishment, he was visibly demoralized in bouts with the Irish Champion Kevin McBride, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. Tyson could dominate a fight, but he didnt possess the will to dig deep and deliver punishment when the chips were stacked against him. Psychology. Liston In his documentary, Tyson flat out says the following, I walk around the ring and never take my eyes off my opponent. Im looking for a sign of his fear. Hell fight hard for two or three rounds but I KNOW I broke his spirit. Tyson relied on fear, but he struggled openly when boxers did not fear him. There was another major ***** in Mike Tysons psychological armor. His confidence was directly tied to Cus Damato. Damato built up Tysons confidence in himself and Tyson lost a good chunk of that when Damato died. You cant escape a good debate about Mike Tyson without hearing, if Cus Damato didnt die. Nobody can deny Cus standing as a great trainer. However, Tysons admitted reliance on Damato is a definite weak point. Liston avenged one of his losses. something tyson never did. Williams stood up to Liston and he was bombed out. Tyson even openly stated he would be intimidated by Liston and would lose to him. Liston wasn't intimidated by anyone. Key Losses- Liston Liston only had 1 legit loss since both his fights with Ali were fixed, and the martin ko was when he was a very old man. And his only legit loss was avenged twice. He was laughing and Marshall took this oppurtinity to punch him in the mouth, breaking his jaw in the process. Tyson only had 3 legit losses, the other 2 losses happened when he was ultra washed up and had no buisness being in the ring. Buster Douglas was 63 with an 83 reach that gave Tyson major trouble. Douglas also troubled Tyson with his jab. Lennox Lewis was 65 with an 84 reach that dominated Mike Tyson. Evander Holyfield was 62 with a 78 reach that kept Tyson at bay. Liston was also taller than Mike and had an 84 inch reach. Jabs troubled Tyson. Also none of those 3 men had jabs on the same league as Liston. Stamina-Liston. Liston went the distance when he seldom needed to. Liston seemed to have endless energy against Whitehurt throwing as many punches as Marciano. Tyson was a power fighter who only had 18 fights (32 percent) go past the fourth round. Tyson fans will point to his devastating punching power as the main driver behind this statistic. In his documentary, Mike Tyson provides contradictory information that no fan can deny. Tyson says, I had a lung problem, thats why my fights didnt last long. 48 or 85 percent of Alis fights went past the fourth round with the majority of them going the distance. Tysons power and suspect lungs kept him out of long fights, but his lack of endurance was apparent in fights that went long. Tyson lost six fights; five of those losses came after the fourth round. Pre Clay Liston knocks Tyson out. The Clay-Liston fights were not fixed either, Clay just broke Liston mentally IMO. He couldn’t believe a man would show him such disdain in the build up and when Clay backed it up in the ring Liston completely fell apart.

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elroy said it perfect just like sammy slow and easy to read and trolls like ray and abdel acted blind to seeing him say the facts and still said son wins people here are so crazy the truth hurts