If Al Haymon is so bad.....

I have never hated anyone more in this sport than al Haymon. what he does has been completely unique. he's a smooth criminal. i thnk we're going to get a much better idea of what al haymon does, and how he operates in the coming years. all i know is that he gets fighters on TV for big money and against less than palatable opposition. he's also evidently a genius with money, contracts, and management. i think don king was more of a bad guy, and perhaps more damaging to the sport. i don't think it can be argued that he wasn't more damaging to his fighters. king's exploits are well documented. his real heyday was far before my time. i was in grade school or younger when he was with mike tyson, obviously wasn't alive for the thrilla in manilla, etc. i've met don king. i worked a fight that he was promoting. i've never been in a room with anybody like that. it was like the man had no soul, and intended only to use words and mannerisms manipulate people. you could feel it. he's a true conman. i don't think he could turn it off if he tried. it felt like a robot was talking to you. he was also the best talker i've ever heard. he's tall, very big, and 100% larger than life. he's a gifted, evil dude.

I dont know Haymon and dont see anything he is doing wrong. Fans will continue to complain about everything

I have never hated anyone more in this sport than al Haymon.

How is it awful? You're basically saying consumers should just shut up and stop complaining and just accept whatever crap Haymon comes up with. Never said such thing, my comment was about fighters IN GENERAL, not just guys who work with Haymon. Fighters have the right to try and make the most money possible for themselves and of course fans have the right not to support something they don't like it is nothing wrong with that at all. Reason why I say the Comparison is "AWFUL" is simply because BOXING IS A SPORT, Sports we watch for ENTERTAINMENT VALUE! Watching Boxing is not a Necessity.

This is expected of fans and boxers as well as other professional athletes, movie stars and rock stars. They know that their success is owed to their public. The public has every right to the demand what they want otherwise this would be a communist country. That's what I was saying. A simple concept some people can't grasp just because they're a fan of this pu55y boxer.

lol at the flowmoes defending al haymon because of their love for floyd mayweather, and then acting like they aren't defending al haymon because of their love for floyd mayweather. you're not fooling anybody. give it a rest. First thing that came to my mind as well, lol. Too obvious.

That is a AWFUL Comparison... How is it awful? You're basically saying consumers should just shut up and stop complaining and just accept whatever crap Haymon comes up with.

lol at the flowmoes defending al haymon because of their love for floyd mayweather, and then acting like they aren't defending al haymon because of their love for floyd mayweather. you're not fooling anybody. give it a rest.

Not about worrying what the fighters make for me at least, I just understand and respect the fact that these guys MUST make the most money they can make WHILE they're able to make it because boxing is a brutal sport. They don't have a union that will look out for them when they can't box anymore, they don't get a pension for working for a League for a certain amount of years. God forbid if some of these guys end up like Magomed Abdusalamov and could no longer box anymore, many of them and their families would be a in serious trouble financially. Fans are extremely selfish and they make it all about WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE and sometimes they forget about the fighters and they're needs. You see $1 Million and think OK that is enough for the fighter now go fight, but you gotta understand, out of that $1 Million the Manager gets his cut and the fighter have to pay Trainers and everybody else. Fans have become extremely inconsiderate and disrespectful towards fighters to the point in which fans think they OWN FIGHTERS and can tell them how much they should get and how they should fight in the ring. Yes right now Haymon is giving us sh1t fights I agree with that and I don't like it either but lets see how it plays out. I doubt the plan is to just sign all these fighters to match them up against Below Average fighters for big Paydays, I'm sure once his plan is in place (what ever that is) then he will have no problem matching them up. To be honest, most of the fighters he has signed as of late was throw into the fire immediately against Solid Opponents This 100%. Then add to the fact that there will be a time when they can't step into the ring anymore and make money. What are they going to do? They spent a lifetime developing a specific skill. Many of them didn't go to college, don't have another skill(s) where they can make six figures, etc. So the money they make from boxing is as good as it gets. They have to plan for retirement while fighting! And let's not forget TAX that gets taken out of their purses.

Dude, you might as well tell that to millions of consumers who buy products, then make negative reviews on many of those products. At the end of the day, you and I benefit from those reviews as well as manufacturers. And dude, these are grown up men you're defending. They expect to be criticized. You sound like you're their father. That is a AWFUL Comparison and I'm really not defending anybody I'm just expression that I UNDERSTAND why fighters jump to Haymon...FOR THE MONEY! Like I previously posted, these guys are not protected. Promoters don't have pension plans for their fighters and HBO, Showtime are not providing that either. So I'm just saying, I understand 100% if a fighter holds out for the most money possible or what the network to pay them appropriately for a big fight that THE NETWORK will benefit from. Of course I want to see the best fight the best, and maybe to do that in the future maybe it is wise to try and get all of them under ONE BRAND so in the future when it comes time to do big match ups you won't have to worry about Networks and Promoters not wanting to work with each other.

Fans have become extremely inconsiderate and disrespectful towards fighters to the point in which fans think they OWN FIGHTERS and can tell them how much they should get and how they should fight in the ring. Dude, you might as well tell that to millions of consumers who buy products, then make negative reviews on many of those products. At the end of the day, you and I benefit from those reviews as well as manufacturers. And dude, these are grown up men you're defending. They expect to be criticized. You sound like you're their father.

This is expected of fans and boxers as well as other professional athletes, movie stars and rock stars. They know that their success is owed to their public. The public has every right to the demand what they want otherwise this would be a communist country.

Question is why, as a fan, would you have interest in how much money these fighters make? You're supposed to be concerned only in seeing good fights made. It's understandable if you're a fighter. If you're just a fan and defend mismatches, then you might as well get yourself employed somewhere in the business side of it... Not about worrying what the fighters make for me at least, I just understand and respect the fact that these guys MUST make the most money they can make WHILE they're able to make it because boxing is a brutal sport. They don't have a union that will look out for them when they can't box anymore, they don't get a pension for working for a League for a certain amount of years. God forbid if some of these guys end up like Magomed Abdusalamov and could no longer box anymore, many of them and their families would be a in serious trouble financially. Fans are extremely selfish and they make it all about WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE and sometimes they forget about the fighters and they're needs. You see $1 Million and think OK that is enough for the fighter now go fight, but you gotta understand, out of that $1 Million the Manager gets his cut and the fighter have to pay Trainers and everybody else. Fans have become extremely inconsiderate and disrespectful towards fighters to the point in which fans think they OWN FIGHTERS and can tell them how much they should get and how they should fight in the ring. Yes right now Haymon is giving us sh1t fights I agree with that and I don't like it either but lets see how it plays out. I doubt the plan is to just sign all these fighters to match them up against Below Average fighters for big Paydays, I'm sure once his plan is in place (what ever that is) then he will have no problem matching them up. To be honest, most of the fighters he has signed as of late was throw into the fire immediately against Solid Opponents

Haymon definitely bad for boxing. He is turning the sport into "entertainment" only. Why? He prevent mandatory fights to happen by advising his fighters to vacant their titles with promises to get another title shot which he can control the outcome of the fight and in the process make a lot more money. This make the Titles meaningless/worthless. Less the name Champion because it no longer has the same meaning. How can any Haymon fighter be great if they cannot face another champion unless he belongs to Haymon. He promises everyone a fight with Floyd but they are told to keep quiet. When Floyd has his opponents already picked. It's a good thing boxers are making all this money but what is it doing for their credibility or for competitive professional boxing? It's all fixed by Haymon.

Question is why, as a fan, would you have interest in how much money these fighters make? You're supposed to be concerned only in seeing good fights made. It's understandable if you're a fighter. If you're just a fan and defend mismatches, then you might as well get yourself employed somewhere in the business side of it...

https://www.linkmypic.com/images/2014/07/29/money-animated-gif-113435.gif Simple Answer! MONEY! Haymon get his fighters TV Dates and a lot of Money, what fighter wouldn't want that? Most of his hate is for 1. He is linked to Mayweather, 2. Match Making! For Promoters, if their fighters contract is almost up, it is a good chance they will lose that fighter to Haymon if he comes calling and shows interest if your fighter. Fighter will follow the money trail, yeah they blow smoke and tell the fans what they want to hear with the "I LOVE THIS SPORT" "I FIGHT FOR PRIDE NOT MONEY" but behind closed doors they're all trying to make the most money possible and rightfully so!

No one who is actually a fan of the sport of boxing can defend Haymon. He is a disaster. It's hardly a coincidence that the only people defending him on this site are fanboys with a severe emotional attachment to a certain fighter. Nothing new. They are the YES people that aid to destroy the system. Haymon can pretty much get away with anything with these people.

Okay Haymon can get his guys a million, that's the ceiling it's all he can do and that's the issue. He's been in the game how long and his only draw was born from Top Rank and then fought Oscar. That isn't a good promoter, he's good at taking talent but he doesn't do sh*t with it. The offer from Top Rank was legit, it just involved Chavez signing an extension for 2 or 3 more fights. The 18 million dollar offer was more than fair and was very true, the only part that was an issue was the extension. Isn't this exactly what they do in sports? The NFL, NBA, MLB you are always offered more money if you sign for a long time, the only time you see one year deals is if a guy had a bad season or is injury prone. For some reason in boxing it means you're signing your life away... you're not. $18 million for 3 fights is about 1-2 years... that sounds A LOT better than $1 million a fight and only fighting once maybe twice a year under Haymon. Haymon technically isn't a Promoter though. For the most part, he's just been the man behind the scenes negotiating their deals. A lot of the fighters now signed to Haymon have only been with him for a couple years. It's only Mayweather, Berto, Williams, Garcia, Broner, and some others that were with Haymon for an extended number of years. All four of these guys made a lot of money and are now popular. As far as Chavez Jr. goes, see what Chavez Jr. say himself about it. http://www.boxingscene.com/chavez-jr-erupts-over-froch-ramirez-talks-golovkin--83286 "Nobody has discussed that fight with me. I have had no communication with Top Rank, they are lying," Chavez said. "Those are lies, lies, all lies. It is a strategy , nobody has offered me anything," said Chavez Jr. And also here is what Cotto had to say about Arum's claims, which ironically, were similar to what Chavez Jr is going through. Instead of $18 million, Arum claimed Cotto turned down $13 million. "Bob said he offered us $13 million, but he never came to us with that offer," Cotto said. "He always offered us the same guarantee he offered us in 2009, with the same benefits, and that's not fair. He offered the exact same amount of money. Of course it's a business, but all we want is fair business. You can say to Bob to tell me he made that offer to me to my face, and you will see his reaction." http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8464684/miguel-cotto-pride-prevented-manny-pacquiao-rematch-boxing

Newsflash -- every single one of them were under Haymon when they made those million dollar plus paydays! Every last one of them. Allegedly Chavez Jr. ran away from $18 million. But according to Chavez Jr, the alleged offers did NOT take place and are all lies. Even Cotto called Arum out in the past about fictitious offers and whatnot. So take from that what it's worth. You can argue about legacy and competitive match-ups all you want, but you cannot sit here and say that Haymon didn't get lots of fighters million dollar paydays. That is incorrect. It is a fact that he got lots of fighters million dollar paydays. Okay Haymon can get his guys a million, that's the ceiling it's all he can do and that's the issue. He's been in the game how long and his only draw was born from Top Rank and then fought Oscar. That isn't a good promoter, he's good at taking talent but he doesn't do sh*t with it. The offer from Top Rank was legit, it just involved Chavez signing an extension for 2 or 3 more fights. The 18 million dollar offer was more than fair and was very true, the only part that was an issue was the extension. Isn't this exactly what they do in sports? The NFL, NBA, MLB you are always offered more money if you sign for a long time, the only time you see one year deals is if a guy had a bad season or is injury prone. For some reason in boxing it means you're signing your life away... you're not. $18 million for 3 fights is about 1-2 years... that sounds A LOT better than $1 million a fight and only fighting once maybe twice a year under Haymon.

TBH, while I don't like what Haymon does I hold no issue with it, it's his job. I blame the networks who have accepted so many overpriced fights with Haymon fighters all these years and set the precedent. Very true. Ultimately it's Haymon's job to look out for his clients, but it's the networks job to look out for their subscribers. And they've failed badly.