Why are people so convinced Ward beats Golovking?

Ward has the skills to suppress GGG. Plus GGG is small as shxt. He's not housing guys at 68 like he is at 60. Maybe some, but not all of them, and definitely not the MAN at that division. Ward probably should move up pretty soon anyways when he gets back. (For the record, I really like BOTH Ward & Golovkin.)

Ward ain't no computer :pat: statement retracted

TS know sh1t about aboxing

IMO If Ward made it pass Abraham, i believe he can make it pass Golovkin

Brains and discipline. Ward will calculate what is needed to earn the win and then execute while simultaneously updating his calculations in real time as he adjusts his style to maintain control of the fight. Simple as. Ward ain't no computer :pat:

Brains and discipline. Ward will calculate what is needed to earn the win and then execute while simultaneously updating his calculations in real time as he adjusts his style to maintain control of the fight. Simple as.

They aren't convinced. Most of them don't even like Ward, he's just being used as a forum pawn. lol very true. Ward has like 2 fans on here, the rest are just trying to keep Golovkin away from their favourite fighters.

A better question is why are people so convinced that Khan beats Floyd.

at 160 I'd heavily favor GGG at 168 I'd say it's a 60/40 kind of fight for Ward lets be real here, GGG could easily make 154 Ward could fight at 175 easily, in fact has said he would have moved up already but Hunter wants him to stay at 168.

Okay, but what he does is simply something fighters have forgotten how to do over the years with the decline of inside fighting. It isn't the best inside fighting ever but it's proven very effective. Fighters love to clinch these days. Ward takes advantage of that by playing along with the clinch with one arm and beating on them with the other. He is really good at utilizing his free arm while neutralizing his opponent's. If fighters knew how to fight inside, Ward wouldn't be as effective doing that. I agree he does it sometimes, but I don't believe every clinch Ward initiates is purely for his offense on his inside game. Some of them I believe are simply to get himself out of any danger. I literally just watched the 1st 10 or so clinches in the Ward/Kessler fight that he initated, and 9/10 of them didn't involve any inside punching take place besides the occasional arm punch to the body (that every fighter does in clinches automatically), he just swooped in to grab him, walked him back a bit or to slow down the pace while the ref breaks them up. Many of them come when Kessler has ward backed up against the rope or is swinging, or when Ward has just finished a pot shot or short combination and doesn't want to potentially take anything in return. I do believe some fighters love to clinch and Ward is good at turning it around at them, but I don't think Kessler is one of these known clinchers. I mean if you headbutt the opposing fighter 3-5x somethings up.

Okay, but what he does is simply something fighters have forgotten how to do over the years with the decline of inside fighting. It isn't the best inside fighting ever but it's proven very effective. Fighters love to clinch these days. Ward takes advantage of that by playing along with the clinch with one arm and beating on them with the other. He is really good at utilizing his free arm while neutralizing his opponent's. If fighters knew how to fight inside, Ward wouldn't be as effective doing that. The problem is not many people understand the difference between holding and clinching, or which one is legal and which one isn't.

you euros are so ridiculous. euro bias. ward freaking destroyed your blue eyed heroes, and it hurts. I object to the use of the term 'euros'. It's offensive. We're Eurasian-Aboriginals, or Yurabbos for short. Also, you need to rewatch Ward-Kessler, Guglielmo. And don't keep leaving the room to stir your meatballs this time either.

i never said that they deserve equal blame. go through my posts. i'm saying that it takes two to clinch, and that kessler did his part. If you agree Ward deserves the majority of the blame why are you even arguing with me? Over the fact I believe it only takes one to initiate a clinch? Really? I said Ward is a good inside fighter, I prefer it when it doesn't involve holding a hitting. I also believe the Kessler fight is an example of 'spoiling' a fight and excessive clinching. Yes, a small portion of it can be blamed to kessler, as any fighter, but the majority Ward. And you blow up at me because of that? Whatever, man.

if you think ward doesn't try and keep his hands free inside primarly to work, you are biased. basically, you're biased. zero cred left, brih. next time i see you on bscene, i'll know what the deal is. curiously, are you a white european? Dude what are you even talking about holy sh1t? Are you on crack? Stop with your stupid generalizations, am I a white european? Why are being a stereotypical @sshole because I don't agree with your opinion? I don't care about credibility in regards to your opinion, you just came across as an absolute tw@t. If you can't have a discussion without resulting to 'hurr 'durr you're a white european biased' as a means to insult me, when I've not even remotely attempted to be disrespectful to you, then fck off.

Ok, so you think I'm seeing you as biased, but you're claiming if I don't agree Ward and Kessler deserve equal blame for the clinches in their fight I'm bias? Seems legit I guess... i never said that they deserve equal blame. go through my posts. i'm saying that it takes two to clinch, and that kessler did his part.

I dunno, holding and hitting, is that really so great? I have more respect and admiration for his inside game when it's simply close quarters uppercuts, head movement, you name it. Okay, but what he does is simply something fighters have forgotten how to do over the years with the decline of inside fighting. It isn't the best inside fighting ever but it's proven very effective. Fighters love to clinch these days. Ward takes advantage of that by playing along with the clinch with one arm and beating on them with the other. He is really good at utilizing his free arm while neutralizing his opponent's. If fighters knew how to fight inside, Ward wouldn't be as effective doing that.

size, footspeed, awkwardness and ability to spoil...

Ward will probably will never fight again. Ward will definitely never fight an elite fighter again Ward probably wouldn't last a few rounds against GGG now let alone beat him.

compared to other commentators? what? what commentator knows more about boxing, and explains it better than atlas? you're missing the point. i think you think i have some sort of ward bias. i do not. i play the part of a ward fanboy to rustle the feathers of racists, and eurocentrics. go through my posts on prince ward if you think that to be the case. you can endeavor keep your hands free, and kessler wasn't doing that by the end of the ward fight. at the very least, it makes it a hell of a lot harder on your opponent to clinch. in mo go watch the kessler fight again, an watch kessler slowly go from trying to fight inside, to going along with the clinches. you're either biased, or you'll see kessler going right along with the clinches, and even initiating some of his own. unless one fighter is outright stronger than another, he can't consistently tie a man up, the way you seem to think ward did with kessler. is ward so strong that he manhandled kessler to the degree that kessler could do nothing in the face of clinches? watch a klitschko fight, where klitschko has 20-30 lbs of muscle on his opponents. he's also tall enough to drape an arm over an opponent. ali used to pull guys' heads down. that's what it looks like to purely overpower somebody with a clinch. ward and kessler are the same size, and the clinches didn't have the same character. Ok, so you think I'm seeing you as biased, but you're claiming if I don't agree Ward and Kessler deserve equal blame for the clinches in their fight I'm bias? Seems legit I guess...

There's good arguments for both guys winning, as you eluded to, GGG has immense power and will probably carry it to 168lb, he has good speed and most impressively (something I've mentioned numerous times) he has special footwork. He knows ho to not only cut the ring but get the guy into the position GGG wants him to be in. Very few fighters with this type of power have that level of skill, possibly a prime Tyson, Pacquiao, at times Hearns. I'm not a GGG nuthugger, as most who have read my previous posts but I always maintain, GGG, in terms of the tools he has, could be a great fighter, he just needs the opponents now. Ward...well he is skilled, no doubt, quick hands but he lacks considerable power. He makes up for it with what some call "smarts" and what I like to call dirty fighting, clinching, elbows, head butts, forearms but hey, as long as the ref stays quite so what? LOL. Ward is also considerably bigger and his size works well with his style, we'll eventually get GGG tested for strength. Can he handle the fouls and the physical inside strength...heck Froch couldn't. This is a fight the fans should be calling for, who gives a **** who wins or loses, we the fans get a treat. you euros are so ridiculous. ward isn't smart, only dirty? there is no degree of intellect? that's what you're arguing? euro bias. ward freaking destroyed your blue eyed heroes, and it hurts.