Did the second Cotto Margarito fight prove Margarito simply had Cotto's number?

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cotto was exhausted, his form was becoming very sloppy, he was falling into margarito everytime he threw a punch. yes he was still hitting margarito but thats easy. the difference was margarito was starting to hit cotto back and with 3 rounds left...didn't look good for him. that's when super doctor came in to save the day. then that pathetic staredown after the doctor saved him...

Its not even debatable, Margarito was coming on before it was stopped. Pac won that fight for Cotto Why not debatable? What I saw was a brickless journeyman get toyed with til the ref showed mercy and saved him.

Its not even debatable, Margarito was coming on before it was stopped. Pac won that fight for Cotto

That's a good point. Maybe the trainers had a bigger role. Pedro is a great trainer for certain fighters. I thought the did a great job with Rigo and Solis. But I'm not sure he was ever a good pick for Cotto. Cotto has looked a lot better with Freddie than he ever did with Pedro. Perhaps Freddie would have lead him to a more convincing victory over Margarito. But Margarito's pressure is something that will always trouble someone like Cotto imo. I think Roach would have been a disaster for Cotto when it comes to Margarito. It was over-confidence in his own offensive capability that ruined him in that fight. Had he boxed more conservatively he might just have pulled it off. To me, Roach is still unproven as a good fit for Cotto. I rate the performance produced under Diaz against Floyd higher than anything Cotto has done for Freddie. Delvin Rodriguez and a completely ruined Martinez do nothing for me. If he can go out and fight that aggressively against Canelo or a real middleweight, I'll buy the rejuvenation argument. But not beforehand.

It proved Margarito can't get it done without the bricks.

Cotto fight a very different fight under the tutelage of Pedro Diaz, and Tony was done, so I'm not sure the second fight really told us anything. The question I would have is what if Cotto fought like that first time round? What if he had exited the exchanges much quicker, and denied Margarito space for the uppercut on the inside? Would Cotto have been capable of pulling that gameplan off against that version of Margarito? I guess we'll never know and it doesn't matter really. Cotto got it badly wrong first time round and Tony got it right. No rematch could change that. That's a good point. Maybe the trainers had a bigger role. Pedro is a great trainer for certain fighters. I thought the did a great job with Rigo and Solis. But I'm not sure he was ever a good pick for Cotto. Cotto has looked a lot better with Freddie than he ever did with Pedro. Perhaps Freddie would have lead him to a more convincing victory over Margarito. But Margarito's pressure is something that will always trouble someone like Cotto imo.

Truth hurts homie, I actually like Cotto but I believe Margarito had his number.What the mexican had was bricks on his hands, literally...

Cotto fight a very different fight under the tutelage of Pedro Diaz, and Tony was done, so I'm not sure the second fight really told us anything. The question I would have is what if Cotto fought like that first time round? What if he had exited the exchanges much quicker, and denied Margarito space for the uppercut on the inside? Would Cotto have been capable of pulling that gameplan off against that version of Margarito? I guess we'll never know and it doesn't matter really. Cotto got it badly wrong first time round and Tony got it right. No rematch could change that.

I didn't accuse Margarito of using wraps in the first Cotto fight, but when he got caught before the Mosley fight I had some suspicion The 2nd fight was a chance for Cotto to follow the narrative that Margarito only beat him because of the wraps. He was a favorite, he was supposed to go in and batter Margarito who was coming off the Pac loss and eye surgery. Honestly I didn't see that. I thought as shot as Margarito was, that he was starting to break Cotto down again slowly. I didn't agree with the stoppage at all. Let Margarito fight to the end. After the fight, as bad as Margarito's face looked I thought Cotto's face really told the whole story. He got lit up by a totally shot Margarito. At the end I think Margarito just had his number.

It was a bad stoppage but that fight didn't really prove anything about either fighter

this is what i dont get. garcia and margarito said that was their best round. but cotto stood in front of margarito, pushed him back and cracked him with bombs. still i would have loved for the fight to continue and give fans a proper conclusion

Round 9 was very much a Cotto round. He stood with Margarito and cracked him with some terrific power shots. Margs got his ass beat all fight.

this is one of the dumbest myths floating around here...cotto won the last round (and all the others). margarito showed NOTHING in the entire fight that should lead anyone to believe he was making a comeback.

Nope because he got dominated the first half of the first fight, and got dominated in the second fight... margarito was simply an ordinary fighter and shane proved that!

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I disagree with your first sentence, Cotto was in control all the way through. He even started pushing Margarito against the ropes at the later stages. HOWEVER, I would have loved to see that fight go until the 12th round. It would have also been interesting to see ROACH version of Cotto against Margarito. ''ROACH version'' :lol1: Is the ROACH VERSION of Cotto like the new ROBERT GARCIA VERSION of Maidana on Boxingscene?

Bait thread but I will reply either way......EASILY! Misread, my bad. Cotto just had a much better game plan for the second fight. If he would of fought with the same mistakes, it would of been a repeat of the first fight. Just didn't agree with the early stoppage. Specially since spending money in going to see it live.

Cotto made him his dog in the second fight. manny said"you're welcome bahdi"

Cotto made him his dog in the second fight.