Al Haymon's Contracts

So it's okay for a slick College educated grad to take advantage over naive uneducated boxers ? How difficult is it to understand? Clearly states you have no say in your own career. Problem is fighters see the money offered as a signing bonus or think oh Floyd getting payed so I will too and thats it. Short term thinking, I have no sympathy for these guys who signed. However the way boxing is today the alternate choice is even if you dont sign, earn your shot and move up based on skill, guys like Haymon have too much control and they block a purse bid so you never get your shot.

unless you agree with certain posters-posters like this say you are defending. what exactly did I defend-oh yeah I responded to your point about Thurman and didn't agree with it. Dude, you had an Al Hymen avi for the longest time. Oh yeah, you're a fanboy.:lol1:

The Big Cunt defending uncle Al is priceless. It's hilarious a boxing avisor/manager actually has fanboys I'm starting to think that the big dumb is a bigger fan of Al the tranny than he is of boxing....sorry, floyd(we know Dung isnt a boxing fan). The little queer even had said tranny as his avi for the longest time. It doesnt get much more toecurlingly embarrassing than that!:lol1:

LMAO....I told all of you dudes what was up with Hymen, the guy is bad news. You might sit on the shelf for 2 years waiting to get a fight under the provisions of that contract. You might not even get paid if he doesn't see fit to pay you, likely some small font language hidden the the back of the 40 page document.

Wow. That's messed up how is this bad breath looking boy looking out for the interest of wilder and peter when he turned them away from 2mil and 1.4 mil

How does boxing work in lines with the Ali act? Does a manager need a license the same way a promoter needs a license? Is Al Haymon a manager or strictly an adviser? If he's been getting away with skirting the law and playing a role in both the promotion and management, would this clause in the contract prove he holds more than an advisers role? I'm just guessing here, but if he's not licensed, his contracts would be private, and unless someone was disgruntled and went to an authority, there would be no way to investigate. Haymon is a licensed manager. Where the legal stuff gets tricky is because he hAs so much control over networks and promoters, that he basically works hand and hand with them for his own benefit. The problem with this is the manager is expected to represent ONLY the fighters best interest. His job is to make sure promoters and networks aren't taking advantage of them. But if Haymon is basically controlling the promoter and network, that may not be the case. Especially when you consider how richard Schaefer was basically handing him his entire roster of fighters. Many of his figures have 0 promotional contract. But in the open market a lot of them would make major signing bonuses with a company like top rank. But Haymon won't allow it, so question remains, is he representing his fighters interest, or his own and other peoples interest?

How does boxing work in lines with the Ali act? Does a manager need a license the same way a promoter needs a license? Is Al Haymon a manager or strictly an adviser? If he's been getting away with skirting the law and playing a role in both the promotion and management, would this clause in the contract prove he holds more than an advisers role? I'm just guessing here, but if he's not licensed, his contracts would be private, and unless someone was disgruntled and went to an authority, there would be no way to investigate. He has to have a license or the contract is void I would imagine, because it would make him a promoter. If he is an advisor, he can't speak on behalf of who his fighter can fight because that would qualify him as a promoter, either way what he is doing is probably illegal. I'm no lawyer but I imagine anyone can be investigated with or without a warrant it's the electronic age.

How does boxing work in lines with the Ali act? Does a manager need a license the same way a promoter needs a license? Is Al Haymon a manager or strictly an adviser? If he's been getting away with skirting the law and playing a role in both the promotion and management, would this clause in the contract prove he holds more than an advisers role? I'm just guessing here, but if he's not licensed, his contracts would be private, and unless someone was disgruntled and went to an authority, there would be no way to investigate.

Guerrero is a Mexican, but he's not a home grown Mexican like Canelo. And he didn't have a name for many years. His biggest buzz came from beating Berto. Now I'm not arguing whether or not Guerrero is more exciting than Lara. I'm only talking about popularity before Guerrero fought Floyd. Guerrero and Lara were pretty much in the same boat. Even if for sake of argument, Guerrero was more popular, it wasn't by much. Canelo to me isn't the draw like Pac and May. He's not doing millions on his own. Not even close. I'm not saying Canelo isn't a star. I think he is, but he isn't a PPV cash cow like that. I think in the future, after Pacquaio and May are gone, he'll be at that point. In all fairness, Mayweather and Pacquaio are not doing millions on their own either. Neither guy has cracked a million in a while without a very good B side. And unless they fight each other or pac vs Canelo or IMo Floyd vs GGG, neither will do a million again.

Haymon paid him $500k and promised him he'd get the same money for his next fight. Rafael has a blog on it. Is that really a good thing though? Long term, he could very well end up losing money. If he would've taken the 1.4 million and beat Korobov in November, a fight with Jacobs or Taylor could've been made for early next year where he'd probably get more than $500k to face either of them. After all, Garcia got like $800k to face Salka, so I'm assuming Haymon can get Quillin close to $1million for a fight with Jacobs or Taylor. But instead he's gonna sit on the sidelines for the rest of the year, get stripped of his belt, and wait for Haymon to get him an equal pay day months after he should've gotten it. I know these scenario's include a good amount of assumptions, but I don't think anything is a reach. It is very plausible that Quillin lost a good amount of money by listening to Haymon and not fighting Korobov.

Where do you come up with this BS? Guerrero is a Mexican and Floyd fights him on a Mexican holiday. Lara has so little mass appeal it's not even funny, he doesn't speak English something that both Guerrero and Bradley do. Cubans don't care about Cuban boxers and the boxing fans in general except for NSB don't care about Cuban professional boxers either. It's a sad reality but it is a reality. But even then Canelo does $350k with Lara on a day that wasn't a Mexican holiday. Just think of Floyd's numbers with Zab and this was a highly anticipated fight. To say Canelo can't draw and is being demoted is lunacy. Since when a figher gets 4 mil to fight on non pay per view a demotion? Canelo averages b/w 3 to 5 million on pay per views. So why do you think HBO offered him so much money to fight on Cable? Cause if they didn't he would've fought on pay per view, thus why! Guerrero is a Mexican, but he's not a home grown Mexican like Canelo. And he didn't have a name for many years. His biggest buzz came from beating Berto. Now I'm not arguing whether or not Guerrero is more exciting than Lara. I'm only talking about popularity before Guerrero fought Floyd. Guerrero and Lara were pretty much in the same boat. Even if for sake of argument, Guerrero was more popular, it wasn't by much. Canelo to me isn't the draw like Pac and May. He's not doing millions on his own. Not even close. I'm not saying Canelo isn't a star. I think he is, but he isn't a PPV cash cow like that. I think in the future, after Pacquaio and May are gone, he'll be at that point.

Just a year and a half ago Floyd did 2.2 million buys, now PPV is falling apart lol. No, people are tired of Floyds boring style and don't want to shell out a days work (for a lot of people) to watch a boring or one sided fight. If there is a compelling matchup people will pay it's that simple. Stop making assumptions on boxing because Floyd is doing sh*tty, you'll see on May 5. This isn't about Floyd. Get him out of your butthole. :nonono: It's about PPV numbers overall. These guys just aren't doing the numbers. "All the numbers boxing has been getting on pay-per-view have been terrible. It's not disappointing; it just is what it is. - Bob Arum And not just that, but boxing popularity is down. It gets sad when you mention boxing to casuals and they saw, I thought boxing was dead. :nonono:

to even compare bradley to lara ??? remember pac-rios numbers ?? guerrero(mexican) was coming of an important win vs berto, not a stinker at all, if lara is known for something is not for entertaining... both guerrero and bradley are bigger than lara as a draw... Today, Bradley and Guerrero are bigger in terms of popularity. But before they fought Pacquaio and Mayweather? They weren't draws, they weren't popular guys.

Put Haymon away for good, get us the matches we wanna see :smashfrea

I'm not saying that PPV sucks. I'm saying that the PPV numbers are falling apart. A lot less people are purchasing than before. The numbers show this clearly. That's why Canelo vs. Clottey was scheduled for regular TV instead of PPV. Fact. If Cotto fought in December, that fight too would have been on regular TV. Just a year and a half ago Floyd did 2.2 million buys, now PPV is falling apart lol. No, people are tired of Floyds boring style and don't want to shell out a days work (for a lot of people) to watch a boring or one sided fight. If there is a compelling matchup people will pay it's that simple. Stop making assumptions on boxing because Floyd is doing sh*tty, you'll see on May 5.

Come on man. When Pacquaio fought Bradley, Bradley was literally no more popular than Lara. When Mayweather fought Guerrero, Guerrero was literally no more popular than Lara. And they both still did good numbers. To casuals on the street, when you ask them to mention a current boxer today, the only people they can think of is Pacquaio and Mayweather. The rest of the boxers are nonexistent. F*cked up, but that's the scenario. to even compare bradley to lara ??? remember pac-rios numbers ?? guerrero(mexican) was coming of an important win vs berto, not a stinker at all, if lara is known for something is not for entertaining... both guerrero and bradley are bigger than lara as a draw...

They have been profiting because Canelo's purse is only 3-5 million. It's literally 90% less than what Floyd makes and gets about half the buy rate, that's called making money. You are complete tool, I mean truly uneducated type of tool. You are saying PPV sucks (Floyd is the highest paid athlete in the world) while saying NBC Sports is the way to go that's why Al is going back there... BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!! I'm done, you just went full retard. I'm not saying that PPV sucks. I'm saying that the PPV numbers are falling apart. A lot less people are purchasing than before. The numbers show this clearly. That's why Canelo vs. Clottey was scheduled for regular TV instead of PPV. Fact. If Cotto fought in December, that fight too would have been on regular TV. Also regular NBC Sports is not the way to go. I'm talking regular national TV, like an NFL game, NBA game, or college basketball on ABC, NBC, CBS.

That's the thing, they haven't been profiting much with Canelo's numbers. The networks haven't been profiting much with any of these guys numbers unless it's Pacquaio or Mayweather. The profits have been little, or at a loss. It's part of the reason why there is rumor of Haymon trying to get fighters on regular national TV. That was where the megastars of boxing used to be created. And that was a time when boxing's popularity was at it's highest. But over the years, the Promoters got greedy. Saw more profits with doing the PPV thing. But now that the PPV thing is falling apart, there's concern to make a change. They have been profiting because Canelo's purse is only 3-5 million. It's literally 90% less than what Floyd makes and gets about half the buy rate, that's called making money. You are complete tool, I mean truly uneducated type of tool. You are saying PPV sucks (Floyd is the highest paid athlete in the world) while saying NBC Sports is the way to go that's why Al is going back there... BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!! I'm done, you just went full retard.

That's the thing, they haven't been profiting much with Canelo's numbers. The networks haven't been profiting much with any of these guys numbers unless it's Pacquaio or Mayweather. The profits have been little, or at a loss. It's part of the reason why there is rumor of Haymon trying to get fighters on regular national TV. That was where the megastars of boxing used to be created. And that was a time when boxing's popularity was at it's highest. But over the years, the Promoters got greedy. Saw more profits with doing the PPV thing. But now that the PPV thing is falling apart, there's concern to make a change. sho made close to 10mil on canelo-angulo and that came from schaefers mouth, he did the break out for forbes, if you do that same break out on floyd and include the 32m offer + those super stacked mismatches on his undercard then is hard for sho to come with even numbers...

Dude in both fight that didn't get made - Top Rank made huge offers to Mikey and Chavez so they were almost official, it's just that there were rumours that Chavez and Mikey might've had Al Haymons in their ear and it's quite possible seeing how Quillin turned down 1.4 million, Wilder turning down money. So the point still stands that Arum has worked with other promoters, works and will continue working. I wasn't trying to say that Arum doesn't work with other Promoters. But generally, he keeps things in-house. He will work with other Promoters, sure. But usually, he'd rather keep it in-house unless he doesn't really have that option. It's just smart business.