Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s place among the modern greats

I don't know if the timing would have been right but Mayweather would have only made my list if he fought Kostya Tszyu, Mosley at 140 and several years before it actually happened and of course pacquiao. If he went 2-1 that would have been fine as well

I'm sorry, but the older generation of fighters are being overrated.

People take Doug Fischer seriously? lol

He's not an all time great fighter, to be that you have to fight the best and fear no one. He is on the other hand a great businessman, hugely successful in that field.

Rocky Marciano should be in the top 20 above Moore and Charles because he KOed both of them and they both weighed more than he did in those fights. Pound for pound he was better than they were and ruled as world heavyweight champ for years at 182 to188 pounds. It's true. What an utterly stupid and inane argument. Neither Charles or Moore were at their best at heavyweight, both peaking at 175 and after spending a bulk of their careers at 160. Charles and Moore's body of work >>>>>>> Marciano's.

Can't really argue with the list but to be honest most of these guys were fighting when I wasn't even born so it would be hard to put in context.

here is Doug Fischer's top 20 and link has his explanation and criteria Thoughts? http://******.craveonline.com/news/355849-commentary-floyd-mayweather-jr-s-place-among-the-modern-greats Second only to Pacquiao.

ok after watching mayweather-baldomir 2 can we drop floyd? he can't win a fight without a football field sized ring, pillow gloves, and a paid off ref. you forgot 2 of the three judges were on his payroll as well.

ok after watching mayweather-baldomir 2 can we drop floyd? he can't win a fight without a football field sized ring, pillow gloves, and a paid off ref.

Rocky Marciano should be in the top 20 above Moore and Charles because he KOed both of them and they both weighed more than he did in those fights. Pound for pound he was better than they were and ruled as world heavyweight champ for years at 182 to188 pounds. It's true.

Overall a pretty good list but the great Cuban fighter Napoles who fought out of Mexico and Los Angeles should be in the top 20 higher the Griffith since he beat the hell out of Griffith and I had a 2nd row seat for that. Napoles was a great boxer puncher. He was the best lightweight ever but the lightweight champions ducked him so he ruled the welterweights. was thinking the same thing as far as Napoles...he won the welterweight title and had a two good reigns and even fought hall of famer Monzon for the middleweight title where he was absolutely dwarfed. He was fairly small for welterweight but made up for it with great technique, smooth boxing skills, sharp punching and great head movement He was far more potent and dominant at 135 and 140 and had he got title shots there, IMO he would be rated higher ATG Imagine Napoles vs Ortiz, Laguna, Duran, Cervantez, and Nicolino Locche.....he'd put loses on most if not all of there ledgers....he was that good

Jim Gray just said Floyd is top 20 ATG easy...

Overall a pretty good list but the great Cuban fighter Napoles who fought out of Mexico and Los Angeles should be in the top 20 higher the Griffith since he beat the hell out of Griffith and I had a 2nd row seat for that. Napoles was a great boxer puncher. He was the best lightweight ever but the lightweight champions ducked him so he ruled the welterweights.

The fact that Floyd beat more guys with titles than say, Leonard did just means the titles are more plentiful and lame now. Floyd is great, but his best wins are....? Nowhere near as good as Leonard's, Duran's, etc. I mean...not even close. Not really Floyd's fault. Except for the Pacquaio thing which will follow Floy'd name around forever. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around for those two guys not fighting. Not sure why Floyd held the vote for Maidana/Khan if Khan weren't a viable opponent. Except to promote himself, which he is excellent at for sure. they have greater single wins but he has a better depth than both, won more lineal titles than both, defended his titles more than both, won more lineal title fights than both. We can argue era's all day but the fact of the matter is im just speaking facts, not my opinion....you cant pick and choose who fights in your era.

The fact that Floyd beat more guys with titles than say, Leonard did just means the titles are more plentiful and lame now. Floyd is great, but his best wins are....? Nowhere near as good as Leonard's, Duran's, etc. I mean...not even close. Not really Floyd's fault. Except for the Pacquaio thing which will follow Floy'd name around forever. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around for those two guys not fighting. Not sure why Floyd held the vote for Maidana/Khan if Khan weren't a viable opponent. Except to promote himself, which he is excellent at for sure. I said the real title....lineal titles....meaning one champion he beat more champions than Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Chavez, etc. its just a fact not saying anyone is better than the other he beat 10 people that were the man at some point in their career in their respective class that has nothing to do with the title trinkets or how many belts there are major title holders he defeated are like 18 or 19 and that's not even including guys that won the WBO title trinket. If you exclude the IBF he still has defeated over 15 title holders.

Maidana was actually ranked in the top ten....Sadly Khan was not therefore it made since regardless of Khan winning head to head years prior Oscar was past prime and still had some of the fastest hands at 154 just as Mayweather is past prime and he does at the current time at 147 and 154 In 46 fights the lineal champions he defeated were Genaro Hernandez, Baldomir, Castillo, Mosley, ODLH, Judah, Cotto, Marquez, Corrales, and Ricky Hatton ....a total of ten across 5 weight classes I may add that's not even including good fighters like Canelo and other titlists that's nothing to sneeze at with just 46 fights when guys with over a hundred fights haven't beaten 5 world champions let alone ten.....that's more than Archie Moore, Duran, Julio Cesar Chavez, Leonard, Holyfield, Charles, Willie Pep, Ike Williams, Carlos Ortiz, Hopkins etc. I agree there are fighters he could have fought like TSZYU and Pacquaio but he has a lot of quality in just 46 fights The fact that Floyd beat more guys with titles than say, Leonard did just means the titles are more plentiful and lame now. Floyd is great, but his best wins are....? Nowhere near as good as Leonard's, Duran's, etc. I mean...not even close. Not really Floyd's fault. Except for the Pacquaio thing which will follow Floy'd name around forever. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around for those two guys not fighting. Not sure why Floyd held the vote for Maidana/Khan if Khan weren't a viable opponent. Except to promote himself, which he is excellent at for sure.

Floyd quit the sport for 2 years, and came back to fight a blown up LW. That puts a stain on his career.

I wish Floyd never quit the sport for 2 years. me too....he made up for it though because Cotto was one of the proposed opponents, but his team didn't think he was ready. Mosley was as well There are some that wanted to see him fight Margarito and/or Williams but before and after his retirement he has defeated better more accomplished fighters. I honestly think he did it because of nagging injuries and didn't want coming in the ring at 80% being an excuse of a loss or bad showing. He knows his body better than we do

I wish Floyd never quit the sport for 2 years.

Hold up. I said I'd include Floyd in the top 20. One example (of cherry picking plodders over speedsters) would be picking Maidana over Khan, even though fans preferred that he fight the latter. As for "title fights" and "champions" these days...who isn't? Oscar had fast hands in his prime. But he was past it against Floyd. Anyway, I'd still put Floyd in the top 20 list...well, at least in front of Holyfield or Hopkins. Maidana was actually ranked in the top ten....Sadly Khan was not therefore it made since regardless of Khan winning head to head years prior Oscar was past prime and still had some of the fastest hands at 154 just as Mayweather is past prime and he does at the current time at 147 and 154 In 46 fights the lineal champions he defeated were Genaro Hernandez, Baldomir, Castillo, Mosley, ODLH, Judah, Cotto, Marquez, Corrales, and Ricky Hatton ....a total of ten across 5 weight classes I may add that's not even including good fighters like Canelo and other titlists that's nothing to sneeze at with just 46 fights when guys with over a hundred fights haven't beaten 5 world champions let alone ten.....that's more than Archie Moore, Duran, Julio Cesar Chavez, Leonard, Holyfield, Charles, Willie Pep, Ike Williams, Carlos Ortiz, Hopkins etc. I agree there are fighters he could have fought like TSZYU and Pacquaio but he has a lot of quality in just 46 fights