a journalist. typical. gets on his bully pulpit railing against people who are the ones risking their lives because you were inferior physically and couldnt make it as one.
you proved it was dangerous?
lmfaaoooo
so is eating too much red meat. so is smoking tobacco. we should ban those things as well.
lmfaaoo at your simplistic idiotic logic. "it makes them more aggressive" yea because we wouldnt want that in boxing do we?
:lol1:
GTFO moron.
:lol1: I was an amateur boxer for 7-8 years.
And yes, tobacco should absolutely be banned - at least if you want to be consistent with the majority of other laws banning people from using recreational drugs.
You obviously don't see the point. Let's leave it here.
You are fully allowed to believe PEDs is good for sport.
I proved that it's dangerous, it makes a guy stronger, helps him absorb more punishment, more reckless, more aggressive.
It's clearly not a tool that would benefit the sport of boxing.
I'm an NCTJ certified journalist.
I'm thwoing personal attacks? :lol1:
a journalist. typical. gets on his bully pulpit railing against people who are the ones risking their lives because you were inferior physically and couldnt make it as one.
you proved it was dangerous?
lmfaaoooo
so is eating too much red meat. so is smoking tobacco. we should ban those things as well.
lmfaaoo at your simplistic idiotic logic. "it makes them more aggressive" yea because we wouldnt want that in boxing do we?
:lol1:
GTFO moron.
Why all the crying? The fights on. Both guys are being tested. Who cares what Porters dad has to say. He looks to me like another one of those dad's living through his son. We've all heard this type of crap before. It doesn't matter he's not the one getting in the ring. Is there anything you guys won't complain about?
Because he's shady as hell, and I wouldn't like to see my countrymen go in against roided up opposition.
As if the opponent, the venue, the crooked judges, the politics, Haymon, Golden Boy and all the rest isn't enough - his opponents is also on PEDs?
PEDtime Porter can take all the vitamins he wants, it's not going to matter when he's being consistently rammed in the face with the hardest, most accurate jab that he's ever come up against. No feather-fisted, physically inept, back-foot boxers to bully and manhandle here.
This is young Ezekiel's fight to lose.
Why all the crying? The fights on. Both guys are being tested. Who cares what Porters dad has to say. He looks to me like another one of those dad's living through his son. We've all heard this type of crap before. It doesn't matter he's not the one getting in the ring. Is there anything you guys won't complain about?
what did you prove with that post?
not a god damn thing.
& no, im not a cashier at walmart. im a pharmaceutical buyer for hospitals.
what do you do for a living?
I proved that it's dangerous, it makes a guy stronger, helps him absorb more punishment, more reckless, more aggressive.
It's clearly not a tool that would benefit the sport of boxing.
I'm a journalist.
more personal attacks instead of addressing the topic at hand.
like i said, bow out and take your fake mindless outrage and GTFO.
I'm throwing personal attacks? :lol1:
Dude, you are so off it it's insane.
What you're saying is contradicting as well :lol1:
No you're not.
more personal attacks instead of addressing the topic at hand.
like i said, bow out and take your fake mindless outrage and GTFO.
Question to Dr Ronald Kamm, specialist in performance enhancing drugs and advisor to VADA:
If you***8217;re a fighter***8212;let***8217;s take this over to boxing for example***8212;in your medical opinion, what specifically is taking testosterone going to help you do in the sport of boxing?
Dr. Ronald Kamm: "It makes you stronger. You have faster recovery from injury. In a fight, if you were hit you might recover faster than if you weren***8217;t on steroids. I think Khan was surprised that Peterson had the recuperative powers he did in their first fight. It also raises the boxer***8217;s level of confidence, and his appetite for risk. That***8217;s where it***8217;s particularly scary, because it makes you more aggressive. Of course fighters are aggressive, but it***8217;s supposed to be controlled aggression, which the referee tries to oversee and encourage. Then there***8217;s aggressiveness to the point of going over the line. That is hitting the opponent low, or really continuing to hit an opponent when the ref***8217;s trying to stop it, or right off the break.
Obviously the extreme would be Mike Tyson biting Holyfield***8217;s ear. I***8217;m not saying Tyson was using steroids, but his behavior that night would be compatible with ***8220;roid rage,***8221; that kind of overreaction. So, really, fighters are in danger. You are taking your life in your hands when you go into the ring, and you are more or less hoping***8212;or expecting***8212;that, yes, the other fighter wants to win***8230;but he***8217;s not out to destroy you or your career. It***8217;s like what***8217;s going on with the NFL today with head injuries. You understand there***8217;s a risk. You understand you***8217;ll be tackled, but you***8217;re hoping that the other guy doesn***8217;t want to end your career.
But if you***8217;re in there with somebody who***8217;s hyped up on steroids, this guy won***8217;t necessarily care about your career or anything else. Interestingly, when I looked at Peterson***8217;s background, his father was in prison, the mother had personal issues***8212; and of course, a lot of fighters do come from troubled backgrounds. But having a family history of emotional problems or a family history of drug use does put an individual at more risk for steroid use and abuse."
The Tase on NSB, life-long keyboard warrior and cashier at walmart: "PEDs are the same as taking a pill against a headache."
what did you prove with that post?
not a god damn thing.
& no, im not a cashier at walmart. im a pharmaceutical buyer for hospitals.
what do you do for a living?
so you dont think quickly getting KTFO is less dangerous than constant beat down going a full 12 rounds?
bow out before you embarrass yourself even more. you're way out of your depth here.
and im in my early 30s btw.
Dude, you are so off it it's insane.
What you're saying is contradicting as well :lol1:
No you're not.
Question to Dr Ronald Kamm, specialist in performance enhancing drugs and advisor to VADA:
If you're a fighter let's take this over to boxing for exampl, in your medical opinion, what specifically is taking testosterone going to help you do in the sport of boxing?
Dr. Ronald Kamm: "It makes you stronger. You have faster recovery from injury. In a fight, if you were hit you might recover faster than if you weren't on steroids. I think Khan was surprised that Peterson had the recuperative powers he did in their first fight. It also raises the boxers level of confidence, and his appetite for risk. That's where it's particularly scary, because it makes you more aggressive. Of course fighters are aggressive, but it's supposed to be controlled aggression, which the referee tries to oversee and encourage. Then there's aggressiveness to the point of going over the line. That is hitting the opponent low, or really continuing to hit an opponent when the ref's trying to stop it, or right off the break.
Obviously the extreme would be Mike Tyson biting Holyfield's ear. I'm not saying Tyson was using steroids, but his behavior that night would be compatible with *roid rage* that kind of overreaction. So, really, fighters are in danger. You are taking your life in your hands when you go into the ring, and you are more or less hoping or expecting that, yes, the other fighter wants to win but he's not out to destroy you or your career. It's like what's going on with the NFL today with head injuries. You understand there's a risk. You understand you'll be tackled, but you're hoping that the other guy doesn't want to end your career.
But if you're in there with somebody who's hyped up on steroids, this guy won't necessarily care about your career or anything else. Interestingly, when I looked at Peterson's background, his father was in prison, the mother had personal issues and of course, a lot of fighters do come from troubled backgrounds. But having a family history of emotional problems or a family history of drug use does put an individual at more risk for steroid use and abuse."
The Tase on NSB, life-long keyboard warrior and cashier at walmart: "PEDs are the same as taking a pill against a headache."
This was some of the dumbest crap I've ever read. Ever.
Let them all take PEDs so fighters don't have to endure 12 round fights :lol1:
I do guess you're below 21 years old. Don't even try and tell me you're not.
so you dont think quickly getting KTFO is less dangerous than constant beat down going a full 12 rounds?
bow out before you embarrass yourself even more. you're way out of your depth here.
and im in my early 30s btw.
based on all your posts in this subject, you dont have much common sense.
Improved stamina allows you to evade punches, it allows you to throw punches so that less punches come back at you. Improved strength can allow you end fights quickly which is less dangerous than continuously pounding on a man for 12 rounds which is inherently more dangerous.
What's your argument now? that its not natural? lifting weights isnt natural. we should just ban them since according to your logic, it would increase a human's strength unnaturally.
what like lifting weights? lidocaine injections?
What like most supplements and some form of peds that are deemed legal by the governing body without any real medical justification?
Look at what you're railing at, athletes taking peds, the same athletes that are already allowed to take legal peds deemed ok by their governing bodies.
Nice common sense bro.
more stupidity.
because punching people in the face without peds isnt?
:lol1:
wtf are you talking about? the grocery store, cvs, wallgreens, walmart all sell over the counter peds.
are you sure you're not retarded?
well keep talking retarded and ill keep calling your retarded. I dont think i know better than you in this subject.
I KNOW I DO.
This was some of the dumbest crap I've ever read. Ever.
Let them all take PEDs so fighters don't have to endure 12 round fights :lol1:
I do guess you're below 21 years old. Don't even try and tell me you're not.
I don't know that it was - but I have what's called common sense. Now, that means I can put thoughts together in my head, the concludes quite clearly in the fact that if a fighter takes performance enhancing drugs, whether that would be strength hormones, injections, whatever - it could improve his stamina, strength, punching power, resistance etc beyond the natural.
based on all your posts in this subject, you dont have much common sense.
Improved stamina allows you to evade punches, it allows you to throw punches so that less punches come back at you. Improved strength can allow you end fights quickly which is less dangerous than continuously pounding on a man for 12 rounds which is inherently more dangerous.
What's your argument now? that its not natural? lifting weights isnt natural. we should just ban them since according to your logic, it would increase a human's strength unnaturally.
As if boxing wasn't already dangerous enough, if you add unnatural powers unto that - it COULD be extremely dangerous. I'm not sure what part of that doesn't get through to you, but I guess that's just you.
what like lifting weights? lidocaine injections?
What like most supplements and some form of peds that are deemed legal by the governing body without any real medical justification?
Look at what you're railing at, athletes taking peds, the same athletes that are already allowed to take legal peds deemed ok by their governing bodies.
Nice common sense bro.
You obviously think this is cycling. "PEDs are only helpful to make them last that extra 5%".
more stupidity.
Punching people in the face whilst on steroids is dangerous.
because punching people in the face without peds isnt?
:lol1:
I'm sure PEDs are just illegal for the sake of it, or because they haven't found a way to sell it in drugstores yet, right? Ever the cynic.
wtf are you talking about? the grocery store, cvs, wallgreens, walmart all sell over the counter peds.
are you sure you're not retarded?
Anyway, keep calling me retarded - Whatever makes you think you know better.
well keep talking retarded and ill keep calling your retarded. I dont think i know better than you in this subject.
I KNOW I DO.
and how the hell do you know it was because of peds that all those fighters got killed? the mcclellann situation i already addressed.
almost. this is boxing. where people punch other people for a living.
as i said before, you are extremely retarded. peds are medication. it is used by athletes to better themselves so they can do their jobs better. have you isolated a ped that was used to hurt people in boxing? yes there are many forms of peds, peds that can help a boxer survive and escape injury like increasing blood cells so they can increase their stamina and in turn not end up a sitting duck getting tagged and HURT. Peds like lidocaine so that floyd cannot feel pain and be able to defend himself.
the fact that you think i encourage it makes me believe you really are extremely retarded.
i dont encourage it, im just honest and realistic about it.
If you can use peds in other aspects of life to better yourselves, why cant athletes? they are the ones risking their lives to be better at their jobs and entertain you.
PED USE = HUMAN EVOLUTION
If you dont like to watch athletes who use peds, i suggest you stop watching professional sports across the board because professional athletes havent been clean since the early 60s.
I don't know that it was - but I have what's called common sense. Now, that means I can put thoughts together in my head, the concludes quite clearly in the fact that if a fighter takes performance enhancing drugs, whether that would be strength hormones, injections, whatever - it could improve his stamina, strength, punching power, resistance etc beyond the natural. As if boxing wasn't already dangerous enough, if you add unnatural powers unto that - it COULD be extremely dangerous. I'm not sure what part of that doesn't get through to you, but I guess that's just you.
You obviously think this is cycling. "PEDs are only helpful to make them last that extra 5%".
Punching people in the face whilst on steroids is dangerous.
I'm sure PEDs are just illegal for the sake of it, or because they haven't found a way to sell it in drugstores yet, right? Ever the cynic.
Anyway, keep calling me retarded - Whatever makes you think you know better.
How the hell do you know? :lol1: Americans only recently started testing fighters and it's not mandatory and it's certainly not year round. And who's talking about death? Mike Perez and Mago is a recent example. Kovalev killed a man. Barry McGuigan killed a man. McClellan ended up badly.
and how the hell do you know it was because of peds that all those fighters got killed? the mcclellann situation i already addressed.
Were there any testing for these fights?alignaggi almost went into a coma following the Porter fight - was Porter tested? No he wasn't.
almost. this is boxing. where people punch other people for a living.
As I said, it is extremely retarded to compare every day medication to PEDs. Especially as we are in a combat sport. And you're talking as if PEDs are only hormon pills. There are many forms of it, maybe you should start looking for the crazy man on the bus, I don't think you'll find him.
as i said before, you are extremely retarded. peds are medication. it is used by athletes to better themselves so they can do their jobs better. have you isolated a ped that was used to hurt people in boxing? yes there are many forms of peds, peds that can help a boxer survive and escape injury like increasing blood cells so they can increase their stamina and in turn not end up a sitting duck getting tagged and HURT. Peds like lidocaine so that floyd cannot feel pain and be able to defend himself.
The fact that you encourage it, it seems, is even worse.
the fact that you think i encourage it makes me believe you really are extremely retarded.
i dont encourage it, im just honest and realistic about it.
If you can use peds in other aspects of life to better yourselves, why cant athletes? they are the ones risking their lives to be better at their jobs and entertain you.
PED USE = HUMAN EVOLUTION
If you dont like to watch athletes who use peds, i suggest you stop watching professional sports across the board because professional athletes havent been clean since the early 60s.
Kenny Porter is a complete idiot, I've said this from the start. He likes to talk as if he's the smartest man on earth, all the while contradicting himself constantly.
I also think it's strange to see how they're really religious and preaching gospel about being humble etc, but then Mr Porter goes full retard insulting Brook (and Mayweathers), meanwhile sounding completely spastic.
Is he worried? I don't know. He's probably lying about the PEDs though.
you're the one that is extremely retarded.
has there ever been a death because a boxer used peds?
stop being a brainwashed stupid sheep and realize peds are medication. you're only thinking one way, ooohhh he took peds he's gonna kill someone (never has happened that's a fact) instead of peds actually helping PROTECT FIGHTERS FROM SERIOUS INJURY.
you do realize athletes INCLUDING BOXERS are already allowed to take peds their governing body deem legal?
you do know this right?
spare me your fake outrage and fake moral high ground.
learn to use your fcking head and think for yourselves instead of joining in on the idiotic mob mentality.
How the hell do you know? :lol1: Americans only recently started testing fighters and it's not mandatory and it's certainly not year round. And who's talking about death? Mike Perez and Mago is a recent example. Kovalev killed a man. Barry McGuigan killed a man. McClellan ended up badly.
Were there any testing for these fights?alignaggi almost went into a coma following the Porter fight - was Porter tested? No he wasn't.
As I said, it is extremely retarded to compare every day medication to PEDs. Especially as we are in a combat sport. And you're talking as if PEDs are only hormon pills. There are many forms of it, maybe you should start looking for the crazy man on the bus, I don't think you'll find him.
The fact that you encourage it, it seems, is even worse.
After Nigel Benn rendered Gerald McClellan a vegetable there was no testing.... he was rumoured to have juiced for that fight.
nigel benn rendered mcclellan a vegetable because of a crooked ass referee that kept allowing benn to hit mcclellan behind the head.
blame nigel benn's rabbit punching and a crooked ass referee for not reprimanding and allowing the illegal punching for gman's situation, not rumored ped use.
get it together booty dew.
If you're truly CLEAN then taking any type of extra test should never be a issue. But again fan can't have these double standards, you want Porter to test but when other fighters turn down testing you say nothing.