Boxer vs MMA fighter in boxing

There is no MMA fighter in boxing. Once he trains for/enters a match under boxing rules, he's being a boxer. Sometimes people act like MMA fighter and boxer are genetic groups. "How would a baseball player do in the Navy?", uh, the same as anyone else I guess. I lol'd. :fing02:

:haha: the mma fighter got bodied. :haha: As Toney did when he got taken to the ground, out of your environment, it's much harder. lmfao. IK jsut checked his boxrec record and he didn't have another boxing match after that one. He learned he couldn't hang quick! Where is master01 to come defend his fighter? Oh I know, probably back at sherdog where he belongs.

Props to the mma guy for stepping in the ring but with that said... Wtf was he thinking ? The shuffling/switching of his stance ... Horrible ... Idk what the thought process must've been, "no one in boxing does this, he will never see it coming" lol... No one in boxing fights like that for a reason, ITS INEFFECTIVE !!!

I would imagine world wide, that there are just as many amateur boxers as there are wrestlers. The US maybe different, but World wide is another thing all together. You have a point, depending on the country for example I would wager that countrys like Cuba and maybe England have more amature boxers then wrestlers, but in the U.S for example almost every juinor high and high school have an amature wrestling program and the last few years I was an amature boxer I was a heavyweight and there were very few heavyweights or super heavys to match against so the number has to be close to 20 to 1 more westlers if not more that was one of the reasons I switched to wrestling when I hit high school (and I got sparked in my last boxing match is another reason, lol)

my point was amature wrestling was the equal to having an amature pedigre in boxing for MMA, which it is and to say that it is easier to compete and have success in a sport with a much larger talent pool is absurd. And then I debated the fact that am wrestling is easier to learn than boxing which is also absurd I would imagine world wide, that there are just as many amateur boxers as there are wrestlers. The US maybe different, but World wide is another thing all together.

In amateurs, I think it would be pretty close, but then even the elite wrestlers, where do they go from there? There is no lucrative pro circuit like in boxing that I know of, you may be right there may be more kids wrestling than kids boxing worldwide, but if we talk about amateur and pro of both, I think there are much more boxers, I don't think there is any money in true roman grecco wrestling, if you don't find a diff career, or go the mma or WWE route (lol) what else is there? I know karate/muay thai/judo/wrestling have professional competitions but since the 70's have any of them been relevant to the point of a viable career like boxing? If so, I didn't know about it. By viable career I mean they don't have to have a second job to meet their needs, btw. my point was amature wrestling was the equal to having an amature pedigre in boxing for MMA, which it is and to say that it is easier to compete and have success in a sport with a much larger talent pool is absurd. And then I debated the fact that am wrestling is easier to learn than boxing which is also absurd

Correct in what Point? While it is obvious that if you start to learn something as a child the better you will be as an adult, that is something i am not debating. I am debating the fact that he has stated that wrestling was easier to learn, which is absurd. the reason I deduce that I was not an olimpic level wrestler is because i did not start early enough. Edit: the talent pool in wrestling far outnumbers the talent pool in am boxing, so more kids wrestle than box and there is no debating that point so there are many more phenoms in wrestling then there are in boxing In amateurs, I think it would be pretty close, but then even the elite wrestlers, where do they go from there? There is no lucrative pro circuit like in boxing that I know of, you may be right there may be more kids wrestling than kids boxing worldwide, but if we talk about amateur and pro of both, I think there are much more boxers, I don't think there is any money in true roman grecco wrestling, if you don't find a diff career, or go the mma or WWE route (lol) what else is there? I know karate/muay thai/judo/wrestling have professional competitions but since the 70's have any of them been relevant to the point of a viable career like boxing? If so, I didn't know about it. By viable career I mean they don't have to have a second job to meet their needs, btw.

He's actually correct in what he says. Anything you learn as a child you absorb better and for longer in life without practice, but he is absolutely correct. I have been around wrestling in high school, self defense in the military has some mma tendencies so I had 6 years experience in that, and then of my own accord, I took wing chun for about a year, and I have been boxing for over 8 years as an AM, so I would say my experience and education are enough to have a vaild opinion on the subject. Another thing cuahtelmoc failed to mention is that mma as a sport is very new, the talent pool is just not that deep, it doesn't happen that fast. Boxing has been around for hundreds of years, we have more of a sample size and more history behind it. While mma derives from a combination of other arts, mma in iself is not the same thing, so the history of individual martial arts doesn't count as time that mma has been around as a sport. MMA is still largely being figured out, the opinion on the best arts to use or the most effective changes, I stopped watching years ago and I remember the methodologies changing every couple of years depending on who were champions and what not, boxing is much more mature in that we already have many of those answers, not to say things can't be discovered, but one has to take such things into consideration. Finally, I would like to add that amateur (or the equivalent of) wrestling is not the same as AM boxing, maybe from the persective of an mma trainer or fan, but certainly not from my perspective and from a boxers perspective, just like a minor leaguer isn't the same as a NCAA player. All else considered equal, I would dare to say that it's both easier to learn, and easier to compete in collegiate wrestling than it is AM boxing. Many, many people I know rose to a high level before turning 20 (state or nationals) in wrestling that didn't even start until 9th or 10th grade. If you progressed that fast and won national competitions in boxing you would be considered a phenom. Talent pools matter. Correct in what Point? While it is obvious that if you start to learn something as a child the better you will be as an adult, that is something i am not debating. I am debating the fact that he has stated that wrestling was easier to learn, which is absurd. the reason I deduce that I was not an olimpic level wrestler is because i did not start early enough. Edit: the talent pool in wrestling far outnumbers the talent pool in am boxing, so more kids wrestle than box and there is no debating that point so there are many more phenoms in wrestling then there are in boxing

Actually that is a matter of opinion one which is easier, it all dependes on your god given talent, saying wrestling is easier then boxing is like saying sprinting is easier that long distance runing which is absurd. I take it you have never wrestled before, which is obvious from your statement. I have done both and competed at a higher level at werstling only because of my good given strengths not because as a discipline wrestling is easier. And from your statement that wrestling is the more natural combat sport by instinct then it by nature should be harder to excell in, no? And that still does not address the fact that wrestling is the equal to an amature pedigree on boxing Edit: I am and always have been a boxing fan and watch every fight i can (my dad was a pro for a bit) and seldom do i watch amature wrestling unless i know the wrestlers but saying that boxing is the harder sport to learn is silly He's actually correct in what he says. Anything you learn as a child you absorb better and for longer in life without practice, but he is absolutely correct. I have been around wrestling in high school, self defense in the military has some mma tendencies so I had 6 years experience in that, and then of my own accord, I took wing chun for about a year, and I have been boxing for over 8 years as an AM, so I would say my experience and education are enough to have a vaild opinion on the subject. Another thing cuahtelmoc failed to mention is that mma as a sport is very new, the talent pool is just not that deep, it doesn't happen that fast. Boxing has been around for hundreds of years, we have more of a sample size and more history behind it. While mma derives from a combination of other arts, mma in iself is not the same thing, so the history of individual martial arts doesn't count as time that mma has been around as a sport. MMA is still largely being figured out, the opinion on the best arts to use or the most effective changes, I stopped watching years ago and I remember the methodologies changing every couple of years depending on who were champions and what not, boxing is much more mature in that we already have many of those answers, not to say things can't be discovered, but one has to take such things into consideration. Finally, I would like to add that amateur (or the equivalent of) wrestling is not the same as AM boxing, maybe from the persective of an mma trainer or fan, but certainly not from my perspective and from a boxers perspective, just like a minor leaguer isn't the same as a NCAA player. All else considered equal, I would dare to say that it's both easier to learn, and easier to compete in collegiate wrestling than it is AM boxing. Many, many people I know rose to a high level before turning 20 (state or nationals) in wrestling that didn't even start until 9th or 10th grade. If you progressed that fast and won national competitions in boxing you would be considered a phenom. Talent pools matter.

Wrestling is much easier to learn than boxing. I am around both sports constantly. I have a niece who is a national free style wrestling champ who actually just competed in Fargo nationals recently and I am also around boxers of all levels everyday from kids to pros. I can tell you that wrestling is a much more organic sport as our first reaction is to go to the ground in a fight. It is easier to pick up and learn. Boxing is like gymnastics wherein the younger you begin the better your chances are than if you started later on. You got guys in mma who just picked up a ground game and they don't need years to get to a competitive level to add to their arsenal. Boxing is counter instinctive and your natural reaction to a punch coming at you is totally different from how a boxer would and a person should react. Most people would over react to a punch coming at them. Among other things for example, boxers are taught to slip punches and make opponents miss by hair so they can counter. This is a counter instinctive reaction that has to be ingrained. Keeping a stance, keeping hands up while throwing, throwing fluid combinations, pivots, throwing technical punches, etc, etc. This is why I say it is easier for a boxer to go into mma than vice versa. If you could beat floyd mayweather, pacquiiao, cotto, canelo for a bigger payday why not then, its only punching right. That'l be the day Actually that is a matter of opinion one which is easier, it all dependes on your god given talent, saying wrestling is easier then boxing is like saying sprinting is easier that long distance runing which is absurd. I take it you have never wrestled before, which is obvious from your statement. I have done both and competed at a higher level at werstling only because of my good given strengths not because as a discipline wrestling is easier. And from your statement that wrestling is the more natural combat sport by instinct then it by nature should be harder to excell in, no? And that still does not address the fact that wrestling is the equal to an amature pedigree on boxing Edit: I am and always have been a boxing fan and watch every fight i can (my dad was a pro for a bit) and seldom do i watch amature wrestling unless i know the wrestlers but saying that boxing is the harder sport to learn is silly

But the wrestling background is almost the equal to having an amature pedigre in boxing since it is a base skill set (grappling) for MMA. so your point is moot. Wrestling is much easier to learn than boxing. I am around both sports constantly. I have a niece who is a national free style wrestling champ who actually just competed in Fargo nationals recently and I am also around boxers of all levels everyday from kids to pros. I can tell you that wrestling is a much more organic sport as our first reaction is to go to the ground in a fight. It is easier to pick up and learn. Boxing is like gymnastics wherein the younger you begin the better your chances are than if you started later on. You got guys in mma who just picked up a ground game and they don't need years to get to a competitive level to add to their arsenal. Boxing is counter instinctive and your natural reaction to a punch coming at you is totally different from how a boxer would and a person should react. Most people would over react to a punch coming at them. Among other things for example, boxers are taught to slip punches and make opponents miss by hair so they can counter. This is a counter instinctive reaction that has to be ingrained. Keeping a stance, keeping hands up while throwing, throwing fluid combinations, pivots, throwing technical punches, etc, etc. This is why I say it is easier for a boxer to go into mma than vice versa. If you could beat floyd mayweather, pacquiiao, cotto, canelo for a bigger payday why not then, its only punching right. That'l be the day

Lets see him come and try to win the belt from Klit, I bet he can't do that. If MMA fighters can be successful in boxing why not? Floyd makes 30-40 mil more than they do. Thing is you can't just walk into the sport of boxing. There are some exceptions but for the most part boxers have been training since childhood. In MMA you can be in your mid 20's come from a wrestling background and compete at the highest levels. Not so much in boxing. But the wrestling background is almost the equal to having an amature pedigre in boxing since it is a base skill set (grappling) for MMA. so your point is moot.

By the way, who else knew who the MMA fighter was right off the bat despite not knowing who both these guys are? Long hair, check, back tattoo check, big giveaway lmao. LOL true, those little ass shorts too.

Fake wrestling, but real athletes doe. Lets see him come and try to win the belt from Klit, I bet he can't do that. If MMA fighters can be successful in boxing why not? Floyd makes 30-40 mil more than they do. Thing is you can't just walk into the sport of boxing. There are some exceptions but for the most part boxers have been training since childhood. In MMA you can be in your mid 20's come from a wrestling background and compete at the highest levels. Not so much in boxing.

This exactly, two different sports. the funny thing is that most people who reply have never competed in any combat sport. I boxed as a kid, wrestled as a teenager and young adult and got my black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as a old man and compeated in all three. anyone who crosses over in the other discipline with out proper training will get owned, no question. Not to sound like Rockin....... BUT the truth is, this place is full of little kids who have never gotten in a ring in their entire life and because they watch boxing or mma, think that they know everything about the sport. Receiving one of those kicks, from a pro MMA fighter is nothing you want in your life. It will shatter the bone, it penetrates the muscle and you will feel pain that you never thought possible. I want no part of that, and believe me 100%of the tough guys in this place would pass out and die if kicked in the leg that way. Boxing is to be respected, as is MMA. It takes decades to learn either sport and you can't just switch over and think because you punch hard you will win something. You can at the lower levels like Mayorga has, but he will never beat a high level MMA fighter and vice versa. When I heard that KJ Nooons wanted to box Mayweather, I laughed. He's a pro boxer also BTW, he was undefeated in boxing and he would be killed by Mayweather. This debate, this argument and these fans are a fukin joke.

By the way, who else knew who the MMA fighter was right off the bat despite not knowing who both these guys are? Long hair, check, back tattoo check, big giveaway lmao.

Didnt Silva get ktfo in 2 by some guy he was supposed to beat? And I've seen footage of Ronda walking into left hooks over and over again :lol1: Supposedly he got KTFO in his 1st fight, he denies it though, but based on his 2nd fight against a midget he looked like utter ****, tried to do the ali shuffle and got hit lol.

If he does all those things he's no longer a boxer...lol Those things are not that easy and you are over simplifying it. A boxer at a lower level can learn those things and have some success...maybe. Just like I'm sure that mma fighter in the video can beat some low level boxers I'm sure. In the end though, if you want to talk about the higher level fighters in both sports, you cannot just join and think you can learn something in a few months or even a couple of years and think you can compete. You will get the living dog sh1t kicked out of you. This exactly, two different sports. the funny thing is that most people who reply have never competed in any combat sport. I boxed as a kid, wrestled as a teenager and young adult and got my black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as a old man and compeated in all three. anyone who crosses over in the other discipline with out proper training will get owned, no question.

Didnt Silva get ktfo in 2 by some guy he was supposed to beat? And I've seen footage of Ronda walking into left hooks over and over again :lol1: Hasnt manny been knocked out a few times by guys he was suppose to beat.. Unlike manny, silva actually fought everyone in his weight class.. remember guzman, zahir, floyd, but we fighting david diaz doe.... Why do you gotta be so ignorant, lil buddy

Didnt Silva get ktfo in 2 by some guy he was supposed to beat? And I've seen footage of Ronda walking into left hooks over and over again :lol1: