What's Your current p4p list and All time p4p list?

1-Ray Robinson 2-Greb 3-Armstrong 4-Pep 5-Charles 6-Duran 7-Fitzimmions 8-Gans 9-Ali 10-Wilde 11-Langford 12-Calzaghe 13-Benny Leonard 14-Joe Louis 15-Tunney 16-Archie Moore 17-Mickey Walker 18-Tony Canzoneri 19-Julio Cesar Chavez 20-Jimmy McLarnin Current 1-Floyd 2-Manny 3-Ward 4-Wlad 5-Rigo 6-Froch 7-Mikey Garcia 8-JMM 9-Danny Garcia 10-GGG Fitzsimmons over Ali...... Calzaghe over Louis and co... You're having a laugh right?

If Crawford beat Mikey Garcia, Beltran, or Vazquez, would he make it to your top 10 list? This question is for everyone. You can't tell me back to back wins over Burns, Gamboa, and one of those three wouldn't be impressive. Honestly I think he could be on some lists now.. He's beaten top guys, and a win over the guys you mentioned would surely make him lock on p4p lists

And GGG hasnt beat anyone to be considered top 10 P4P. Danny Garcia has a beater resume as a undefeated fighter. Only hype would have somebody rank Manny Pacquiao higher than Juan Manuel Marquez on a P4P list. Did you notice that Pacquiao was ranked higher than Marquez on everybody's list? I don't think that's due to hype. To most people Pacquiao looked like a better fighter in his last two fights than Marquez did in his last two fights. It's as simple as that.

If Crawford beat Mikey Garcia, Beltran, or Vazquez, would he make it to your top 10 list? This question is for everyone. You can't tell me back to back wins over Burns, Gamboa, and one of those three wouldn't be impressive.

1-Ray Robinson 2-Greb 3-Armstrong 4-Pep 5-Charles 6-Duran 7-Fitzimmions 8-Gans 9-Ali 10-Wilde 11-Langford 12-Calzaghe 13-Benny Leonard 14-Joe Louis 15-Tunney 16-Archie Moore 17-Mickey Walker 18-Tony Canzoneri 19-Julio Cesar Chavez 20-Jimmy McLarnin Current 1-Floyd 2-Manny 3-Ward 4-Wlad 5-Rigo 6-Froch 7-Mikey Garcia 8-JMM 9-Danny Garcia 10-GGG That's actually pure radium being sprayed on Calzaghe in your avatar. His opponent deserved a fair fight by making Super Joe Critically Ill and dying, but Joe being who he is beat Radium and then out of respect for his Opponent - Joe just slap-carried him to a wide UD defeat. Pure Legend, Isn't it? ATG, isn't it, Boyo?

Exactly why he isn't in mine. Great New York minds think alike!

1-Ray Robinson 2-Greb 3-Armstrong 4-Pep 5-Charles 6-Duran 7-Fitzimmions 8-Gans 9-Ali 10-Wilde 11-Langford 12-Calzaghe 13-Benny Leonard 14-Joe Louis 15-Tunney 16-Archie Moore 17-Mickey Walker 18-Tony Canzoneri 19-Julio Cesar Chavez 20-Jimmy McLarnin Current 1-Floyd 2-Manny 3-Ward 4-Wlad 5-Rigo 6-Froch 7-Mikey Garcia 8-JMM 9-Danny Garcia 10-GGG

Current 1 Floyd- still the best 2 ward- don't care about inactivity, he is still one of the best out there 3 rigo- has skills and style to fluster anyone 4- wlad - pure dominance 5 manny- still elite, slight edge over jmm 6 jmm- very close to manny but slightly behind 7 roman- best little guy in boxing today 8 mikey- has legit skills 9 ggg- best puncher in the game 10 cotto- seems reborn under roach All time 1 robinson 2 Ali 3 Armstrong 4 Ray Leonard 5 ezzard Charles 6 Harry greb 7 Sam Langford 8 Duran 9 Louis 10 hagler

Ward should get the boot from the pound for pound list unless he comes back real soon. And vs a good fighter. In the last two yrs, his only win is vs bum ass Edwin Rodriguez. Exactly why he isn't in mine.

Ward should get the boot from the pound for pound list unless he comes back real soon. And vs a good fighter. In the last two yrs, his only win is vs bum ass Edwin Rodriguez.

And GGG hasnt beat anyone to be considered top 10 P4P. Danny Garcia has a beater resume as a undefeated fighter. Personal pfp lists have nothing to do with who fighters have defeated or their resume. You have that mixed up with world ratings. Pound for pound lists are how good you THINK the fighter is not on actual accomplishments. So if I believe GGG can beat any middleweight in the world I can rank him #1 even if he has yet to beat the best middleweights.

I have Marciano as the greatest light heavyweight in history. He was the heavyweight champ but weight wise he was really a light heavyweight and could easily have fought at that weight. Heavyweights can weigh whatever they want. Unlike fighters in lower weight classes that have to make weight heavyweights don't strip down to their underwear and they eat and drink as much as they want on the day of the weigh in. Still Marciano usually weighed in the lower 180s for his title fights. He knocked out two of the best light heavyweight in history, Charles and Archie Moore and they both weighed more than he did in those fights.

And GGG hasnt beat anyone to be considered top 10 P4P. Danny Garcia has a beater resume as a undefeated fighter. true say, if GGG beats Geale and another top 10 MW this year and does so convincingly, then he gets into the top 10.

1. Mayweather 2. Ward 3. Rigo 4. Pac 5. Wlad 6. Bradley 7. JMM 8. Canelo 9. D. Garcia 10. Cotto

And GGG hasnt beat anyone to be considered top 10 P4P. Danny Garcia has a beater resume as a undefeated fighter.

Its hard with bradley, Paq & JMM. Bradley beat JMM, lost to pac. JMM KO Pac. its kinda tough how can u list one above the other...however Bradley should be ahead of JMM.

The other day I made a list but put it together rather quick now after having time to think it over my list is as follows: CURRENT P4P List: 1. Floyd 2. Ward (hope he's back soon) 3. Pac 4. Rigo 5. Bradley 6. JMM 7. Wlad 8. Cotto 9. GGG 10. Gonzalez/M. Garcia ( i think Danny Garcia should be in there bc Lineal 140 but his last fight was very questionable) ALL TIME P4P List: ( had to do 15 ) 1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Henry Armstrong 3. Muhammad Ali 4. Willie Pep 5. Joe Louis 6. Archie Moore 7. Jack Dempsey 8. Harry Greb 9. Julio Ceaser Chavez 10. Jack Johnson 11. Rocky Marciano ( regardless of his era not being tough he 49-0 and came back in many fights not to mention weighed 185 as HW champ) 12. Joe Gans 13. Marvin Hagler 14. Sugar Ray Leonard 15. Roberto Duran My top 10 all time: 1. Ray Robinson 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Willie Pep 4. Henry Armstrong 5. Benny Leonard 6. Roberto Duran 7. Joe Louis 8. Ezzard Charles 9. Ray Leonard 10. Julio Cesar Chavez My entire top 50 is here: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608842 As for the current top 10, it really is up for debate, floyd no. 1? by default imo. ward still on the list? no but some will have him. how high is manny? how high is bradley? how high is rigo? how high is wlad? all up for debate. do garcia, canelo, lara, hopkins deserve to be on there? stevenson and froch, where do they fit in? how about guys like uchiyama?

I have GGG #1 Rigo #2 Mayweather #3 Pacquiao #4 Wlad #5 Kovalev #6 Ward #7 Bradley #8 Canelo-Lara winner #9 Cotto #10 Marquez #11. I don't have an all time great pfp list but if I did I don't think Mayeather would quite make the top ten. I think there have probably been at least 10 boxers in history who were better pfp than Floyd.

Only hype would have somebody rank Manny Pacquiao higher than Juan Manuel Marquez on a P4P list.

All-Time: 1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Henry Armstrong 3. Harry Greb 4. Sam Langford 5. Joe Gans 6. Willie Pep 7. Benny Leonard 8. Ezzard Charles 9. Roberto Duran 10. Muhammad Ali 11. Bob Fitzsimmons 12. Mickey Walker 13. Archie Moore 14. Kid Gavilan 15. Barney Ross Current: 1. Floyd Mayweather 2. Guillermo Rigondeux 3. Manny Pacquiao 4. Timothy Bradley 5. Roman Gonzales 6. Juan Manuel Marquez 7. Leo Santa Cruz 8. Miguel Cotto 9. Wladimir Klitschko 10. Carl Froch