Martinez's knee were NOT hurt, the problem was..

atleast this is a more valid reason than the likes of say "cotto never even hurt martinez, martinez just didn't have any knee's, that's why he was wobbling after being hit"

Cotto is the best fighter Sergio has ever fought Did De La Hoya get demolished by Pacquiao because he was the best fighter he ever fought? That's literally the last time I've seen a combatant look as unfit to compete as Sergio did

They were not responding, not even there. Anybody who's played sports at high level (I did, basketball) would understand the difference between being hurt, and not responding (which was why his trainer stopped the bout). When you have bad knees... even if you might be able to plant your body weight on it, you can't push or get any force out of them wether its to jump, punch, push or pull. Martinez was shoot from round 12th of Chavez and Murray was paid off to not make him loose at home in front of his fans, hence why he eased up when Sergio was obviously done. Still, great win for Cotto's career, when people look at records they won't see any of the stuff I just mentioned. His fans will slobber all over this win and his haters will hate. But to say Cotto looked "Great" is an overstatement and that Martinez looked "Bad" is an understatement... the guy was dragging his feet during warm ups in the dressing room. I saw a Murray interview months after the fight. He was actually thankful that they didnt give the fight to him. No kidding, look it up. He was sure they would have linched him right there if he had won. I think they played in the monumental of River plater. You dont want to be an english boxer surrounded by thousands of angry Argentine soccer fans. Why Sergio accepted to fight like that is anyone's guess. Pride? most likely. Maybe? maybe. All I know is that I wish he had retired with the dignity the guy deserved after Chavez Jr.

The problem was Cotto kicked his asss :rofl: Approved by the KING.

Well in that case Cotto got exposed 5 times before this fight. Absolutely no defence against pacquiao and margarito. Hell he had no defense against Trout either or Ricardo Torres. true but he is a different fighter now with freddie

im happy martinez got exposed i been saying for years he has no defense Well in that case Cotto got exposed 5 times before this fight. Absolutely no defence against pacquiao and margarito. Hell he had no defense against Trout either or Ricardo Torres. I love how you're saying hes been exposed now that hes 40 years old and coming off career threatening knee surgeries.

im happy martinez got exposed i been saying for years he has no defense

Cotto was the highest skill caliber guy that serg had ever faced.. cotto is much better than williams, macklin, murray, pavlik in terms of boxing skill Exactly. Cotto is the best fighter Sergio has ever fought. Cotto did what he was supposed to do. Sergio was overrated and obviously not 100% The Cotto we saw last night outclasses any version of Sergio.

It was so obvious that his legs were providing no support. Martinez was scared to death to do anything that put pressure on them.

Cotto was the highest skill caliber guy that serg had ever faced.. cotto is much better than williams, macklin, murray, pavlik in terms of boxing skill

The problem was Cotto kicked his asss :rofl:

The problem was that he suffered a knee injury at his age. If he was in his mid 20's, his body would be able to recover much quicker, but at his age, the muscle atrophy around his legs wouldn't be recoverable. It's not only the knee, but the rehab that a older guy can't 100% go through like a young guy can to regain the muscles around the knee. Thus leading to weaker legs, and bad knees. I can almost guarantee you, his hamstring and supporting muscles are at 50% of what they used to be, and that's a huge deal if you're an elite athlete.

I understand the point being made, I think. There's a difference between not feeling able to push through the pain caused by an injury and finding that your body will not physically do what you want it to do. I think the latter is what Sergio experienced.

the problem was he had no knees. none.

I tore my ACL and had 3 surgeries and even after doing all the correct rehabilitation etc... I am unable to sprint, my left leg just cannot push off like my right leg can. If I try to sprint I look like an idiot, my leg just cannot do what my mind tells it to.

Your an expert cause you played high school basketball? Sure buddy. No, I played internationally. The assessment I made about knee injuries is based on experience, medical studies and common sense. Don't overthink the situation dumb ass, you're going to get a headache.

^this x10000

Your an expert cause you played high school basketball? Sure buddy.