Cotto is in his 3rd prime!

Remember after the manny fight cotto was "shot" and here we are 5 years later lol

Dude, seriously? He was already one of the hardest punchers of all time, but actually improved even more in his old age. This is basic reading comprehension. Good grief. You actually talk out of your fat ass.

Cotto's prior workouts throughout the years always struck me as a bit of lazy. Seemed to laid back during mitt work and even jump rope and speed bag. The fact that he probably now doesn't have to worry about weight at all and can just workout and eat and still be on weight is beneficial to him at this stage of life. Add to it the fact that Roach is famous for putting his fighters through more intense workouts/drills, Cotto has a new life in Boxing. Now he can have AB's and still weight 160, whereas before he would have to shrink and be dehydrated just to see a little bit of 6-pack action showing through. Thats all it was laziness. From his diet to his training etc and subsequently his stamina and quickness.

Foreman already had punching power. You can't gain something you already had. Even before his second career, he was known as a hard puncher. In his second career, Buffer even announced him as "One of the hardest HW punchers of all time". OK, watch one of prime Foreman's fights on YouTube. Count each time the announcer mentions Foreman's power. Dude, seriously? He was already one of the hardest punchers of all time, but actually improved even more in his old age. This is basic reading comprehension. Good grief.

Completely wrong. Foreman already had punching power. You can't gain something you already had. Even before his second career, he was known as a hard puncher. In his second career, Buffer even announced him as "One of the hardest HW punchers of all time". OK, watch one of prime Foreman's fights on YouTube. Count each time the announcer mentions Foreman's power.

Completely wrong. Make a thread with a poll. That is most ridiculous claim of 2014.

It's just your lack of comprehension, Foreman did NOT gain punching power. Yes, he did. Dumbest thing you could ever say & the only feasible way he could of gained punching power was to lose it which is the point that flew over your head. Completely wrong.

What is with you guys and your reading comprehension? Did I say he lost punching power? No. Learn how to read. It's just your lack of comprehension, Foreman did NOT gain punching power. Dumbest thing you could ever say & the only feasible way he could of gained punching power was to lose it which is the point that flew over your head.

Of course that's incorrect. That's also not what I said at all. Learn how to read. So you need to realise when you use the word shot it means the handspeed has deteriorated beyond a salvagable point, meaning you can't just go training to get it back. "Also, I didn't say he was shot because of one fight. Every performance after that fight " You still said he was shot though & that's the main point. Which means you are utterly wrong.....or that Cotto was never "shot" as I've always said.

Let's just make this simple, have I boxed before NO. Do i need to box to debate whether you can get back hand speed ? NO Once you hit a certain biological peak that's it, it's a natural progression or else it means you never really lost it properly to begin with. When you lose handspeed that's one aspect of being shot. "And you can absolutely gain hand speed because of a switch in a training regimen." You can gain handspeed with training but that's in direct correlation to your age cap which is always decreasing after a certain point. If what you say about regaining handspeed is true in the context you say, at the age of 80 I should BY YOUR ADMISSION be able to hit someone with the same speed as when I was 25 years old just by doing specific training ( absolutely incorrect). What you are talking about with regards to gaining handspeed has no relevance to being shot or not. Of course that's incorrect. That's also not what I said at all. Learn how to read.

Foreman never lost his power, you f*cktard. He always had it. Even during his second career, he was regarded as one of the hardest hitters ever. What is with you guys and your reading comprehension? Did I say he lost punching power? No. Learn how to read.

Foreman never lost his power, you f*cktard. He always had it. Even during his second career, he was regarded as one of the hardest hitters ever. This Plus power is always the last to go they say.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're being rude / curt here because you've been debating something similar to this in other threads. Read my post again. I never said he rediscovered reflexes because of a new trainer. You're talking about a fighter being physically shot, which is only one aspect of being a shot fighter. You're thinking of Roy Jones "shot." And you can absolutely gain hand speed because of a switch in a training regimen. Training for explosiveness, having confidence in your punches, lots of variables can affect this. I've actually boxed before. Have you? Let's just make this simple, have I boxed before NO. Do i need to box to debate whether you can get back hand speed ? NO Once you hit a certain biological peak that's it, it's a natural progression or else it means you never really lost it properly to begin with. When you lose handspeed that's one aspect of being shot. "And you can absolutely gain hand speed because of a switch in a training regimen." You can gain handspeed with training but that's in direct correlation to your age cap which is always decreasing after a certain point. If what you say about regaining handspeed is true in the context you say, at the age of 80 I should BY YOUR ADMISSION be able to hit someone with the same speed as when I was 25 years old just by doing specific training ( absolutely incorrect). What you are talking about with regards to gaining handspeed has no relevance to being shot or not.

We've seen fighters in the past enter a 2nd prime. Namely, George Foreman actually gained punching power and became world champion after beating Michael Moorer in his... what? Mid-50's? Foreman never lost his power, you f*cktard. He always had it. Even during his second career, he was regarded as one of the hardest hitters ever.

Cotto's prior workouts throughout the years always struck me as a bit of lazy. Seemed to laid back during mitt work and even jump rope and speed bag. The fact that he probably now doesn't have to worry about weight at all and can just workout and eat and still be on weight is beneficial to him at this stage of life. Add to it the fact that Roach is famous for putting his fighters through more intense workouts/drills, Cotto has a new life in Boxing. Now he can have AB's and still weight 160, whereas before he would have to shrink and be dehydrated just to see a little bit of 6-pack action showing through. Freddie's the guy who has really brought back Cotto's intensity and attack while polishing up the flaws we've seen over the years on top of it. Also, Gavin MacMillan who works with Freddie as the S&C coach for Cotto and Provodnikov, brings some unique training methods to the table. Short video below.

Huge Cotto fan here.. The question is.. Was Cotto that good last night or was Martinez that bad? The answer is probably somewhere in the middle. I am not going to proclaim Cotto P4P number one because of it. Cotto is a world class fighter and a Champion. He always brings his A game (except maybe against Trout) and a few times his A game was not enough. Future hall of famer who is rarely in a dull fight. But he will never be "great" just pretty damn good. Which is impressive in itself. An outstanding post!!!!:cool2: With emphasis on the highlighted.

Past his prime but still very good. What pisses me off is that he has a lost to Trout, he should go correct that at some point.

I can insult whoever I want, it wouldn't make my statement any less true. If you're a shot fighter aka Martinez, he has no chance of EVER being relevant again because his mobility won't allow barring an act of god on his knee. You don't just rediscover reflexes because you get a new trainer. Never heard anything more idiotic in my life. Killer instinct & confidence are unfortunately not indicators of a shot fighter. Being shot means there is no way you can ever recover what you lost. Punch resistance Reflexes Footspeed Handspeed Are good examples of this! All it shows is that you lack a grasp of perception when it comes to boxing. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're being rude / curt here because you've been debating something similar to this in other threads. Read my post again. I never said he rediscovered reflexes because of a new trainer. You're talking about a fighter being physically shot, which is only one aspect of being a shot fighter. You're thinking of Roy Jones "shot." And you can absolutely gain hand speed because of a switch in a training regimen. Training for explosiveness, having confidence in your punches, lots of variables can affect this. I've actually boxed before. Have you?

Intelligent people don't use insults in a debate, so there's that. Also, I didn't say he was shot because of one fight. Every performance after that fight at welterweight saw a decline in every asset he had prior. No killer instinct, no balance, no confidence, painfully slow hands. That's a shot fighter. I can insult whoever I want, it wouldn't make my statement any less true. If you're a shot fighter aka Martinez, he has no chance of EVER being relevant again because his mobility won't allow barring an act of god on his knee. You don't just rediscover reflexes because you get a new trainer. Never heard anything more idiotic in my life. Killer instinct & confidence are unfortunately not indicators of a shot fighter. Being shot means there is no way you can ever recover what you lost. Punch resistance Reflexes Footspeed Handspeed Are good examples of this! All it shows is that you lack a grasp of perception when it comes to boxing.

Cotto probably is better trained then before and he clearly has some fights left in him but martinez was in worse condition then expected. He had barely no defense without his footwork and could not adjust the distance.