Calzaghe: "Froch has not matched my legacy and doesn't have ability to go to the US"

Froch has already fought in the US and won yea i nt know why joekeep saying that. Froch beat 2 potential hall of famers in Taylor and Glen johnson. And lost to Andre ward 115-113 in America Hardly a terrible record.

Froch has already fought in the US and won

He doesn't look very bitter..... He just thinks he's better than Froch. What else is he supposed to say exactly?

ive been backing joe, but he really does sound bitter. But tbf froch did slate him for a number of years...

It's the sniping at Froch's achievements that riles most fans. its true mate...

Everytime Calzaghe speaks of Froch, you can feel the bitterness and jealousy. I imagine this is how Calzaghe looks with every passing Froch victory that puts him further and further ahead of Calzaghe; http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/calzagherihanoffbig_450x300.jpg

Froch has a superior resume to Calzaghe.. It's not even close. I guess Calzaghe is feeling forgotten.. And such is his precious legacy..It's been what? 6 or 7 years? And no one gives a damn about the guy. Some legacy.

right. He brutally beat 2 legends in their prime on their own turf in Roy Jones Jr and B-Hop. . He brutally beat B HOP? Maybe you think he won but **** off with "Brutally beat" Absolute ****in drivel. Joe seems to be jealous of all the attention Froch is getting these day's. You should have fought him, then you would not be dealing with these comparison's now.

Right let's get things straight here. Back in 08 when Froch was talking trash trying to get the fight he wasn't well known at all in the US, even in the UK he was only someone the hardcore boxing fans knew of. Straight away it's not a fight that's going to capture the publics imaginations. Secondly back in 08 no one would have EVER predicted that Froch would have had the career he has done so far, and fair play to the guy for that, he's proved everyone wrong, including Calzaghe no doubt. In 08 Froch was a bit of a laughing stock, nobody really rated him, everyone was tipping him to get beat against the better guys and Calzaghe would have absolutely wiped the floor with Froch back then. You've got to look at this from Calzaghe's point of view for a minute, his last two fights he's fought Hopkins and RJJ in America and made huge money, why would he fight Froch who AT THE TIME was ridiculed by the boxing public for not being very good? Had Calzaghe knew the career Froch would go on to have he would've took that fight probably, but he didnt, nobody did. Froch has fought the better opposition, no doubt about it. But prime for prime Calzaghe would have beaten Froch by a very wide points margin.

good point exactly but if froch didnt fight groves peeps would have been like froch is ducking him, but calzaghe does that with froch and its all good It's the sniping at Froch's achievements that riles most fans.

Who cares about Punch output when youre not hitting anything. Im not even a Hopkins fan and I know he won that fight, and the fact he was about 44 years old makes it even worse. Who cares if the fight was in the U.S., over here we dont have that same bias europe and other countries have not saying we dont have out corruption as well, but most of comes from the promoters. Americans tend to not pick fighters based on where theyre from. Look at Mayweather vs Hatton, Broner vs Maidana, Pac vs Mosley etc… Historically Hopkins always came on the wrong side of a decision, and that crowd was pro Calzaghe. Hopkins veteran tactics and acting didnt help either. The man has one REAL win, and thats against Kessler, a fighter that wont be remembered 10 years from now. Lacy I give him credit for exposing, and thats it. The rest of the fighters on his resume were a joke, or a joke at the time he fought them. Joe was also notorious for ducking out of fights against serious competition, and decided to fight shot Roy, instead of Pavlik of Froch, two younger more live fighters. If he wanted the payday, then fine, but to retire on that fight, and to act like it was a legendary win is insane. Imagine what a 36 year old Hopkins would do to a 36 year old Calzaghe, or a 28 year old Roy Jones would do to a 28 year Calzaghe?

Loooooooooooooool. No.

Best part; all this posting in a thread where Calzaghe is impudently deriding the achievements of Carl Froch and we have people trying to argue that there's a loose connection. Why is a guy who is too good for somebody needing to publicly trash them? Oh, right.

Why would he? Why wouldn't he? Froch was calling him out. Incessantly. Froch was a worthy challenge. Clearly. For some people that's all the provocation needed. You're talking about money. Why didn't he rematch Hopkins then? That would have been a big money fight and Bernard was willing to do it in the UK. No need for excuses, bro. good point Froch was the mandatory to Calzaghe at the time. An undefeated and untested fighter who if you may recall was alot like Groves when he fought him. We all know how big that fight got don't we. A fight between Froch and Calzaghe would have been way bigger than any Taylor fight that's for damn sure. exactly but if froch didnt fight groves peeps would have been like froch is ducking him, but calzaghe does that with froch and its all good

Yes he was wrong but Calzaghe was 36 years old and had no time to play psychic and hope a win over Froch would grow in time, he didn't know that, you didn't know that, I didn't know that. He was thinking about big American names and big events, not fights against fighters with one good win on their resume and just over 20 pro fights. When you are on your way out, you fight other guys who are on their way out and together you bring big money to the table. And to the poster who said Calzaghe-Froch would have been bigger than Calzaghe-Taylor had Taylor beaten Froch, are you serious? Taylor was a household name on HBO and had way more name recognition than Froch. Now if we are talking about now in 2014, let's say Calzaghe could be 36 years old all over again in 2014, yes now as far back as after the Abraham win it would have been a very popular fight, that's what Calzaghe was looking for, popular names and Froch didn't have that, he looked like Joe's ex wife asking for a handout or looking for child support in 2008 with absolutely no worthy win at the time. What "worthy win" did Groves have to earn a shot with Froch? What "worthy win" did Calzaghe have to earn a shot with Eubank? What "worthy win" did Marciano have to earn a shot with "Louis?" (and the countless other examples I cannot list). That aside, try not to focus too heavily on how much you felt Froch was worth at the time. Focus on the fact that Calzaghe needed more credible achievements in the sport of boxing before pulling the escape hatch. Have you read my posts in this thread? Calzaghe didn't fight anybody at that point. He ducked out. And he still feels compelled to jack his jaw about fights he was - in his mind - overqualified for. Just what his legacy needs..

This is actually pretty sad. Joe and Enzo are doing their best to discredit Carl right now because they know that public opinion globally as well as in the UK is that Froch has surpassed Calzaghe in terms of legacy and fight record against in prime elite fighters of their relative eras. All i have to say is F*CK OFF JOE! You had your day as Britains best fighter but now its over. You should be supporting Carl as he represents the UK on the world stage but you all can do is try to drag him down? Go F*ck yourself you sour Welsh C*nt. I've always been a fan of your boxing ability but you have just proven that you are a basically an ignorant sheep shagging bell end from the valleys of Wales who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

Yes, I recall. Joe thought Froch was a horrible fighter and had no business in the ring with him. As it turns out he was wrong. Froch knew what he was going to do with his career and to be explicitly honest I had higher expectations for him than most and envisaged him at the time to giving Calzaghe a good stiff challenge. This is the reason I'm commenting to begin with incidentally. Joe needed more solid wins on his resume before he retired. Would fighting Dawson, "the guy" at the time have been better than Froch? Yes, then. No, now. We have to make decisions in life all the time that involve guess work and projecting an accurate picture of how the future might turn out. Joe lost out there. He had a chance to fight this guy. Instead he wants to talk sh*t and we're supposed to respect that? He shouldn't speak. Then nobody would have anything to say. Yes he was wrong but Calzaghe was 36 years old and had no time to play psychic and hope a win over Froch would grow in time, he didn't know that, you didn't know that, I didn't know that. He was thinking about big American names and big events, not fights against fighters with one good win on their resume and just over 20 pro fights. When you are on your way out, you fight other guys who are on their way out and together you bring big money to the table. And to the poster who said Calzaghe-Froch would have been bigger than Calzaghe-Taylor had Taylor beaten Froch, are you serious? Taylor was a household name on HBO and had way more name recognition than Froch. Now if we are talking about now in 2014, let's say Calzaghe could be 36 years old all over again in 2014, yes now as far back as after the Abraham win it would have been a very popular fight, that's what Calzaghe was looking for, popular names and Froch didn't have that, he looked like Joe's ex wife asking for a handout or looking for child support in 2008 with absolutely no worthy win at the time.

Calzaghe didn't conquer Amreeka at all. He only finished his last two fights by losing to a fading legend and beating a washed up legend. Froch is restoring the reputation of Europe, which Calzaghe had damaged so much by being such a p*ssy. http://www.imcharmingyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/truth.gif

As I've stated in an earlier post, Joe comes across as a very envious and bitter old man. I wonder why he feels so insecure about his own legacy and career achievements in the ring to the point of denigrating Carl Froch's career achievements? Furthermore, Calzaghe had his time to shine. Now it's Froch's time to shine. It must really burns him that he didn't take on the stiffest challenges in his career and now history is judging him because of it. However, make no mistake about it, he is yet one of the best P4P Super middleweights the sport has ever produced but next to Carl Froch he doesn't come close.