Roach would like the Canelo fight for Pac at a catchweight of 150

Still not signed yet, just a statement from roach and floydiots cruisin over here. At least pac would let canelo use any glove he wants. Lol Unlike floyd who demands a 18-1 underdog to wear pillows.

Marquez 143, etc. etc. Catchweight King Manny held the WW title and came all the way down to 143 yet you cry like a baby ...... take this! :bottle:

Fight night weight is their true fighting weight. It's the weight they actually step in the ring and fight at. Unless both HBO's and Showtimes scales are both broke Mayweather weighs the same as Pacquiao. Yes and no. If you get a guy that weighed in at 130 and come fight night hits the 140s, its not the same as a WW who doesn't gain any weight come fight night and is also in the 140s. Secondly, it's UNOFFICIAL. Floyd looked bigger than what they stated as his fight night weight. Heck, when he fought Mosley, many here said that he looked as big if not bigger than Mosley. Again, it's unofficial so some weigh in with clothes on, jewelery, .... whatever, it's unofficial. So you never know.

After a 2 year layoff with a broken rib. It was a rib injury but not broken rib. The fight was postponed to a later date (3 months after the injury). Also, Floyd appears to be more "grown in" now than then.

When Pac was fighting Morales at 130 lbs, he came fight night at 143 lbs while his opponent at 136 lbs. (or was that Marquez?) but Manny came in at 130. A guy can come in on fight night at whatever weight but it doesn't mean that they can fight at that weight as effectively against the naturally bigger opponents. For Manny, even 147 is not his best weight. If the money fights were at 140, he would be fighting at 140.

Top rank is nothing but a circus act. Bob is a dictator.Freddie is a joke coach. He should be a condition coach, his strategy teaching is non existent. Very basic. Manny is a hype machine. He does nothing but fight beaten tailor made fighters coming off losses or bad performances. Then they glorify him. Floyd is a little guy just like pac. Mayweather fight guys at thier best. Mandana 165, cotto 165 Delahoya 175 Canelo 168 Mandanas clear cheating tactics and huge weight advantage on top of his rough housing still was not enough to beat the great floyd.Psst, he wasn't suppose to even come close to beating him, you're bragging about a victory over a 7-1 underdog, lmao. When PBF gathers some cojones and fights a top 5 LB per LB then you can talk.

nothing wrong with that, but dont go accusing him first before hand. i think u're missing that point im trying to make, u keep repeating the same stuff but u failed to take into account that each time floyd dish out an offer he also trash pac first for it. and like i said notice how floyd only does this to pac. for example, after pac got ko and the tax problem came about, what did floyd do? went and post shiiet on his twitter saying the dog is desperate now for anything, etc. then goes and say manny will have to rematch marquez and bradley first. see what i mean? why does floyd only treats manny like this? Yes I am missing the point. When did Floyd trash him right before the he offered him the 40 million? He "only does it with Pac", probably because Floyd has never been in a situation like this before. When has he negotiated with someone more than once and had people talking about a fight between him and another fighter for years? NEVER! You are acting like Pac/Arum/Roach aren't always mentioning Floyds name right before a big fight.They aren't complimenting him when they are talking abotu him. Pac was the only one to comparable to Floyds drawing power(at one time), he is the only one that had a huge negotiation with Floyd and walk away, the only one to continually say and act like Floyd is holding up the fight and he is afraid of Pac. Maybe that is why Floyd acts that way towards him. Floyd was the only one that Pac asked for a 10 million per lb weight penalty as well, so I really don't get the point.

half of the reasons why pac gets paid the amount he gets is because he's with arum. if he leaves arum and still want to continue to work with arum, pac is not gonna see the same gurantee purse he was getting when he was with arum. so think about that LOL!! This is nonsense. If Pac wanted to explore his options, why on earth would Bob NOT take him back at the same rate or even more, when Pac is still his best earner? Pac has the leverage, not Arum. This is just not how business works. Why is it that Cotto is not resigned to Cotto? Do u think he wouldn't resign and make LESS money? Doesn't make any sense!

How about it's called "I think he is using PED's and I'm not getting in the ring with someone I think is dirty"!!?? What the hell are u talking about....MANY MANY MANY boxers have discredited their opponents before negotiations. Hagler said all kinds of bad things about Leonard....did that stop Leonoard from fighting him. What boxer do u know would ever say "I won't fight someone because he said bad things about me?" I'm sure many more would say "I won't fight him because I think he is taking PED's" By the way, I don't care why people don't like Floyd. What I care about that we can have fair and honest debates, not rantings of a bunch of fanboys! What does or not liking someone have to do with being honest or not being hypocrites? nothing wrong with that, but dont go accusing him first before hand. i think u're missing that point im trying to make, u keep repeating the same stuff but u failed to take into account that each time floyd dish out an offer he also trash pac first for it. and like i said notice how floyd only does this to pac. for example, after pac got ko and the tax problem came about, what did floyd do? went and post shiiet on his twitter saying the dog is desperate now for anything, etc. then goes and say manny will have to rematch marquez and bradley first. see what i mean? why does floyd only treats manny like this?

so floyd also turn down his highest pay day over random testing LOL, ur point? and its called principles, u dont go and discredit ur opponents, etc. before hand, notice how floyd only does this to manny. atleast i gave u multiple reasons as to why i think people dislike floyd, i asked u the same and have yet to get an answer from u LOL! How about it's called "I think he is using PED's and I'm not getting in the ring with someone I think is dirty"!!?? What the hell are u talking about....MANY MANY MANY boxers have discredited their opponents before negotiations. Hagler said all kinds of bad things about Leonard....did that stop Leonoard from fighting him. What boxer do u know would ever say "I won't fight someone because he said bad things about me?" I'm sure many more would say "I won't fight him because I think he is taking PED's" By the way, I don't care why people don't like Floyd. What I care about that we can have fair and honest debates, not rantings of a bunch of fanboys! What does or not liking someone have to do with being honest or not being hypocrites?

half of the reasons why pac gets paid the amount he gets is because he's with arum. if he leaves arum and still want to continue to work with arum, pac is not gonna see the same gurantee purse he was getting when he was with arum. so think about that LOL!!

I guess I have to say things slowly and specifically here. ON the very first negotiations, they both wanted the fight....THERE HAPPY? Since then, neither fighter has been in a hurry to make the fight. Floyd did however make the call for which Pac did not make any effort to negotiate. Again, I might feel "offended", but if u are a fighter and a warrior, then u solve it in the ring. This is supposed to be the hurt game, is it not? It's puzzling that u would actually come up with that as a reason..its just silly. Not to mention, as I said before, PAC to this day has never said that had anything to do with it, so why are YOU making up the excuse for him? How do u call him out when u there co-signing his "no testing the day of the fight" excuse(that didn't come from arum), yet he turned down Floyd's suggested 14 day cutoff? Its been a long time, but if you'd like I can go research and find Pac's excuses. If u were being fair and partial tho, you would've called him out on them a long time ago like Floyd, no?? Arum wouldn't need to "let him" do anything. What other alternative would he have? He can't make him sign a contract, AND he wants him to come back. Isn't that exactly what Cotto did(without signing another contract in the end)? If you were SO concerned about Pac feeding his family, then you should know that, that would've been his best bet. Really? Honestly brah, this is what pisses me off. You seem like a smart guy, but I have to say that you are either very ignorant about business or being willfully ignorant. If I was at that company under contract and I was the cause of 50% or more of the revenue for that company, then at the end of the contract, I didn't resign and explored other options, people would call it smart. If I didn't do this, people would call me an idiot! If I then didn't like those options and wanted to go back, those options would only make my bargaining position stronger AND my previous company would be more than happy renegotiate and resign me. If u don't know this, then I don't know what to say. Pac would need to be gone for at few weeks to a few months to explore his options? Really? As far as I know, he doesn't fight for a paycheck every few weeks to months, so he wouldn't lose a dime. TERRIBLE comparison! I answered that and said "I dont know". If Arum didn't want the fight and advised Pac not to accept, then how do we know we would've seen the fight? Not to mention, Pac demanded the testing of Rios, so how would we know? Like I said, all the excuses he had before that were proven to be a lie. Let me ask, If Pac had accepted the drug testing, we would've seen the fight already, correct? floyd made pac a $40mil flat fee offer, we both know the fight will do way more than that. arum also counter floyd's offer by saying he'll pay floyd $50mil flat fee, floyd said fack no, so why is it wrong when manny does the same? and about pac signing the extension, like i said it was a decision he felt was best for him and his family, why try to disagree with this? we know how arum is, u even admit how evil of a peron arum is and half the blame of the fight not happening comes from him and u're gonna sit there and believe that arum will just let pac walk out to go explore whats out there for him and then he can come back if theres nothing? LOL! sure, manny can prolly resign with bob again if theres nothing for him but dont expect to see $20+mil for a fight again. if pac walked out to go explore his options, how is he not gonna lose a dime? if he walked out and chooses not to resign to go explore whats out there, when he comes running back do u think bob's offer to manny will stay the same? LMAO! and its easy for u to sit there and say u would have gone and explore to see whats out there, because ur not in their position so its easy to say whatever u want. but when u're looking at $20+mil per fight if u sign the extension or walk out and explore its a pretty risky thing to do. but like i said since ur not looking at $20+mil of course ur gonna say u would have gone and explore whats out there.

i like how now u said u believe pac and floyd wanted the fight but it was arum getting in the way when earlier u just said it was pac preventing the fight from happening then u list all the reasons only for me to correct u and said it was arum who said those things LOL!! and ur here talking about im not consistent? LOL!! like i said theres nothing wrong requesting for extra test, but when that person goes and diss and accuse and discredit the other person BEFORE even negotiating first then i would assume that person has every right to feel offended, wouldnt u? I guess I have to say things slowly and specifically here. ON the very first negotiations, they both wanted the fight....THERE HAPPY? Since then, neither fighter has been in a hurry to make the fight. Floyd did however make the call for which Pac did not make any effort to negotiate. Again, I might feel "offended", but if u are a fighter and a warrior, then u solve it in the ring. This is supposed to be the hurt game, is it not? It's puzzling that u would actually come up with that as a reason..its just silly. Not to mention, as I said before, PAC to this day has never said that had anything to do with it, so why are YOU making up the excuse for him? and yes i'll call pac out on his excuses but what are they? u posted a few excuses and i already told u that came from arum. so i cant call pac out on something i dont know about. please do share what pac's many excuses were? and no im not talking about bob or roach's excuses. and about the contract part, do u think bob will just let pac get up and "explore" his interest first elsewhere and then come back if theres nothing out there for him? LOL! if u've been at ur work place for over 10+ years with a good salary are u just gonna risk it by leaving to see whats out there when u have a faimly to feed and bills to pay? i think not. How do u call him out when u there co-signing his "no testing the day of the fight" excuse(that didn't come from arum), yet he turned down Floyd's suggested 14 day cutoff? Its been a long time, but if you'd like I can go research and find Pac's excuses. If u were being fair and partial tho, you would've called him out on them a long time ago like Floyd, no?? Arum wouldn't need to "let him" do anything. What other alternative would he have? He can't make him sign a contract, AND he wants him to come back. Isn't that exactly what Cotto did(without signing another contract in the end)? If you were SO concerned about Pac feeding his family, then you should know that, that would've been his best bet. Really? Honestly brah, this is what pisses me off. You seem like a smart guy, but I have to say that you are either very ignorant about business or being willfully ignorant. If I was at that company under contract and I was the cause of 50% or more of the revenue for that company, then at the end of the contract, I didn't resign and explored other options, people would call it smart. If I didn't do this, people would call me an idiot! If I then didn't like those options and wanted to go back, those options would only make my bargaining position stronger AND my previous company would be more than happy renegotiate and resign me. If u don't know this, then I don't know what to say. Pac would need to be gone for at few weeks to a few months to explore his options? Really? As far as I know, he doesn't fight for a paycheck every few weeks to months, so he wouldn't lose a dime. TERRIBLE comparison! and for ur last post about not calling pac a coward, etc., which brings me back to the very beginning, had floyd not asked for random testing we would have seen the fight already correct? so when people choose who to blame, who do u think they'll pick? this is why u dont see much comments about pac being a coward, etc. I answered that and said "I dont know". If Arum didn't want the fight and advised Pac not to accept, then how do we know we would've seen the fight? Not to mention, Pac demanded the testing of Rios, so how would we know? Like I said, all the excuses he had before that were proven to be a lie. Let me ask, If Pac had accepted the drug testing, we would've seen the fight already, correct?

He couldn't handle 153lbs so how does he make 150?? Why not tie his shoe laces together and have a 6ft. rope around his waist that's tied to a corner post! Throw lime in his eyes at the beginning of each round, and use lemon juice as a mouth rinse? Let this young man grow up, I'd like to see him fighting at 28 yrs. old and hopefully he improves a lot by then. Ray.

Then that means YOU are the only other person that would've done it, cuz every other person on earth who has sense would've taken the 75+ million dollars. By the way, since when do boxers act that way? I though warriors settled things in the ring? I don't get why u make such a big deal out of Floyd "saying bad things" to Pac. What are they...six? Really? You're comparing stealing millions from someone to someone saying a few bad things about you? LOL!..I'm not sure why they don't like him...but u seem to know it for sure since u keep telling me why they don't. Unfortunately they don't dislike Pac for many of the same things! so floyd also turn down his highest pay day over random testing LOL, ur point? and its called principles, u dont go and discredit ur opponents, etc. before hand, notice how floyd only does this to manny. atleast i gave u multiple reasons as to why i think people dislike floyd, i asked u the same and have yet to get an answer from u LOL!

No he's a dumb@ss because Bob is making money off of him, If he would learn from previous stablemates Cotto, Khan all have their own promotions. Even Canelo who's only 23 has had his own promotions, De la Hoya and Mayweather are some of the best examples breaking away from TR! See what I did there! so manny is fighting for free? because last time i checked manny's last purse was a gaurantee of 20+mil. has canelo, cotto or even khan earn anything close to that? LOL!!

So to summarize these 16 pages...fighting a guy at 152 makes you a fraud coward, but fighting the same guy at 150 makes you a brave undaunting warrior. Thanks NSB, never change. :lol1: :lol1:

because u said f@ck manny, f@ck giving him the advantages. then u said if manny was smart he wouldnt have sign the extension with TR. maybe manny IS SMART thats why he's sticking with bob and TR because he gets the advantages he wants being with bob! see what i did there LOL!! No he's a dumb@ss because Bob is making money off of him, If he would learn from previous stablemates Cotto, Khan all have their own promotions. Even Canelo who's only 23 has had his own promotions, De la Hoya and Mayweather are some of the best examples breaking away from TR! See what I did there!

So to summarize these 16 pages...fighting a guy at 152 makes you a fraud coward, but fighting the same guy at 150 makes you a brave undaunting warrior. Thanks NSB, never change.

How's that?? because u said f@ck manny, f@ck giving him the advantages. then u said if manny was smart he wouldnt have sign the extension with TR. maybe manny IS SMART thats why he's sticking with bob and TR because he gets the advantages he wants being with bob! see what i did there LOL!!