Why do people say Roy jones ruined his legacy by fighting to long and losing?

Most great fighters fight on too long. Roy is nothing new in this regard.

Yeah, I knew this would come out, lmao. How is Antonio Margarito doing these days lol...? You Ms. Cleo now? Why are you asking me about Margarito for? I'm pretty sure you know he's retired chilling in Mexico.

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He went 16 years straight, from 1988 to 2004, virtually undefeated except for a DQ 49-0 before legit losing. Some fighters come back to win big after their losses mainly because they are still prime and they can physically still do so. Roy was 35, and 50 fights deep into a career after an extensive amateur career, and dropping two weight classes... That was the end of superman, and that's quite ok. His gut out performance where he won on nothing but grit and heart was Tarver I... after that 2 KOs and a physically worn down body at 35 is about all he had to give as far as competing at the top level. People are so quick to forget that Roy did things in the ring nobody before or since could ever do. It was unfair to think it would last forever seeing as how it was based mostly on athletic prowess, timing, reflexes and speed. Those are all things which are more prevelant to a younger athlete. Simple as that.

Seriously, stop man. Bury your head in the sand if it makes you feel better.

It doesn't matter, they cameback from losses and had more noteworthy fights than did Roy, the Tarver ko loss is a career highlight and what will be most remembered. I bet most people don't realize there was a fight before that between the two which Roy in my estimation clearly won no debate about it competitive but a clear win for Roy. That loss was nowhere near Roy's most memorable moment. Winning the heavyweight title after starting his career as a jr. middleweight was. Jones was past it in the first Tarver fight and anybody who knows even the basics about boxing could tell the difference between the real prime Roy Jones and the one that sat on the ropes and let Tarver tee off on his arms.

Sugar Ray Robinson who most call the GOAT lost 19 times most of those losses coming after his prime.....Joe Louis mostly labeled a top 10 ATG had most of his losses past prime..so why does it hurt Modern fighters?? SRR and Jake Lamotta ( jake unfortunately threw some of these losses) lost ALOT after their primes. A fighter a lot of the times doesn't know when to stop. Their ego's usually won't let em stop till its too late. RJJ isn't immune to this.

I'm Roy's absolute biggest fan and will say, much to my disgust that Roy has put a major dent in his legacy. AT the time he beat John Ruiz, many were predicting that he would go down as one if the top ten best fighter who ever lived and now nobody even hardly recognizes what he was able to do historically. It's a sad , sad thing and I hate it but Roy has harmed his legacy but not ruined it altogether.

Yeah, and when you said Angulo would ko Kirkland, we all laughed. #Clown You got me confused with someone else I never said Angulo would ko Kirkland . I never really thought Angulo was that good

you don't need to do either unless it pertains to you. cretan= Someone who is an idiot and lacks gravitas. First you misspelled it in the plural ("cretants" instead of cretins), now you're misspelling it in the singular ("cretan" instead of cretine) - Congratulations on further embarrassing yourself.

Sugar Ray Robinson who most call the GOAT lost 19 times most of those losses coming after his prime.....Joe Louis mostly labeled a top 10 ATG had most of his losses past prime..so why does it hurt Modern fighters?? First off, it hurt all the greats legacies by fighting on and losing to guys they never would. It always hurts a fighters image when they get beaten by younger guys as old men. Because it's awful watching fighters that were once great getting beaten and looking shot. However, it doesn't hurt their legacies the way you think of it. It's hurts the greatness of their prime because people remember them as old men too. But it never stops what they did do in their prime. It's funny actually, but I often hear you criticise Roberto Duran for supposedly losing to the best he faced, which is not only untrue, but you are doing there exactly what you are questioning other people doing here with Jones. What gives Larry? Duran was old, slow, fat and clearly well past his prime when he had most of his fights with Hagler, Hearns etc. The only time he was still in his prime was the first and second Leonard fights, and people had already been talking of his physical decline and lack of training then. But you question his legacy based on stuff that happened when he should have been retired or not fighting at such high weights as a fat, undisciplined fighter past his prime. It's the same thing here. Only fools with some silly bias or agenda to push talk about Jones ruining his legacy and not being as great for fighting past his prime. It doesn't change what they achieved when at their best, and stuff they did while well past their prime can help, if they turn back the clock and have some magnificent wins, but overall, people can see that's not the real version of the fighter.

It's stupid to say that. A fighter's legacy shouldn't be judged by his lowest moments, but his greatest a lot of fighters actually get better with time too, so by that logic we shouldn't think much of their accomplishments when they reach that peak because earlier they weren't as good? Makes no sense

Let's look at Roy's first 2 knockout losses: Tarver & G. Johnson in '04 correct? How old was Roy? Was he shot or something? At 34-35? That's young in LHW. And considering the limited punishment suffered prior to those losses you have to question his chin...while still a relatively young man. I grew up watching him & never liked his ****iness. But I realize his power & reflexes were freakish. His fundamentals were not. His game never really evolved but he was pretty good. Ward beats him in their primesRoy was 35 and had been fighting for 15 years. But you're an alt. Probably someone whose regular screen name was dismissed into this alt.

yes he can be blamed, from 93-96 he could have fought any of Benn, Eubank or Collins. He didn't even fight one. When he fought Hill, he should have fought Dariusz, who had just beaten him for 3 straps at 175lb, instead he fights the loser of the fight and refuses to travel cos apparently he's traumatised by the olympics. he was in his late 20s by now but sounded like a 10 year old. Calzaghe was pretty green pre-200 but by 2001/02, the fight could have been made but again RJJ refused to travel, although Calzaghe said once he was willing to move up in weight. Both let that fight slips. I've just named 5 potential opponents from 168-175, he only faced one and thats when he was desperate for money and one last shot at fame.You should be arrested for being a troll.

Let's look at Roy's first 2 knockout losses: Tarver & G. Johnson in '04 correct? How old was Roy? Was he shot or something? At 34-35? That's young in LHW. And considering the limited punishment suffered prior to those losses you have to question his chin...while still a relatively young man. I grew up watching him & never liked his ****iness. But I realize his power & reflexes were freakish. His fundamentals were not. His game never really evolved but he was pretty good. Ward beats him in their primes

Joe Louis avenged his knockout loss to Schmeling, also after his loss to Charles he retired. He only came back to the ring because he needed the money (he owed the government money).. and thankfully he retired after that brutal KO by Marciano. Jones went and got himself KO'd by who? Danny Green and Denis Lebedev.

can RJJ really be fully blamed for the lack of top level opposition? you had Michalczewski, Calzaghe, Ottke and Hopkins all reach 20 title defenses and the 3 Europeans fought nearly exclusively in their home countries there wasn't a wealth of talent at that time in the light heavy weight range in retrospect, John Ruiz was a formidable heavyweight from 2000-04. He had some quality wins and there was a reason he was avoided Jones never should have gone back to LHW, it aged him years overnight imo the biggest knock on his legacy is that he showed no ability to adapt to a diminished physical skill set yes he can be blamed, from 93-96 he could have fought any of Benn, Eubank or Collins. He didn't even fight one. When he fought Hill, he should have fought Dariusz, who had just beaten him for 3 straps at 175lb, instead he fights the loser of the fight and refuses to travel cos apparently he's traumatised by the olympics. he was in his late 20s by now but sounded like a 10 year old. Calzaghe was pretty green pre-200 but by 2001/02, the fight could have been made but again RJJ refused to travel, although Calzaghe said once he was willing to move up in weight. Both let that fight slips. I've just named 5 potential opponents from 168-175, he only faced one and thats when he was desperate for money and one last shot at fame.

My admiration for Roy??? :rofl: So you grabbed a Roy Jones quote and ran with it. Roy lost at age 35 and this is after coming down from hvw. Now you can come up with any scenario that fits your agenda but the facts are the facts. Roy's legacy is intact. People will remember the real Roy. As far as Floyd... when it happens, we will have this talk. We remember Ali, but we don't talk about missing him in every sentence. I will remember Roy as a great fighter who stuck around way too long and started getting ktfo. A lot. That will be his legacy...another fighter great in his prime that didn't know when to hang em up. Happens to many fighters. Roy is one of them. That's his legacy.

Sugar Ray Robinson who most call the GOAT lost 19 times most of those losses coming after his prime.....Joe Louis mostly labeled a top 10 ATG had most of his losses past prime..so why does it hurt Modern fighters?? Don't ask stupid fvcking questions Larry. Your stupidity does boggle my mind though so thanks for that.

It's not who you lose to, it's who you beat Exactly. Roger Federer won't be remembered for the grand slams he didn't win.